McCarthy Out As Speaker of the House

[Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474]

It looks like it's been a bad few days for House Speakers in both our countries.

The Speaker in our Parliament was forced to resign after he invited a former Ukrainian Galacia Waffen SS Member to be his guest and receive the applause of the House of  Commons, during a visit and speech ,by President Zelensky.

[Rip Snorter]

Even for the founders it was a duty, not a career.  It cost them rather than enriching them, and they were glad to go back about their business.

[PowderRiverCowboy]

9 minutes ago, Chantry said:

All of us complain about Washington, Congress and politicians, but none of us, including myself, want their job or want to run for office.

I am Not qualified for that Job I am not PC , I just the f bomb like a comma , and I have morals But would repeal the NFA  

[Rye Miles #13621]

26 minutes ago, Chantry said:

We'll see if this is a good or bad thing.   While about 97% of Congress should be replaced with honest people (who don't want the job!) the bigger problem is that both sides grow farther and farther apart politically.  Republicans control only the House, with the Democrats controlling the Senate and the White House, which doesn't give the Republicans to maneuver.   

 

The elephant in the room is how the AVERAGE voter will respond to the Republicans shutting the government down.  Even if it is the necessary thing to do, the political fallout for next year's election could be severe.  It;s entirely possible McCarthy had access to internal polling that indicated a shutdown of the government could cost the Republicans control of the House and any chance of getting control of the Senate back.

 

I think we can all agree that having the Democrats controlling both sides of Congress and the White House for at least two years would be a very bad thing.  Of course those on the other side feel the same way about having Republicans in charge of both sides of Congress and the White House.

Yes I agree especially for the gun control crap!

[Chantry]

6 minutes ago, PowderRiverCowboy said:

I am Not qualified for that Job I am not PC , I just the f bomb like a comma , and I have morals But would repeal the NFA  

 

I'm not qualified either, I lack the patience and the idea of compromise with some of the members of Congress would be unacceptable.  I'd make a great king or dictator until the power corrupted me and I needed to be locked up or assassinated. 

[Nostrum Damus SASS #110702]

7 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

 

It's a demonstrated fact that the R office holders represent their constituents, and the D office holders represent their bosses.  The former generally vote in accordance to the wants of those said constituents; the latter as they are instructed. 

It is actually a demonstrated fact that they represent themselves first and foremost, both D and R, and serve their lust for power, fame, easy money and lifetime benefits above all else.  Constituents are merely the ticket to board the gravy train.

[Pat Riot]

41 minutes ago, PowderRiverCowboy said:

I am Not qualified for that Job I am not PC , I just the f bomb like a comma , and I have morals But would repeal the NFA  

 

32 minutes ago, Chantry said:

 

I'm not qualified either, I lack the patience and the idea of compromise with some of the members of Congress would be unacceptable.  I'd make a great king or dictator until the power corrupted me and I needed to be locked up or assassinated. 

I would make a great Congressman until they pigeonholed me, took away my power then found a way to get rid of me because I would not play nice and I sure as heck wouldn’t play their kickback games. 

[PowderRiverCowboy]

56 minutes ago, Chantry said:

 

I'm not qualified either, I lack the patience and the idea of compromise with some of the members of Congress would be unacceptable.  I'd make a great king or dictator until the power corrupted me and I needed to be locked up or assassinated. 

So , you mean piss off Hillary or have something on her ?:)

[Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme]

14 hours ago, Rip Snorter said:

McCarthy did not keep the promises he made to finally be confirmed after fifteen votes.  You keep your word as a man of honor.  Gone is good.

You are seriously talking about keeping promises in politics.....????????

[Rip Snorter]

4 minutes ago, Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme said:

You are seriously talking about keeping promises in politics.....????????

Well, I suppose most politicians are a different life form, they are certainly held to different standards ethically and legally.

[Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme]

Just now, Rip Snorter said:

Well, i suppose most politicians are a different life form, they are certainly held to different standards ethically and legally.

+100

[Subdeacon Joe]

2 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

That's a funny clip but that's not what happened here. McCarthy didn't "Cave in" to all the dems demands.

 

No, not everything, but quite a bit of it.  But then, as every party in party in a haggle, they ask far more than they expect.  And the GOP almost alway gives them something between what they expect and what they demanded.

[Rye Miles #13621]

23 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

No, not everything, but quite a bit of it.  But then, as every party in party in a haggle, they ask far more than they expect.  And the GOP almost alway gives them something between what they expect and what they demanded.

Reagan said something like, "70% is better than nothing or maybe it was 50% but I think that's what McCarthy was trying to do. He was actually trying to get something done! Just MHO

[Trailrider #896]

Some people may say that Gaetz and eight or nine other R's were revolting against the Speaker. Frankly, I think there are at least 634 people in Congress who are revolting! Then add in a bunch in the Executive Branch! 

[Cypress Sun]

 

None them in the last 40 years have been the speaker of MY house. Regardless of party affiliation, none of them speak for the average American citizen. They sure as hell don't represent me!

[Rye Miles #13621]

The democrats ate overjoyed !! They’re probably planning a  party as we speak!

[Trailrider #896]

It is apparently a little-known fact that you do NOT have to be a Congressman to be elected Speaker of the House!  While I might otherwise qualify, I wouldn't qualify because I will neither lie, cheat or steal, nor tolerate those among me who do!  Therefore, please withdraw my name from consideration! 

[Abilene Slim SASS 81783]

Gaetz and his cronies have managed to derail their own train. I have yet to hear a coherent plan of what’s next. Just a bunch of meaningless rhetoric. 

[J-BAR #18287]

The Democats have been able to blame Republicans for Congress's failures since the Republicans had the "majority".  Now the Democrats can continue to hurt the country with their programs for another year and 3 months.  Voters may wise up and give Republicans a big enough majority to actually get things done.  If that doesn't happen, losing the Speakership won't make any difference in the long run.

[bgavin]

Here is the Long Game: 
The GOP elects Trump as Speaker of the House.
One does not have to be a sitting member of Congress to be elected.

The GOP then impeaches Biden, followed by Harris, and Trump becomes interim president.

< poof >
And then I wake up, realize it was just a dream, and the GOP has neither the brains nor the spine to play the Long Game.

McCarthy should man up and leave with some dignity.
After 13+ failed election attempts, he agreed to the conditions of a "no confidence" ouster.
McCarthy sided with Democrats on spending bills, and showed us the RINO he actually is.
Gaetz used McCarthy's rules and ousted him with a no confidence vote.

Instead of manning up, McCarthy is throwing insults (just like the Democrat does).
If he had a race card, he would play it. but he has none.  It must suck for him to be white.
 

[John Kloehr]

I think Gaetz has just damaged the country at least as much as the shutdown he was not able to bring about would have done. He and his handful of cohorts.

 

That group will probably do well in the next couple elections, but the pendulum is going to swing away from them, the middle (as narrow as it is) is going to move in the wrong direction for some years to come.

 

I expect the courts to actually help limit some of this; our founders put some good systems in place and I think the institutions will survive and correct over time.

 

I do respect him and his squad for having and holding values. I agree with some of them. But governance requires moving forward on what is agreed upon, not what is disagreed upon. The Speaker ultimately did this by keeping our government open and Gaetz handed the Dems a greater prize than they could have ever got on their own.

 

While he and his squad may be safe in the next election, I fear there are just as many seats which may flip the wrong way at the polls. These are seats closer to the middle. He and his friends may end up missing those they now deem Rinos.

[Charlie Harley, #14153]

30 minutes ago, John Kloehr said:

I think Gaetz has just damaged the country at least as much as the shutdown he was not able to bring about would have done. He and his handful of cohorts.

 

That group will probably do well in the next couple elections, but the pendulum is going to swing away from them, the middle (as narrow as it is) is going to move in the wrong direction for some years to come.

 

I expect the courts to actually help limit some of this; our founders put some good systems in place and I think the institutions will survive and correct over time.

 

I do respect him and his squad for having and holding values. I agree with some of them. But governance requires moving forward on what is agreed upon, not what is disagreed upon. The Speaker ultimately did this by keeping our government open and Gaetz handed the Dems a greater prize than they could have ever got on their own.

 

While he and his squad may be safe in the next election, I fear there are just as many seats which may flip the wrong way at the polls. These are seats closer to the middle. He and his friends may end up missing those they now deem Rinos.

Well said, John.

[Rip Snorter]

The greatest risks are the Commiecrats ignoring the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and their apparent invulnerability to the rule of law.  Once they proved they could steal votes as needed, we discovered we (opposed to their agenda) are all in grave danger.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

47 minutes ago, John Kloehr said:

While he and his squad may be safe in the next election, I fear there are just as many seats which may flip the wrong way at the polls. These are seats closer to the middle. He and his friends may end up missing those they now deem Rinos.

I think that you're giving the American citizens too much credit. The election is over a year away. The attention span of most Americans is about as long as the latest Taylor Swift song. They're not going to remember this next week, let alone by the next election. By the time the election rolls around, it's going to be a popularity contest between whoever the candidates wind up being. The American voter is going to fall into two basic categories, with two sub-categories. 

Main categories: who they like or who they hate. Party affiliation may or may not matter, it'll be the hype.

Sub-categories: whoever is the same party as the Presidential candidate of their choice, or whoever has the party identifier, (R or D), that they always vote for. 

[watab kid]

i agree the attention span is short and they will vote as they feel at that moment , sad as these last couple years have crippled us 

[Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme]

12 hours ago, Charlie Harley, #14153 said:

Well said, John.

+1

[bgavin]

I understand the sentiment, but I have to disagree.
America is already massively damaged... the Trump show trials are evidence of this.
The persecution of the husband and wife defending their home in Missouri against BLM.
Boys in girls sports, showers and toilets.

McCarthy is a demonstrated RINO who has already caved on previous spending bills.
He has shown his true colors, and by his own rules (after 13 election tries) McCarthy has been shown the door.
The GOP is either complicit, or just plain stupid, because they cannot comprehend the Democrat plays Lenin's "Advance by Retreat" long game.

I am 100% fed up with  13% racists who constantly play their race card.
That moron Bowman who pulled the fire alarm to disrupt a vote is a prime example.
As a former school principal, he KNOWS about fire alarms and drills, yet he plays his race/nazi card and makes me want to puke.
The sad part:  America goes along with his baloney instead of running him out of town in tar and feathers.

 

 

[Marshal Dan Troop 70448]

On 10/4/2023 at 9:48 AM, Pat Riot said:

 

I would make a great Congressman until they pigeonholed me, took away my power then found a way to get rid of me because I would not play nice and I sure as heck wouldn’t play their kickback games. 

I agree. Show me a poor Congressman or one just living paycheck to paycheck or how he's going to pay his Medical Bills? Ever see one broke after they left office?

[Marshal Dan Troop 70448]

2 hours ago, bgavin said:

I understand the sentiment, but I have to disagree.
America is already massively damaged... the Trump show trials are evidence of this.
The persecution of the husband and wife defending their home in Missouri against BLM.
Boys in girls sports, showers and toilets.

McCarthy is a demonstrated RINO who has already caved on previous spending bills.
He has shown his true colors, and by his own rules (after 13 election tries) McCarthy has been shown the door.
The GOP is either complicit, or just plain stupid, because they cannot comprehend the Democrat plays Lenin's "Advance by Retreat" long game.

I am 100% fed up with  13% racists who constantly play their race card.
That moron Bowman who pulled the fire alarm to disrupt a vote is a prime example.
As a former school principal, he KNOWS about fire alarms and drills, yet he plays his race/nazi card and makes me want to puke.
The sad part:  America goes along with his baloney instead of running him out of town in tar and feathers.

 

 

Between the D and Rs, one thing for certain, the Ds stick together come Hell or High Water. Now the Rs have a problem, either they aren't true Rs and fooled their voters, or they were easy preys for corruption and getting rich.

But seriously, when it takes 13 Election try's to vote in a Speaker, there's a serious problem with politicians that say they are Rs. 

Those that have them, need to remember come elections.

[Pat Riot]

I think tar and feathers all around in both houses of Congress. Line em all up and let the party begin. We’ll need volunteers with good backs for the fence rails. Run em all out and start over. 
You know what? Even better, we’ll just load them into box cars and send them to Mexico. They can get back the same way they allow all the other illegal aliens to get into the U.S.  

Any of their aides whine, they can go too. Any press that shows up can go as well. 
We’ll call it “The Freedom Train!”

We’ll be free of all their (butts). Any that head back toward Wash. DC will be treated to the same party and sent back to Mexico again. 
It’ll be glorious!
 

“Pat! Pat! Pat Riot WAKE UP!”

Oh, Man! That was all a dream?