Null N. Void

I had a problem with some of my brass that I had obtained from various sources, both new and used. It turned out that some of it was bulged and my dies do not resize all the way to the base. The round would either chamber and extract hard, or not chamber at all and I'd jack it out. I had not been fully checking the rounds (357). I had always checked for splits and cracks, but not all the way down to the base for bulges, and it bit me hard in a couple of matches. I now 100 % check all the brass after it has been cleaned and discard any with splits, cracks, or anything that looks suspicious. After it's loaded, I 100% check the rounds with a chamber guage and put them on a flat plate to find any high primers. Since I've been doing that, all the ammo problems have gone away. I'm not sure any 357 die can get all the way to the base. Someone may have some suggestions. I'm OK now, but there may be some other help out there.

My 45 Colt rifle is not as reliable as my 357. Both are manufactured by Uberti. The 45 Colt cartridge is a dirty cartridge and I spend much more time cleaning it. In order to limit blowback, I use 5.5 grains of Trail Boss with a 200 grain bullet. Anything less that that, I get spitting in my face. The recoil is much heavier than my .357. Feeding on both is not a problem. If I had to get a big bore rifle again, I'd probably get a 44-40. They are much cleaner to run. If you do this enough, the recoil from the 45 Colt pistol and rifle together start to add up. I only shoot the 45 Colt rifle for Wild Bunch as that requires a high power factor. I'll occasionally shoot gunfighter with 45 pistols, because the have lower hammers, and use Cowboy Special rounds in them to reduce recoil. I'll stick with my 357 for the rifle for shooting GF. There is a Big Bore match in the area I shot once that required everything to be 150 PF and above. My wrists and shoulder were sore for a couple of days. I won't do that again.

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As a member of my club, and being the MD for Cowboy trying to get SASS re-established at my club, the absolutely last thing I will do is insult either the club members that come to shoot or the guests that come to our match. At this point, we have a small match with about 10 people coming out per match. With the weather we've been having, that's not bad and I think we'll be into the 15 range by the summer. With that number, we shoot on one bay and change the setup every two to three stages. We're getting new shooters out, and they are still getting into the rhythm of how a match works and at the same time being new to how their guns work. Things I see easily are still confusing to them. My wife, who does not shoot, and I start setting up the stages early and I get some help from other club members. My goal is to have the match set before the shooters arrive. I consider it bad form for people to drive for a couple of hours and then expect them to set up steel. They are my, and the clubs, guests. Nothing is set in concrete, and if I'm having physical problems, I may call and ask for additional help, but I try to not do that unless it's a last resort. I have recovered from two ruptured achilles tendons, a bad knee strain and have chronic foot and back problems. That doesn't stop me from running the Cowboy matches, shooting, and enjoying life in general. I can't do it by myself, but do get enough help from the club and cowboys to make it go. I ask everybody to do what they can. Sometimes a bit of prompting in done to get people to pick brass or spot, but I've never had anyone say no. The biggest help is at the end of the match to put steel away. By then, I'm about done. I have not been disappointed with the help at the end of the match. Not everybody can haul steel, but picking up mats and other light work is not that hard and gets the job done. On away matches, I'll do whatever is needed to keep the match going. At some clubs I'll run the timer 1/2 of the time and pick brass or spot the rest. For closer matches, I'll help breakdown the setups. For matches are a 2 1/2 to 3 hour drive and I'll leave as soon as I can get my gear loaded. I think most people understand that someone 67 with a long drive needs to get home as rested and safely as possible. NNV

I think we need to be very sensitive to new shooters not having the financial ability that some of the veteran (or retired, or both) shooters to go to shoots. We have a new couple at our club that love to shoot. They are young, love the sport, and one is a teacher and one is a social worker still going to school for his Masters. He wants to work with disadvantaged kids and is taking debt and spending time to do it. They are working to get what they need for two shooters. I'm happy we can get them out to a match once a month with all they have on their plate. I hope they can start travelling to other clubs soon.. Making the sport as affordable as possible will help them out. I feel guns are the first thing to spend money on. Get to something comfortable as quick as you can. So long as they are good guns, you can always trade them in for something else with a minimum loss of value for something that feels, or is better. I suggest doing the guns first, then worry (not to much) about clothing. Boots, jeans and a long sleeved shirt are all you need for any age based competition. If you go to a multi-day competition two sets will do if you rotate. A cowboy hat is good to keep hot brass from going down your back. My first one cost me $10 from a thrift shop. Costuming is fun and I won a contest where the object was to reuse and recycle clothing. Most of my early wardrobe came from Salvation Army and Goodwill and that contest was right in my wheelhouse. The next next best costume contest winners, for me, were people that made, from scratch, their own costumes that reflected working people and families from our era of the west. For me, winning a costume contest because you spent the most money does not compare to those that make it from scratch. Costumes are fun, but shooting is the sport.

I wouldn't worry about clothes. I have a very small camper and have to make maximum use of clothes. For a 4 day match, I'll usually take 2 pants and 2 or three shirts and rotate them. I'll take one vest and one hat. I travel in jeans there and back using the same ones. They are emergency backups in case of spills, mud, etc. I'll go out to diner in my cowboy stuff. I've never had anyone notice that I've used the same shirt later in the match. If it's really hot and the shirt and pants get sweaty, I'll rinse them out and they will be dry to use a day later while I'm using my alternate set. They may be wrinkled, but after one stage everyone is wrinkled anyway. The bigger matches are fun. You usually shoot two days. If you get there on the day of the first matches, shoot them, stay overnight, shoot the next day and leave you can get away with one nights stay but you may be worn out by the drive to get there.\. Just let the MD know that you'd like to shoot later in the day, if possible. Your friends can pick up your awards and get them to you later. It's also a chance to see vendors and other shooters, to meet with friends and share stories. You don't get that as much with other sports.

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Cold and wet are the break points around here. I'll set up under cover with modified stages if it's warmer but showery. I will cancel if it's freezing and windy, or the forecast has heavy rain and thunderstorms. If I cancel, it's usually Friday afternoon and I send it to my distribution list and post on the North Carolina wire. We've been in a very wet pattern and footing has also been an issue. When the Sandhills are so wet that they don't drain and the footing turns to slime, I'll also call it. We can stay dry under cover, but the rivers coming off the berms underfoot are not safe.

I did some work with using SG targets as pistol knockdowns and had too much splatter coming back and too much damage to the target frame by misses with heavy loads. I have other pistol/rifle knock down targets used for IDPA and 3 gun that work much better if shot with a SG.

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I was the TO. Hammer was down, just no bang when he cycled. I was looking for rounds flying out, but there was nothing. I was thinking, " Did he forget to load the rifle?" It was great to watch the smoothness in that he knew where the rounds were, pulled them out, loaded, shot, gathered the remaining rounds, moved, loaded the pistols and fired away. I did check to see if the person taking the video was still running the camera, and she was. The general comment in the background after the stage was " Talking instead of loading" with a lot of smiles and head nods. It was a pleasure to shoot with him and I look forward to doing it again!

He forgot to mention the first stage in which he shot underpowered shotgun rounds. You could see the wad arcing to the target. They did go down, slowly!

A link would be good.

Where's the video?

38 special - 3.3 grains with 105 bullet. 357 - 3.3 grains with 125 bullet Shotgun with 1 ounce loads - 13.5 to 13.8.

We have 4 new shooters in my club, maybe 6, but all are struggling with the cost of the sport and integrating it into their work, school, family and other interests. If they can manage to get out once a month, it's great. I think it's (pick your negative expletive) to add another requirement when we are trying to recruit new shooters. An online course for those would like it would be great to get those who would like to know the rules better. I don't think is should replace the present RO1 course.

" Assessing misses is purely in the purview of the spotters." Page 24 of Shooters Handbook

When I'm running the timer and I clearly saw 10 leave the pistols but are close, but distinct, I'll get with the spotters and tell them what I saw. I cannot overrule them but I can provide info like we do with an edge hit. If the double cocker is shooting shots close to simultaneous, I'll let he/she know it's too close and the spotters may be calling misses or I may have to call a P. Two close is if I don't see one gun recoil before the other. I can't always get into position to see that, but I try.

I didn't see the original video. Here's the present rule for Gunfighters from page 7 of the Shooters Handbook. The revolvers must never be held in an unsafe manner (e.g., one revolver behind the other). Keeping with the 170 rule, which is how I view it, once a hand is in the 170 degree of the muzzle of either revolver, you have unsafe gun handling. It doesn't matter what the lane is. You should keep the revolvers roughly side by side. Once the muzzle gets behind the butt of the other revolver, you, as defined by the SHB are unsafe. Unsafe handling penalties apply. Some pumping is OK. Just get the pumped gun forward and then cock it. I understand the help it gives as far a rhythm goes. I shot gunfighter for a couple of years. The best way to keep yourself safe, IMO, is to keep the revolvers straight out and do not allow the recoil to come straight back. The natural recoil of cowboy guns is to roll the gun back over the top of your hand for a couple of inches. The muzzle never gets more that 20 degrees from horizontal for the loads we shoot. You keep the gun forward and after the shot and recoil, roll it back down. There is some back movement, but not enough to pull the muzzle back more than a couple of inches and that doesn't get hands in front of muzzles. I've seen shooters pulling the gun straight back over a foot and are cocking it way behind the other revolver. That is not safe. Why anyone would want a cocked gun behind their hand is beyond me. If I didn't see it clearly, I'll warn them. If I see it clearly, particularly after a warning, I will assess the appropriate penalty. NNV

I think this expresses why good active members get frustrated. A reasonable proposal was made, discussed, voted upon and agreed to by the ROC. Not everybody was happy, but the process was followed. Then it disappeared into the Twilight Zone. We managed to get the dropped round rule changed. That was another one that was frequently called in the past. Since it's been changed, it's been a relief when running the timer to not have to call a penalty when a shooter puts his/her hand on a dropped cartridge or shell. I have not seen anything close to a safety issue when people pick up a dropped shell. I think the change to the cocked long gun rule would be the same. No impact on safety and less frustration in running the timer. NNV

Thank you Jackaroo! That's what I remember from last year. If there isn't going to be a TG Summit, then I think the ROC approval should enough to change the rule. All the above discussions were had last year on this forum, and at the end, the ROC accepted it as you stated. I think the only issue was should it be a MS or Procedural vs. a no call.

I've had to call the penalty many times and have never found a round in the chamber. It's already too late to worry about tripping on the way. The penalty is almost always called at the line when the rifle is put down. I think lowering the hammer by pulling the trigger is a better way to handle it. I prefer a no call, but could see a procedural or a MS. I think the SDQ is too severe.

There was a proposal last year to change the penalty to a no call if the trigger is pulled on the rifle (pointed in a safe direction) and the hammer falls, and nothing happens. If it goes bang, it's still a SDQ. My understanding was this was to be voted on at the TG meeting at winter range. Did this get discussed and either approved voted down? NNV

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The Winchesters are flatter across. If the firing pins are a bit off center and the spring tension is lighter, they may not go off with Federals because of the depth in the pocket they have and a bit of an arch in them. My main match SG is a Chichester '97 that throws shells out beautifully but has a slightly off center firing pin strike. It will ignite Winchesters all day, but when I used some Federals, I had about a 20% FTF rate with nothing else changed on the SG. When I went back to Winchester, the problem went away.