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The last 2 times I had brass on back order, they contacted me to confirm my back order & payment details, prior to shipping. The time before that when I back ordered 2K pieces of C45S, it arrived 4 days later. It can take them months to accumulate enough back order quantity to warrant putting a relative slow mover into their production schedule.

An adjustable bar is also just a volumetric measuring device, same as a bushing, just allows adjusting the amount of drop. But, it is just as prone to variations between drops as a bushing, as Sedalia Dave described. But, you are correct in that while the MEC Chart is close to the amount of powder a particular bushing drops, it is not exact. I typically take my desired powder charge, pick the bushing that drops just shy of that amount, check how much it actually drops, and if within "my tolerance" go about my business.

I didn't have any fun at EOT this year... as I didn't go. Strictly on me. Did I miss out on some shootin'? You bet I did... I also missed out on seein' folks I enjoy seein', finishing in last place, tryin' my best in the Long Range stuff, shootin mediocrely in the Plainsman event, irritating folks that need irritating, makin' folks laugh that need more laugh lines... and some that don't, but don't mind 'em! Traveling is something I do... but, admittedly, I enjoy it more when I'm being paid to do it... and as usual, I just say... maybe next year! Although, I do enjoy readin' about others' experiences and impressions of EOT... good, bad, or in between.

Cartridge holders? Several things meet that criteria... fingers, cylinders, boxes, trays, chambers, among others... I'll jump out on a limb here and say "fingers" ain't what he wanted, as I pretty sure they're not 3D printed...

I just double checked, 1 oz shot bushing in once fired WIN LNLR hulls and a Claybuster CB-1138-12 wad. Less shot gave me a slightly concave crimp. Nothing volumetric drops exactly the same amount from one drop to another. It might only differ by 100ths of a grain, or 10ths, but there is a difference.

I don't load APP, but my #37 drops right at 40 grains of Goex Cartridge.

Fixed that for ya... Cowboys GOTTA know how to count to two so they can make steers!

is your friend. El Paso Saddlery Blackpowder Belt, from the place that's nearly always the first place I look. I'd rather have the "Money Belt", and if you ask 'em if they'd make it w/o loops... the worst they can do is say "no".

Well... if you can't be good, it's good to be lucky... I'll take lucky. That definitely shows a lack of QC.

All I can say is that in 30+ years of using 'em... I've never gotten a bad case. My last case was bought late last year. Still no bad hulls half way thru. Plus, they're my prefered hull for reloading for my BP rounds. I'm not about to use my Blue Magic hulls for SASS!

You need to polish your chambers and remove any burrs on the mouth of the shotgun before ANY shell will eject with just a quick jerk backwards. Done correctly, with the right technique, you don't need to oil the shells, don't need fancy sizers, just a little polish and practice.

Fillers? Whatever for? Totally unnecessary.

I used to make 'em... price depended on wood selected. Mesquite was quite expensive, but pretty. My favorite are mine with cherry wood & engine turned stainless stakes. Kinda sad when yer crossed sticks are prettier'n yer rifle!

Now to make myself perfectly clear... I believe the upstanding true cowboy way is for the errant shooter to stop and reenhage the second shotgun KD in a "where it was" method, truly showing the previous hiccup was unintentional.

Blackjack copy from abt 1996/7.

Wait, you've already assessed a 10 second time penalty for the failure to follow stage instructions. Not applying that penalty would be like penalizing all the other shooters. Directing the shooter to stop is not a requirement on the TO, What penalty does the shooter accrue if the TO doesn't direct him to stop? For either there's a penalty that can be levied, or there's not. Remember, we've already penalized him for failure to follow stage instruction under the reasonable assumption it was a simple brain hiccup and not intentional... No second such penalty can be applied. The TO is under no obligation to direct the shooter either way. If the TO doesn't direct the shooter, what's the penalty? For the TO to so order the shooter, you must have a basis for a penalty. Frankly, if one TO so orders the errant shooter on his posse and another TO doesn't so order the errant shooter on his posse, haven't you disadvantaged the first errant shooter? While the TO can provide direction to a shooter in order that the shooter doesn't incur a penalty, the TO isn't obligated to do so, and the shooter earns such penalty. Again, what's the penalty in this instance?. Please, don't bother with the "... penalizing all the other shooter's...", that's a deflection from the question. What is the penalty if the shooter skips the second stop at the shotgun position and the TO doesn't direct him to do so?

Nothing fancy, same belt, just different holster for the Patersons & 1851s.

Oh Pleeeze! How dare you let the cat outta bag so early... You've just spoilt the joy for those that gotta argue for the sake of arguin'!

All you have to do is look at this year's EOT... the top 4 finishers were within 12+/- seconds in total time, yet only the 1st & 3rd place finishers were listed as "clean".

Life is not fair. That time to load, fire, make safe will vary a LOT, depending on an individual's skill level, it might be significant, or not. But a penalty shouldn't be viewed as way to ensure there's a disparity between competitors that earn a penalty and those that don't. How long it takes shooter A to fire a flawed (& penalized) performance on a stage as compared to shooter B who shoots a perfect performance is a flawed comparison, simply because of the inherent differences between the ability of various shooters. Or as I am inclined to say, "...somedays you're the bug, somedays you're the windshield1"

What time advantage? Their score will reflect their raw time, any misses on rifle & pistol targets, PLUS 10 seconds for failing to shoot the SG targets correctly. I doubt many shooters will be disadvantaged by shooting the stage correctly, vs earning a P. Will some? Obviously, but disparity between shooters exists, penalties not withstanding. A FTE penalty is also 30 seconds, specifically for not engaging a particular non-shooting activity. A reshoot is only an option if the shooter's progress thru the stage is caused by RO interference. I.e., as PWB opines, if the TO requires the shooter to stop @ position 4 and shoot a single shot. A conundrum, but not an impossible one.

Aye, a SOG it would be, IF we accept the TO's interpretation of what constitutes "willfully or intentionally disregards the stage instructions to obtain a competitive advantage..." Which, to be applied in the past, has been clear by the shooter's statements to that effect, not just some gut feeling by the TO. There have been pages and pages of discussion against subjective rules with no clear definition of when their application is justified. The SOG is one of them, hence the past requirement for statements, utterances, or other verbal indications of the shooter's intent.

Aye, but what SHB reference can you cite to support that conclusion. The shooter has already been penalized for failing to follow the stage instructions with the appropriate call, a "P". The SHB states he can only be penalized once per stage with a "P".

But... if he doesn't, and the TO doesn't direct him to do so, what penalty has the shooter earned. The shooter has already engaged the target that should have been shot at the position, & been penalized for having done so... What penalty is there?

I'd invite you to peruse the 2nd post in this thread. Is there a rule you can quote that requires the shooter to return to position 4 and fire another shotshell downrange?