H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 I would not want a steady diet of stages like this, but I think it might be fun for it to be one stage on one shoot each year. At the beep, shooter picks up rifle at position 1 and fires 10 rounds at the ridiculously huge dump target. Move to position two, and fire 10 rounds from pistols at ridiculously huge dump target. All shooters, regardless of what category they are shooting in, may shoot this stage gunfighter IF they so desire. Move to position 3. Fire 5 shotgun rounds at ridiculously huge dump target. Repeating shotguns may be stoked on the clock. Double shooters may fire both barrels at once if they so desire. In other words, a very simple stage that is all but impossible to get a miss or a P to allow even the slowest shooters to try and speed things up to see how well they can do. Shot for "pure fun."
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 IMO, boring. Just another 'spray-n-pray' stage. OLG
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 Such a dump stage can be fun once in a while, if you don't have similar stages often. Of course, what you will find is many will end up jacking our rounds from their rifle.
Nutmeg Ryder, SASS # 74966 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, Marauder SASS #13056 said: Such a dump stage can be fun once in a while, if you don't have similar stages often. Of course, what you will find is many will end up jacking our rounds from their rifle. And Short stroking their revolvers. Or both, or even all three.
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 I can see lots of folks overthinking this one. Imiis
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted December 5, 2018 Author Posted December 5, 2018 Like I said, not more than once a year. More than that would get very boring. Personally, I think it would be fun to try just to see if I can speed up a little. But do folks really think that people could mess it up?
Tyrel Cody Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Like I said, not more than once a year. More than that would get very boring. Personally, I think it would be fun to try just to see if I can speed up a little. But do folks really think that people could mess it up? No doubt, but it would be fun occasionally. Follow that stage up with a stage of small targets at maximum recommend distances.
Major BS Walker Regulator Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 Sunday we shot a stage with five rifle targets. The instructions said with rifle shoot one or more rifle targets with ten rounds.
Boomstick Bruce Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 I'm supposed to write a stage or two this year. I think this would be fun!!! Maybe do a whole match like this. Everything on one target, shooters choice. Or maybe each shooter draws a number from a hat and that determines which target you have to shoot... Could be interesting!
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 H.K., I like it, but like you said, just a very occasional thing at most. I've shot a similar one here years ago. In the early 2000's at a Tejas Caballeros match, Ricky Shay Scout (alias is now 3 Lefts - he says 2 wrongs don't make a right but 3 lefts always makes a right ) wrote the stage, but he says he got it from an annual match he had recently attended. All guns were staged on a table. The target was a very large piece of cardboard (no bounceback probs) about 2 yards away. At the beep, empty all your guns as fast as possible. Misses are not counted and holes are not taped up, but the shooter is expected to make an attempt to put all shots through the frame. The cardboard has huge gaping holes after a while. And yeah, a lot of people had issues trying to run their guns too fast. So, a year or so later I modified the stage slightly for the Travis County Regulators by adding a story. The huge cardboard target was painted as if it was a door. You were Blondie in Good,Bad,Ugly, sitting in the hotel room cleaning your guns when you hear spurs outside, so you shoot all the bad guys through the door. Besides running one's guns too fast, squibs could be a problem when going that fast, but a lot of the top shooters shoot nearly that fast a lot of the time, anyway. Though back in the day when we shot those dump stages, targets were further and even the fast guys were slower. The average shooter never had a chance to shoot his guns as fast as he could. This could also be a side match.
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Boomstick Bruce said: I'm supposed to write a stage or two this year. I think this would be fun!!! Maybe do a whole match like this. Everything on one target, shooters choice. Or maybe each shooter draws a number from a hat and that determines which target you have to shoot... Could be interesting! Bruce, drawing cards to see which suit you shot first with card-suit-shaped targets used to be common. But you will find that a lot of shooters do not like anything random that causes shooters to have to shoot a stage a different way from others. Giving them a choice is ok, though, as long as they all have the same choices.
Hoss Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 Trailhead annual match has a 4x8 plate pretty close. Dump 10-10-4 on it. Yes there are jacked out rounds, Ruger-go-rounds, and yes MISSES! It’s fun, and fastest time wins an award.
Warden Callaway Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 7 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: But you will find that a lot of shooters do not like anything random that causes shooters to have to shoot a stage a different way from others. John Bear wrote our stages in 2018 and has very few stages that are rigid. Most all the stages offer some choice of order of shotgun, handgun and rifle. Some offer a choice of target shooting order or direction. Some of the more advanced shooters figure out how they are going to shoot the stage - others just hide and watch and pick one way they thought looked the best for them to mimic. He's included loading on the clock and bonus targets at times. I think his stages have went over well at our local matches. I think they are far more interesting than 10-10-4 with a couple of sweeps.
Cowboy Junky Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 As a stage writer I always feel like I cheated the shooter's doing that. I'm NOT saying that you are but just that I feel that way. I haven't done it in the 10 years our club has been active because I can never get past that feeling.
Null N. Void Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 I like one stage every now and then that's a fast, dump stage. It's harder than it looks because you tend to want to go faster than your practice and normal match speeds. Jacking a rifle round out is always a possibility for me trying to go fast, even though I'm telling myself, lever, trigger and repeat. It easily ends up lever, lever and away we go with rifle reloads.
Rye Miles #13621 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 The saying goes, "There's not a target so big or so close that you can't miss"
Hollifer A. Dollar Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 12 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: I would not want a steady diet of stages like this, but I think it might be fun for it to be one stage on one shoot each year. At the beep, shooter picks up rifle at position 1 and fires 10 rounds at the ridiculously huge dump target. Move to position two, and fire 10 rounds from pistols at ridiculously huge dump target. All shooters, regardless of what category they are shooting in, may shoot this stage gunfighter IF they so desire. Move to position 3. Fire 5 shotgun rounds at ridiculously huge dump target. Repeating shotguns may be stoked on the clock. Double shooters may fire both barrels at once if they so desire. In other words, a very simple stage that is all but impossible to get a miss or a P to allow even the slowest shooters to try and speed things up to see how well they can do. Shot for "pure fun." We did a stage like this at our November match but with a little twist. We called it the "Desperado Dale Sweep" since misses didn't count. The stage before was 24 knockdowns, that's why there are so many targets shown on the stage plan. Everyone enjoyed it, but like you said, once a year is enough. & yes, a couple of shooters did jack out rounds. Holler
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 11 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Like I said, not more than once a year. More than that would get very boring. Personally, I think it would be fun to try just to see if I can speed up a little. But do folks really think that people could mess it up? I've used similar setups and yes, shooters do mess it up. Like others said, they will jack rounds out of their rifles and miss a lot. However, those who botched the stage blamed themselves and not the stage writer.
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 Hate it... Would rather just grab 24 round and throw them down range. Fricken boring. Phantom
High Spade Mikey Wilson Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 We shoot this one target speed stage at our club every couple of years. It's not all that easy. Like was said previously I've seen pards trying to go so fast that they eject live rounds from the rifle, and skip a round in the pistol having to cycle the cylinder around again.
Grizzly Dave Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 Once in a blue moon? I'd shoot it. Probably more fun for the middle of the pack and lower shooters as it would give them the chance to run as fast as they could. Probably less fun for the faster shooters as they already run fast and the ever so slight speed increase for the dump wouldn't amount to much. It would be dang near impossible to get a P on such a stage, but I do see some misses, jacked out rounds and ruger go rounds happening.
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 The Dump Targets better be 6 foot square at less than 10 yards ,,,, Or won't have a hope of hitting them through the Smoke... Almost 1,000 grains of Goex 3F to run this stage, Seven stages to the pound.... And that is assuming I use my .44 spls. and .38-40 .... Using my .45s ,,,,,,,,,,,,, 1,094 grains..... Jabez Cowboy
Snakebite Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 Can you make up misses by shooting the Dump target?
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted December 5, 2018 Author Posted December 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Snakebite said: Can you make up misses by shooting the Dump target? Uhm....
Yusta B. Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 On 12/4/2018 at 7:57 PM, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: . But do folks really think that people could mess it up? Apparently you have never watched the GIANT Buffalo stage at Bar 3.
evil dogooder Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 There is a local club that has something similar and uses it quite frequently.
Eyesa Horg Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 I had the opportunity this summer to shoot a very similar stage. It's pretty easy, but found it makes ya a bit nervous. Very embarrassing to miss a huge target so close! I was clean thank goodness! Wouldn't want one all the time, but as Nutmeg and Marauder stated above---funny things happen when it looks too easy.
mean gun mark Posted December 7, 2018 Posted December 7, 2018 At our Ohio state ,at home we have an annual “gamer” stage, six of our biggest targets 18x24” 3 each pistol and rifle about 6 yards for pistol and rifle about 12, 2 sg targets with a spread of about 10 feet. Stand and deliver, guns any order, don’t end with rifle, pistols staged or holstered or in hand or hands. Long gun in hand or staged, sg shells may be in hand, not touching gun........ atb- pistol- two separate 2-1-2 sweeps from either direction, rifle-same instructions as pistol.sg 2+ till down. It has been a blast watching shooters “ burn it down” over the years.......have been keeping an unofficial record which is still held by Missouri lefty with an 8:10:,,,,,, I think the Facebook video had about 1.4 million views. I don’t want a whole match of these stages but that one outta 12 has been a lot of fun.
Too Tall Bob Posted December 7, 2018 Posted December 7, 2018 We put one tgt for rifle and one for revolvers at appropriate distances one time. (Big tgts). The instructions were to shoot each in a continuous sweep. You can’t imagine the number of perplexed looks!
Silver Rings SASS # 27466 Posted December 7, 2018 Posted December 7, 2018 I like it, will try to remember to use it next year. SR
Hairtrigger Hayes Posted December 7, 2018 Posted December 7, 2018 On 12/4/2018 at 10:00 PM, Boomstick Bruce said: I'm supposed to write a stage or two this year. I think this would be fun!!! Maybe do a whole match like this. Everything on one target, shooters choice. Or maybe each shooter draws a number from a hat and that determines which target you have to shoot... Could be interesting! We used to do this every so often and call it the "how fast are you" stage. Was a real hoot. To really speed things up drop back to just 2 shotgun and make it a stand and deliver. Especially fun in the hot Texas summer when you're trying to get through a match quickly. You'll be surprised how many people will blow up!
owen judice Posted December 8, 2018 Posted December 8, 2018 Hairtrigger is right. I wrote a story line that said you are sitting around the campfire, saloon or ranch bragging about how fast you are with your guns and someones says "Well how fast is fast". Pretty fun once a year and you can go back a compare year to year.
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted December 8, 2018 Posted December 8, 2018 GuSo you go to shoot a 6 stage match... Time and money... And ya got waste one of the stages to see if your time has changed from last year? Better hope that all the other variables are constant
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted December 9, 2018 Posted December 9, 2018 If I were to encounter a 10 round dump in a match, I personally would prefer to shoot it at double the normal distance than up close.
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