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Okay...just confused as your post made reference to PWB's post...had to do with Prop Failures so I thought your comment had something to do with Prop Failures. You even specifically said "Once again this is an example of Timer Operators not knowing the job.". So...yeah...I'm confused. Phantom Agreed, My post was a comment in general regarding TO's not doing the job. Regarding Prop Failures, broken clays and tombstone racks with sympathetic falls can be examples of Failure. I have never experienced anyone asking for a reshoot after a broken clay or sympathetic plate fall. As PWB quoted Timer Operator should be prepared to make a determination of whether or not the shooter shall continue the course of fire or cease fire immediately . My point, in the OP, it was clear that the TO did nothing regarding the Failure and therefore gave the shooter an unfair advantage. The TO did not go against any SASS rules/guidelines. From the OP "In the end, it was a huge advantage for this "lucky shooter" who took his chance. So, what's your call and thoughts? " IMO, unless the match guidelines state how to handle the pendulum Prop Failure, the actions (or lack of) of the TO could determine winners of the annual match.

Can you elaborate on this answer? Phantom Yes, some of the WTC post on this forum expose the reality that some TO's do not know the rules. For example "WTC - 170 rule" and "Walking in front of guns"

RO2 p.9 If a "cease fire" is called for a prop faiure, the shooter MUST reshoot the stage or, if refused, given a DNF (scored the same a a SDQ) Edited 8 hours ago by PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Once again this is an example of Timer Operators not knowing the job.

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W H A T ! ! ! So what does that have to do with this? Whose calibrated thumb. Is your pencil sharpener calibrated? Please make comments that can be confirmed. FYI, I do agree that it is very difficult to evaluate +-5 deg while watching the shooter. That is probably (I do not know for sure) why there is a suggested warning. BUT, after a few warnings, maybe a call should be made. If you do not like the 170 rule then tell your TG. Suggest a better rule, then campaign for it.

The OP assumes they went down range and only saw one hit on the target. What about the possibility that multiple rounds hit the same place on the target. Maybe an edge It appears that the original call took into account benefit of any doubt. Going down range to inspect a target clearly indicated doubt. Call it as you see it 1 miss From the ROI course Spotters - Spotters have the responsibility to count shots and misses and to verify the targets were engaged in the correct order for the required number of shots. - Spotters assist the TO by watching for violations when the competitor retrieves staged firearms and draws revolvers since it is impossible for the TO to have an unobstructed view of both sides of the competitor’s body. - Spotters are obligated to stop a shooter from attempting an unsafe action if the TO is not in position to see it or react quickly enough. - Determine misses by both visual and audible means, when possible. - Should always be in a position to see all the targets in the course of fire. At least one spotter should be positioned on each side of the competitor. - There should always be 3 spotters. The majority (2 out of 3) breaks the tie in regard to misses. - Spotters should be easily identifiable by holding a baton, wearing a bandana, etc. - The TO is not relied upon to count shots and misses. - Spotters declare any misses and procedurals at the conclusion of the stage - Spotters never spot for a family member. - Always give the shooter the benefit of any doubt. If you know it’s a HIT….. IT’S a HIT! If you think it’s a HIT….. IT’S a HIT! If you think it’s a MISS…. IT’s a HIT! If you know it’s a MISS…. IT’s a MISS!

Shooter first shot knocks down first target. HIT Second shot knockdown target three MISS Is the third shot also a MISS?

Anyone do this deal?

Everyone who holds the "clock" should read this thread, then choose to hold the clock or NOT.

What PWB just stated is a very common occurrence. Once that last shot is fired many TOs ignore all the safety issues that MUST be monitored. This is a big issue.

The first object hit by bullet is the only thing that counts. I will try to find PWB reference.

Are there any "protected" categories at all? Examples, only 3 in La Reina or Buckerette

I did a Google search og "in hand" under control If a situation is in hand, it is under control. The event organizers say that matters are well in hand. What does something in hand mean? If you have something in hand, you have not yet used it and it is still available: I had enough money in hand to buy a new car. Based on the above definitions any shells in a belt are under control, ready to use and available, therefore not allowed. But!!! in hand(s) plural, does not get any search results. I would suspect (I do not know) the original authors may have meant "holding" which does not address "touching".

Check out the cover of the July Chronicle. The photo of the EOT champions. Is that Hells Comin standing behind Cimarron Sonia?

Yea, So.....What's new ?????