Subdeacon Joe Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 https://apnews.com/article/mccarthy-gaetz-speaker-motion-to-vacate-congress-327e294a39f8de079ef5e4abfb1fa555 McCarthy becomes the first speaker ever to be ousted from the job in a House vote October 3, 2023 WASHINGTON (AP) — Speaker Kevin McCarthy was voted out of the job Tuesday in an extraordinary showdown, a first in U.S. history that was forced by a contingent of hard-right conservatives and threw the House and its Republican leadership into chaos. McCarthy’s chief rival, Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, forced the vote on the “motion to vacate,” drawing together more than a handful of conservative Republican critics of the speaker and many Democrats who say he is unworthy of leadership. Next steps are uncertain, but there is no obvious successor to lead the House Republican majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 What a mess! I’ll hold my comments back for now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Maybe we can gut the budget finally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderRiverCowboy Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: What a mess! I’ll hold my comments back for now! Ditto because what I have to say will greatly offend some here because it doesnt follow the approved agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 I recall vote after vote just to select him. Agree there is no obvious successor. Pure speculation... Could he end up getting voted in again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Carnival barkers, thieves and charlatans on both slides of the aisle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 HOR = not a single adult in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 My opinion is that just about every GOP "leader" has all the firmness of an undercooked blancmange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Does this mean that Patty Murray is 2nd in line as successor to the White House at the present time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 42 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said: https://apnews.com/article/mccarthy-gaetz-speaker-motion-to-vacate-congress-327e294a39f8de079ef5e4abfb1fa555 McCarthy becomes the first speaker ever to be ousted from the job in a House vote October 3, 2023 WASHINGTON (AP) — Speaker Kevin McCarthy was voted out of the job Tuesday in an extraordinary showdown, a first in U.S. history that was forced by a contingent of hard-right conservatives and threw the House and its Republican leadership into chaos. McCarthy’s chief rival, Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, forced the vote on the “motion to vacate,” drawing together more than a handful of conservative Republican critics of the speaker and many Democrats who say he is unworthy of leadership. Next steps are uncertain, but there is no obvious successor to lead the House Republican majority. Actually, all but 8 Re-problem-bicans voted to keep McCarthy. Those 8 led by child porn trading, human trafficking, drug-taking Gaetz, voted to remove McCarthy and when joined by all 208 Demo-rats, totaled 216 against the 210 other Re-problem-bicans who voted against removal. It is a s * * t show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Put another way, Gaetz helped the Demo-rats do something they never in their wildest dreams though possible -- the House minority party successfully voted to oust the majority's Speaker. First time ever. Gaetz is possibly the dumbest as-yet-unconvicted criminal to ever sit in Congress, and that is REALLY saying something, given that George "I'm Jew-ish" Santos is still a U.S. Representative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliphalet R. Moderator Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 43 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: Does this mean that Patty Murray is 2nd in line as successor to the White House at the present time? Rep. Patrick McHenry, R. NC, is in charge until they can vote on a permanent (?) replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 said: Put another way, Gaetz helped the Demo-rats do something they never in their wildest dreams though possible -- the House minority party successfully voted to oust the majority's Speaker. First time ever. Gaetz is possibly the dumbest as-yet-unconvicted criminal to ever sit in Congress, and that is REALLY saying something, given that George "I'm Jew-ish" Santos is still a U.S. Representative. I do think it was a very dumb move, potentially dumb enough to flip the majority in the next election. No matter how this current unneeded drama plays out for a new speaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 McCarthy did not keep the promises he made to finally be confirmed after fifteen votes. You keep your word as a man of honor. Gone is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I swear it’s as if both parties are trying to destroy the institution and very foundations of the Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Dear Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, please take Rep. Gaetz on a trip to meet and greet a group of your states most wonderful animals, ALLIGATORS!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Why should we be surprised? They've spent the last several years doing little to help and protect US (citizens) so why should we be surprised at their attitude towards one another. I think very few of them ever have OUR best interest at heart. Their priorities seem to be on their vacation time, their benefits, their salary, etc......... ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 ALL of the "powerful" people in Washington D.C. [both sides of the aisles] are BROKE, and they are making the honest, law abiding, tax paying American citizens BROKE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderRiverCowboy Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 59 minutes ago, Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 said: Dear Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, please take Rep. Gaetz on a trip to meet and greet a group of your states most wonderful animals, ALLIGATORS!!!!!!! DeSantis was opposed to McCarthy being speaker in the first place so he would probably buy him dinner . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Jack, SASS #77862 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Well, the Speaker does not have to be a member of the HOR, so could we get Trump as Speaker? Not that I would want that, but an interesting complication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 yes , you make a promise you should keep it , the promise was no spending deal till the boarder was secured , i think that was a good promise , should not have been broken , we need unity and trust in our members of congress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 &@×% McCarthy and that's all I got to say ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Rip Snorter said: You keep your word as a man of honor. These are politicians, who don’t understand the meaning of the word. They think it’s a commodity to be falsely promoted, then sold or traded away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Rep. Patrick McHenry, R. NC first order of business was evicting Nancy Pelosi from her private office. Kudos, Mr. Speaker Perhaps the GOP is playing the long game... elect Trump as Speaker, impeach Biden, then Harris, and Trump becomes interim president. But I really doubt it. I see the eight GOP as the last holdouts for America That Was. They are fed up with the $33 trillion debt, and the enormous interest required to service that debt. They are fed up with runaway gov't spending, fed by printing fiat currency fueled by debt, then injected into the economy as give-away programs to buy votes. I truly believe the Swamp is far too big to ever drain. However, RINO McCarthy has shown his true character by kicking the can down the road and allowing the Marxists to further emasculate America. By his own rules, McCarthy was shown the door. He wasn't even man enough to leave with dignity, but had to resort to sour grapes with his retort. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Dang Bgavin, we got more in common than guns and heart issues. Good post. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 The last time the govt shut down (‘94) the budget got balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 said: Actually, all but 8 Re-problem-bicans voted to keep McCarthy. Those 8 led by child porn trading, human trafficking, drug-taking Gaetz, voted to remove McCarthy and when joined by all 208 Demo-rats, totaled 216 against the 210 other Re-problem-bicans who voted against removal. It is a s * * t show. It's a demonstrated fact that the R office holders represent their constituents, and the D office holders represent their bosses. The former generally vote in accordance to the wants of those said constituents; the latter as they are instructed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee Trapper Tom Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I well remember the shutdown in 1978. I was on a training in Germany for REFORGER (Return of Reforces to Germany) exercises. I had left my future wife behind in Texas. It was 34 days of pure hell. Without my paycheck the wife could not rent, because we had just spent all of our savings on repairs. THe landlord was a real Pr@#k! And was treating to kick her out if the trailer if she became more than 30 days late. Last thing you wanted to known as was a squatter. Texas has always had a real problem with squatters. As recall, they decided after two weeks, they decided to fund the government. That shutdown was scary at best. having had a shutdown in 77 and 78 Shiela and really concentrated on keeping enough funds put away to at least cover our expenses for about 3 months. Being a soldier on low pay it took many years to put the funds together. Trumps shutdown in 2018 was 34 days. I was better prepared. Under current economic conditions a shutdown now would really hurt millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 They ousted McCarthy for trying to get a budget deal and work with the democrats. Isn’t that what they’re supposed to do? Matt Gaetz is a disrupter and the 8 republicans that voted with him are idiots. If they had a replacement lined up it would have been a little better but this is a debacle. One thing I can say about democrats is they stick together unlike the republicans. It’s disheartening as a registered republican. What a clown show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 sides of the same coin. Keep doing the same thing with the same people and expecting different results. One side wants to drive off a cliff at 90 mph, the other at 30 mph. Your going off a cliff either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 You've got to look at the positive things. McCarthy was kicked to the curb for not doing what he promised. Feinstein is dead and not getting any better and Pelosi was kicked out of her "special" office space to make room for "something else". All in all, I'd say it was a good week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: They ousted McCarthy for trying to get a budget deal and work with the democrats. Isn’t that what they’re supposed to do? That is indeed "what they are supposed to do." Work together, compromise, find a center that makes everyone equally unhappy. Unfortunately in the past few decades, "work with the Democrats" has come to mean cave in to almost all their demands no matter what. Some good examples:https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2013/11/08/cake-and-compromise-illustrated-guide-to-gun-control/ The kind of "working together" we have seen is always a win for the left, even when not all their current demands are met. We always lose rights, the government always gains power. Death by a thousand cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 18 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said: That is indeed "what they are supposed to do." Work together, compromise, find a center that makes everyone equally unhappy. Unfortunately in the past few decades, "work with the Democrats" has come to mean cave in to almost all their demands no matter what. Some good examples:https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2013/11/08/cake-and-compromise-illustrated-guide-to-gun-control/ The kind of "working together" we have seen is always a win for the left, even when not all their current demands are met. We always lose rights, the government always gains power. Death by a thousand cuts. That's a funny clip but that's not what happened here. McCarthy didn't "Cave in" to all the dems demands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 We'll see if this is a good or bad thing. While about 97% of Congress should be replaced with honest people (who don't want the job!) the bigger problem is that both sides grow farther and farther apart politically. Republicans control only the House, with the Democrats controlling the Senate and the White House, which doesn't give the Republicans to maneuver. The elephant in the room is how the AVERAGE voter will respond to the Republicans shutting the government down. Even if it is the necessary thing to do, the political fallout for next year's election could be severe. It;s entirely possible McCarthy had access to internal polling that indicated a shutdown of the government could cost the Republicans control of the House and any chance of getting control of the Senate back. I think we can all agree that having the Democrats controlling both sides of Congress and the White House for at least two years would be a very bad thing. Of course those on the other side feel the same way about having Republicans in charge of both sides of Congress and the White House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 All of us complain about Washington, Congress and politicians, but none of us, including myself, want their job or want to run for office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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