H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619

I'm not sure I understand that. If the loads are shorter than SAMMI, they would still chamber. I know for a fact that Remington factory ammo chambers just fine, and they are to exact SAMMI specs, not shorter. It's only if they are longer that you'd have a theoretical problem, and even then, maybe not. Both of my Lightnings have bored through chambers with no shoulder, even .38 Specials will fit. And, how can a revolver stovepipe? I am confused.

Looks like a solution in search of a problem. Based on the video and description, I would not buy one. Too bad, in my opinion, as Uberti guns before this were, in my experience, pretty good. That weird block in the safety notch didn't screw up the gun's functionality, and I suppose if you really hated it, it would be easy enough to get rid of with a new hammer. But this...

Could someone post a pic of these three click retractable firing pin Uberti pistols, both cocked and not? I'd like to see what they look like, as I have never yet seen one.

Plus one for the Lee dies. When was your revolver made? Originally the gun had a bore diameter of .375" for use with the original heeled bullet. Eventually, when the cartridge changed to the inside the case bullet, the bore diameter was reduced to .357". I know this for a fact because I have two of them, one is an older one with the larger bore made in the 1880s and the other is a "newer" one made in 190something. Personally, I use a .358" round nose hollow base bullet weighing 150 grains. The hollow base expands to get the rifling in the older large bores, and fits properly in the newer small ones. If you've got a newer one, any .358" bullet will do, but go with pure lead due to the age of the gun. The only place I know of selling this bullet is Buffalo arms, and they ain't cheap. But, given how these are for me only very occasional shooters, I find the bullet to be worth the effort and price. I wish I could find someone else who sold them for a more reasonable cost, but it does not seem to be an option. Also, the Lightning, unlike the Peacemaker, was NEVER okayed for used with smokeless powder. It is strictly a black powder only firearm. Many will tell you they have run low power smokeless rounds in them to no ill effect. I'll be honest and say that I have done so, but that was before I fully understood why it's a very bad idea. Good luck! Lightnings are fun guns to own and to shoot, even if they are not SASS legal. (Well, the short barrel ones are okay for pocket pistols, but that's not the same.) Still, a boy can dream... A pair of Lighting pistols paired with a Lightning rifle would be SO much fun...

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-iba-1&hsimp=yhs-1&hspart=iba&p=John+Wayne+Taps#id=1&vid=e273d493607f9beed4e10ff3a967e10d&action=click

I would just recommend these holsters... https://www.cabelas.com/product/Triple-K-Western-Style-Holster/740541.uts?slotId=9 I use these for, well, just about everything except for my Walker and Dragoon. SAA, various conversions, Remington, Smith and Wessons, Nagants, Merwin and Hulberts. Bascially, if it's smaller than a Dragoon and the if the barrel is not over 7.5" is works.

I don't have any Piettas, but I do have several real Colts, and most of the other clone makers. Let's do some comparison. Here is what we will be comparing. For the record, all of my clones, and most of my Colts were bought on the used market. Everything has four clicks. On the left from top to bottom is a First Generation Antique, a Second Generation, an early Third Generation [the kind without the removable cylinder bushing] and a late Third Generation that restored the removable bushing. These late Thirds have sometime erroneously been called Fourth Generations, but that is a misnomer. It's the only one I bought new. On the right from top to bottom are the original clone, a Great Western Arms revolver, an original EMF made by Jager Adler in Italy, an Armi San Marco set up in military configuration, a heavily modified by my Armi San Marco on a smokless frame, and an Uberti. When you compare the ASM to the First Gen, you can see how things on the First Gen changed. The ASM is of course set up like a very early Colt, with the bullseye ejector, which did not last for long on the real Colt. A curious difference is how the ASM has a scalloped firing pin, but the Colt has the cone one. It is my understanding that the scalloped firing pin is a much later feature. More on that in in a moment. Here is the most significant difference, the ASM has this two position cylinder pin. If you lock the screw on the rightmost indent, the gun will function properly. If you lock it on the left indent, that is the safety position, which prevents the gun from firing. Of all the different safeties on the clones, I find this to be the least obtrusive. The above shows how the cylinder pin sticks out of the frame when it is in the safe position. This compares the cylinder pin from the heavily customized smokless frame ASM to one from a Thrid Gen Colt. I include this because I want to mention that a Third generation pin does fit and work just fine on all of my clones. Here is the EMF Dakota. The most obvious difference is the brass triggerguard and backstrap. The frame is also noticeably beefier in my estimation. Here is a closeup of the safety on the Dakota. The red dot means it's in the fire position. Rotating the pin puts it in the safe position. That little cutout in the hammer is how the safety works... When in safe position that little half moon prevents the hammer from falling all the way. When it's off, it fits in the cut out in the hammer. This is the hammer on an Uberti. That little block of metal falls down and does something unique. It apparently falls into that hole in the frame when the pistol is on the traditional "safety" notch, or first click, making it physically impossible for the firing pin to contact the primer of a cartridge. Theoretically, this would allow the safety notch to actually be safe if there were 6 rounds loaded. I think it's ugly. And finally, here's the Great Western Revolver. As you can see, it has a weird hammer. And that's why. The firing pin is in the frame. I have no idea why they did this, or what purpose it serves. So there are some comparisons for you. Hope they are interesting.

Seeing this, I find myself wishing for one in .45 ACP that uses Thompson magazines.

This will not be a popular response, but I personally can't stand The Searchers. Wayne's character is just downright unpleasant, the story is at times contrived, and far too many scenes were obviously filmed in a sound stage. I just does not appeal to me.

On my revolver, there is a .44 stamped just behind the trigger, indicating that it started out as a .44-40. The cylinder does not have any numbers on it that match the rest of the gun. No doubt of it being a conversion.

Heh heh, that is true. But I was thinking more about "full size" pistols that would not be pocket pistols. Colt, Smith & Wesson, Merwin & Hulbert, Webley, Nagant and a few others made things that spring readily to mind. Oh well. At least I'm not advocating for the Broomhandle Mauser. Fun gun, and even if is pre-1900, I just don't see any kind of a logical place to put it.

Just out of curiosity, how many of us have an old SAA that is not in it's original caliber? I have seen more than a few of these over they years, and when I find them at gun stores, they tend to be far less expensive than the otherwise would be for a gun or their vintage. Not that I've actually seen that many in the shops, but I have met a handful of pards who have one. It is my understanding that once upon a time, this was actually quite commonly done. This one left Colt in the 1880's. According to the factory letter, it started life as a .44-40, but is today a .32-20. Colt has no record of doing the conversion themselves, but I couple of gunsmiths I've showed it to are of the opinion that it is possible that they did, and probably in the 1920's. But that is all speculation. The nickel finish is correct to the letter, but I don't know if it is original or not. Grips are not specified in the letter either, but these have clearly been with the gun for a very long time.

With regards to pre-1900 DA revolvers, (And I absolutely mean pre-1900, not modern ones.) I think it is not unreasonable to find a way for them to be included in our game. What that way is, I can not definitively say. I suppose there are three options. 1. Some sort of a side match. 2. Allow them as Main Match revolvers, but only if they are operated in single action mode. 3. Allow them as Main Match revolvers is a separate specialized category. I think option 1 is the most viable. I think option 2 is a good idea. I think option 3 is the most problematic and would create more problems than it is worth, but it's not so bad to at least think about it.

It's hard to believe that guns made in 1920 are now 100 years old. As I see what others are mentioning, it suddenly occurred to me that I have many non antiques that have passed the century mark, or soon will.

I am reasonably certain that this is by far and away the oldest gun I've ever shot a match with, and certainly the oldest one I own. I am not sure exactly how old it is, or even which model. As you can see, the model number is obscured. It's either a model 63 or a 65. Serial number is in the 17000 range. It's a sweet shooter.