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Aye, the "taking it in" is what's important. I believe that without that "hands on" experience of the ROII, the "taking it in" is diminished. As I'm sure that many others can attest, during their working careers, they've met quite a few test savvy idiots. Learning is best re-inforced with "DOING".

... what does Colt stamp on the bbl? ".45" However, the round was introduced in 1872 by UMC for the Colt SAA as the .45 Colt. Following the merger with Remington in 1912 used the headstamp REM-UMC 45 Colt until 1970. While some cartridges are still avail with UMC, the 45 Colt is only under the Remington headstamp, still marked 45 Colt. So we just throw away 154 years of tradition from the current derivative company that introduced the round, because some Wall Street advertising company doesn't know its kiester from a hole in the ground, or some new age ignorant wannabe thinks some story he heard is better for his ego? Sounds like a liberal conspiracy to me.

I've gone as low as 3.2 grains of TiteGroup with both 160 & 200 grain bullets, but I like 3.4 grains better. With a 4-¾" bbl the 3.2 loads run around 588 fps with the 160... the 3.4 grain load runs just over 615 fps, but... 3.6 runs at my favorite fps of 650. Slight differences in felt recoil in the handgun... but are just about indistinguishable in a rifle.

I will miss his ready smile a great attitude!

Ok, I got 5, if you count main match legal in the beginning. While serving in the Navy in VN our ship had a raffle, 2nd such one, and for one single $5 bill I bought a ticket... and won a mdl 64A Winchester in .30-30. (Yeah yeah NonStop... but I'd rather be lucky than good, and we both know I ain't good)! Later that same tour, our Ship's Store clerk offered me a Winchester 94 in 44Mag if I'd pay the balance... $39.95... Of course I said yes! Then in 1987, at my 2nd EOT, I bought a $5 raffle ticket for a fund raiser for the Children's Hospital of Orange County... won a pair of EMF consecutively numbered, engraved, silver & gold plated .44-40 SAs in presentation case. If main match WB counts... then...

It's one of those things that are simply made to make people ask, "...what is this?" A situation that's only worse when you realize you spent money on it!

I lucked into a Miroku 1885 LoWall in 45 Colt. I believe they also made it in .44-40. Mine's got a 24" ½ octagon/round bbl., and if my 45 Colt is any example, accurate as all get out! Good looks AND quality to spare!

Other'n blindin' you from the reflection off the sun, superb guns...

I am no rule guru... but a spirit level mounted in the rear dovetail wouldn't be integral with the front sight... unless, that's where you mount your front sight! Where there's a will... there's a way!

Thank you. I hope that it will include some of the actual hands-on element from the old RO2 course. That's really the only portion of the old courses that I missed... and really felt helped prepare someone that hasn't held the timer before.

I don't know, as I didn't ask, but couldn't you take both the CAS & WB portions on the same day? Gunslinger had the materials there for the WB portion, but that I knew, nobody had signed up for it.

Thank goodness for digital cameras... You'd have spent a fortune in film processing or chemicals in the pre-digital era!

1st, let me say thank you to the Oakwood Outlaws for hosting the R.O.B.S. & CAS classes this past Saturday. Gunslinger did a masterful job of pounding some semblence of information in the thick skulls in attendance. Mine especially. However, and as an aside to that, my question is posed to those that have attended both types of RO training. What did you like about the RO1 & 2 courses, and what do you think of the new R.OB.S. CAS & WB format? I've attended a few of the old format from different instructors, and just the one R.O.B.S. course, being as new as it is. I remember my initial training as an TO... I think Hipshot thrust a stopwatch at me and said, "...here, make yourself useful!" Genuine OTJT. I'd like to think I was good at it, but truthfully, I know I made my share of mistakes... probably like most other TOs of the time and like experience. I truly welcomed the RO courses when they came to be, and feel it was a vast improvement over the original method! Anyway, I'd like to hear what y'all think! Vent away, Politely, as remember, members or not, we're all guests here!

Ah com'n, we all know it ain't "new".

Say Hi to Scott T for me. I met a couple of others in 2008 at a shoot in Hotchkiss, CO.

This probably happened while PWB was still a pup, but... once upon a time, the WB had the CA Range Masters Assoc (or some such outfit do the Range Officering at EOT. This was still at Cota De Caza.) I'm thinkin' the 1st time was 1988/9ish. Anywho's, the rule packet said all loading was to be done at the reloading table, so I came up to my 1st stage with my saddle bags (range carts were still a rarity & perceived by some as a nuisance), with all my necessities, and started to load my .36 call '51 Navy clone... I didn't own a loading stand, so I just stood the revolver up on its butt, pulled the hammer to ½-cock and picked up my powder flask... when this big hand came over and slapped my '51 down flat on the table and heard, "Muzzles must be pointed into the berm for loading." I looked over my shoulder at this gray-haired older gent, wearing an official's vest, thought for a sec, (not wantin' my normal hotheadedness to take control)... and said, "l will as soon as you explain to me how to pour this powder UP into the chamber." He then looked at my revolver, at me, back at the revolver, back at me... and said, "maybe you know more about loading that gun than I do... I think I'll watch you and learn how to do it properly." (Pic is from EOT '91)

I've been loading .38 Spl since about 1975 using a 3 die RCBS set and a RCBS Jr. II press. When I got a Dillon 550 in 1987, I switched my RCBS dies to it. It loads fully functional ammo for my mdl 65 S&W, Colt & import SAs and two Rossi carbines. The case flare only needs to be large enough that your bullet base will enter the case without shaving lead. The crimp only needs to be enough to turn the mouth of the case into the groove. It sounds like you're over crimping, seating the bullet too deeply or belling the case mouth overly much. Pictures help. I did a short tutorial on adjusting dies to seat & crimp in one step: Proper Rollcrimp Adjustment Added thought: Are you deburring the case mouth? This can be important on new cases.

I can remember doin' "damsel in distress" stages where one shot was to knock a prop from a swinging target in front of the hit targets, each hit on the "damsel" was a miss.

Any SASS affiliated club is allowed to modify their local rules to accommodate local concerns... such as "plant & poke", among others, and yet follow all other SASS rules. What about clubs that host a Halloween shoot, where dressin' up in costume is encouraged, yet, all SASS rules still apply? Methinks y'all are makin' a mountain outta a molehill about a fun, tongue-in-cheek match the club has hosted for several years w/o complaint.

So... your SASS # is 25,346 numbers after mine... and you what's the best part... I have memories of when and what SASS was before and after it started. Still means squat. So, from 5 categories, to 130+/- have things really changed? Nope, we still are just taking sixshooters, leverguns & shotguns and dingin' steel for time. More categories only means more awards... It doesn't change the basic thing we do... just dilutes the results. And costs more money. Matches eliminate categories all the time. Don't get 3, 5, or 10 shooters in Elder Statesman BP Duelist... and it gets collapsed down to Silver Senior BP Duelist... Is that going to make anyone not attend? Maybe, maybe not... depends on whether they feel dependent on that ESBPD to have fun... But... I seriously doubt that anyone joined SASS because there was a ESBPD category. (Or whatever category you care to name... except Ladies, Juniors or Buckaroo/ette).

I use Hornady One-Shot Case lube for my .223 & .44-40 ammo. Every other pistol round I load for is a straight wall and I use carbide dies. For rifle ammo, I still use my RCBS Lube pads and case lube. Lay a double row of cases with the mouths facing alternating directions (left - right), and roll 'em. Been doing that for over 50 years... technique is down pat.

As described above, AE is simply the abbreviation of Angle Eject. Whereas the original mdl 94 design had the extractor top dead center in the bolt with the ejector at the bottom, the new AE had a slightly lowered right rail and the extractor set in the right quadrant of the bolt, to allow the ejection of the spent shell off to the right of the rifle.

Not a SASS thing. Totally on the club... as a fund raiser, it makes sense. I've done it before... never turned in a ticket. Just like a reshoot, often the second time thru is a bigger train wreck than the first one.

Yes. I've had a couple of really raggedy hats reblocked. One, a Stetson had 20+ years of dirt, grime and abuse when Texas Hatters cleaned and reblocked it for me. And that was 30 years ago, now its got about 30 years of dust on it. With its current tears & thin spots, I doubt they'd try again. Google is your friend: Hat restoration in West Virginia. Always worth it to have before & after pictures.

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