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Do many of you place your first fired pistol on the table


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When pistols are last guns shot, and their is a handy table, yes, I lay it down. Not hugely faster, but occasionally miss the holster and have to double-clutch it. Then it is quicker to lay on the table. 

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Nope, but I've been a Gunfighter(Frontier Cartridge) since about 2013 :)

 

But even if I shot another category I'd probably reholster instead of grounding out of habit.

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I have to consciously think about doing it... going back to holster has been beaten thru my thick skull...   Sorta like sayin' "yes'm" whenever I responded to the Mrs.  

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I've noticed duelists do it some. Wondered if it would save any time shooting sqaw paw. Every time I think I want to try it, habit just makes me reholster. Probably wouldn't save me much unless pistols were last.

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15 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:

I've noticed duelists do it some. Wondered if it would save any time shooting sqaw paw. Every time I think I want to try it, habit just makes me reholster. Probably wouldn't save me much unless pistols were last.

 

If pistols aren't last...it definitely won't save time.;)

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Nope. Not in a match anyways. The only time I’ll consider doing that is in a side match when going back and forth with a very close competitor and they do it first. It may be a teeny tiny bit faster, but a little too gamey and risky for me. Seen way too many times where the pistol hits the table just right and spins earning a SDQ. Time spent practicing laying it in a table would be much better spent learning to re-holstering more efficiently. 

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Tables, stumps, props, etc,  were placed at the pistol position in case a shooter needed to make a broken or malfunctioning gun safe. It morphed into a place to set guns instead of holstering.

I don't do it, some do, until the pistol breaks the 170. 

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I've seen some new folks get in the habit of doing that because they see others doing it and then get caught when revolvers are not last and they forgot to reholster after the second revolver.  

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1 hour ago, Idaho Gunslinger said:

Is there a rule that your revolvers have to be reholstered before you move on to the next gun? Yes.

 

I'm trying to figure out why it only matters if pistols are last.  Because the time ends with the last shot and you are reholstering off the clock.

 

Revolvers are returned to leather (re-holstered in a safe condition) at the

conclusion of the shooting string, unless the stage description specifically directs otherwise (e.g., “move to the next position and set gun on table or prop”). A shooting string is defined as shots from one type of firearm prior to the next type of firearm engaged.

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Thanks! I understood that you would be reholstering off the clock, though if pistols are last your always reholstering 1 of them off the clock. I didn't realize pistols had to be reholstered at the end of the string though. Probably because I've never seen pistols sat on a table in person.

 

How much time does someone save by setting the 1st pistol on the table vs reholstering? A tenth of a second at best maybe?

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2 hours ago, Idaho Gunslinger said:

Thanks! I understood that you would be reholstering off the clock, though if pistols are last your always reholstering 1 of them off the clock. I didn't realize pistols had to be reholstered at the end of the string though. Probably because I've never seen it done in person.

 

How much time does someone save by sitting the 1st pistol on the table vs reholstering? A tenth of a second at best maybe?

I’ve won, and lost, by less more than once. A tenth here and there adds up. If you have three transitions P-P-R-S and can save a tenth on each that’s 3/10 times 6 stages and you’ve saved almost 2 seconds.

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6 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said:

I’ve won, and lost, by less more than once. A tenth here and there adds up. If you have three transitions P-P-R-S and can save a tenth on each that’s 3/10 times 6 stages and you’ve saved almost 2 seconds.

Yeah I get that but in this thread it only applies to stages that end in pistols and in those stages that don't end in pistols you risk forgetting to pick your pistols up. Which I imagine just having to pick it back up and holster it on the clock adds more time than just holstering it in the first place. 

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I just started doing it this last year, and did it twice today.  I think that the faster the shooter is, the less time it will save because they are so quick and smooth reholstering the first pistol.  The middle of the pack (moi) and slower shooters might benefit more.

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15 minutes ago, Idaho Gunslinger said:

Yeah I get that but in this thread it only applies to stages that end in pistols and in those stages that don't end in pistols you risk forgetting to pick your pistols up. Which I imagine just having to pick it back up and holster it on the clock adds more time than just holstering it in the first place. 

I think you’re right. Doing it when pistols aren’t last is a bad move and will cost you time. Hence experienced shooters who do this only do it when pistols are last.

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I remember once time I was at a club that let me shoot my Mare's Leg.   I was told, "You know you have to reholster that thing, you can't just put it down."   My response was, "I was planning to holster it."

I've always assumed that unless the stage directions say otherwise, you have to reholster.

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11 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

I've always assumed that unless the stage directions say otherwise, you have to reholster.

 

See Pettifogger's post above.

 

You have to be wary of stage instructions that say, "Shoot first pistol.  Holster.  Shoot second pistol..."

 

Yes, stage instructions like that are discouraged, but they happen.

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13 minutes ago, Stump Water said:

 

See Pettifogger's post above.

 

You have to be wary of stage instructions that say, "Shoot first pistol.  Holster.  Shoot second pistol..."

 

Yes, stage instructions like that are discouraged, but they happen.

LOL. Do you hold gunfighters to this instructions as well? 

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47 minutes ago, Smokestack SASS#87384 said:

LOL. Do you hold gunfighters to this instructions as well? 

Some people shouldn’t write stage instructions. The absolute best at writing them is @Branchwater Jack SASS #88854. A posse marshal walkthrough for his stages takes maybe 20 minutes and questions are rare.

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11 hours ago, Idaho Gunslinger said:

Is there a rule that your revolvers have to be reholstered before you move on to the next gun? I'm trying to figure out why it only matters if pistols are last.

if not last guns will still be reholsterwd on the clock. If last gun timer stops on last shot

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It depends on how the stage is written, if it says holster pistols then you holster pistols whether it's the last guns you fired or not. 

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11 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

It depends on how the stage is written, if it says holster pistols then you holster pistols whether it's the last guns you fired or not. 

Reholstering is actually what happens whether pistols be 1st, middle or last, based on SASS stage conventions. There is no other way of completing a stage without incurring a penalty otherwise, unless stage was written specifying the return of pistols to where they were originally staged ( gun buckets, table, window sills, etc..) in the stage description.

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only if its written into the stage directions - otherwise i think it should be a P at best or a DQ at worst , im not a fan of gamers and that reeks of the bent , i get it that if its OK in the rules its OK but , some of these rules seem to lend to the gamers , now if there is an exception for an elderly shooter at a monthly match im all for keeping them shooting as long as possible 

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3 hours ago, watab kid said:

only if its written into the stage directions - otherwise i think it should be a P at best or a DQ at worst , im not a fan of gamers and that reeks of the bent , i get it that if its OK in the rules its OK but , some of these rules seem to lend to the gamers , now if there is an exception for an elderly shooter at a monthly match im all for keeping them shooting as long as possible 

 

Which rules would those be?? <_<

 

The default rule (quoted above) applies to EVERYONE.

When the last shooting string of the stage is 10 revolver shots, both revolvers are (eventually) reholstered to head to the ULT.

REF: RO1 p.23 & RO2 p.7
BTW...They start out holstered from the LT to the stage whether they are staged before the "beep" or drawn from leather ATB.

 

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