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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/sep/8/michelle-lujan-grisham-issues-order-to-suspend-ope/

 

https://danaloesch.substack.com/p/breaking-new-mexico-governor-suspends?publication_id=84836&utm_campaign=email-post-title&r=7g6u&fbclid=IwAR1i3ZmkUf2oo5YXX_YHsb_YKEZwqwzVJzBWVdei3vRwKrJP67qbA2O5MYo

 

Lujan Grisham referenced several recent shootings in Albuquerque in issuing the order. Among them was a suspected road rage shooting Wednesday outside a minor league baseball stadium that killed 11-year-old Froyland Villegas and critically wounded a woman as their vehicle was peppered with bullets while people left the game.

 

Last month, 5-year-old Galilea Samaniego was fatally shot while asleep in a motor home. Four teens entered the mobile home community in two stolen vehicles early on Aug. 13 and opened fire on the trailer, according to police. The girl was struck in the head and later died at a hospital.

 

The governor also cited an August shooting death in Taos County of 13-year-old Amber Archuleta. A 14-year-old boy shot and killed the girl with his father’s gun while they were at his home, authorities said.

 

There is zero evidence that a LTC holder was behind the death of the 11 year-old. The five year-old was killed by a group of teenagers in illegal possession of a firearm who committed a drive-by. The 13 year-old was killed by another teen, who was charged with homicide; and the father charged preexisting negligence law. At no point do open or concealed carry factor in to any of these crimes nor is there any, at all, evidence showing that concealed carry permit holders are the people driving the crime rate. Grisham is simply punishing the innocent for the illegal actions of criminals. If prohibited persons are willfully violating the law to illegally carry then banning all carry isn’t going to have any effect, either — except on innocent people’s ability to defend themselves.

 

Albuquerque’s crime rate has steadily risen for the past several years with the cause attributed to the former Soros-backed DA, now AG of New Mexico, Raúl Torrez.

 

Albuquerque Police Chief Gorden Eden said the recent spike was in part due to the case management order that went into effect in 2015. The state Supreme Court order that only affected the Albuquerque area aimed to reduce the population in jail by moving cases through the courts more quickly.

 

“With the case management order we started to see cases being dismissed by the District Attorney’s office and started to see the jail population decrease,” Eden said. “Quite frankly, what I think happened is there were just too many decisions being made in the criminal justice system and that has created a real perfect storm for our state and for the 2nd judicial district.”

 

The DA was busy dismissing cases right and left and the clueless governor doesn’t understand why crime is on the rise? The new DA isn’t any better: a Grisham hand-picked establishment Democrat who was accused of directing staffers to publish stolen emails that included receipts about underwear purchases from former Susana Martinez.

 

Blue cities like Albuquerque have a murder problem — and a judicial rot problem. Grisham citing a “public health emergency” is exactly why Second Amendment supporters reject this specious claim by anti-Second Amendment advocates to classify felonious actions and prohibited carry as a “health issue.”

 

No way this edict survives the guaranteed court battle, especially post Bruen.

 

The only issue here are Democrats who enable repeat offenders to further brutalize

innocent citizens.

 

 

 

 

 

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Excellent post, SDJ.

 

We have a problem in this country and it's not the Second Amendment.

 

 

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  • Subdeacon Joe changed the title to Her Oath To The Constitution "is not absolute."

The "emergency " she is using to make these laws is one that she herself is at least partly responsible for.

Revolving door courts and liberal judges have been her legacy so far to the people of New Mexico.

Thank goodness for term limits!

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The hell you say, I swornan oath 2 time to the constitution and have never been relieved of my oath. It is absolute 

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19 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

No way this edict survives the guaranteed court battle, especially post Bruen.

 

 

They'll find a way, or simply, just create a way.

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Challenges pending, In the mean time for out friends in Albuquerque:

 

From: https://apnews.com/article/albuquerque-guns-governor-concealed-carry-firearms-3fbe91683934057fe3036ccf187a7f1c

 

Lujan Grisham said state police would be responsible for enforcing what amount to civil violations carrying a fine of up to $5,000. Residents still can transport guns to private locations like a gun range or gun store if the firearm is in a container or has a trigger lock or mechanism making it impossible to discharge.

 

Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller and Police Chief Harold Medina said city police won’t enforce the order, and Bernalillo County Sheriff John Allen said he was uneasy about how gun owners might respond.

 

“I am wary of placing my deputies in positions that could lead to civil liability conflicts,” Allen said, “as well as the potential risks posed by prohibiting law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense.”

 

 

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the whole idea that she would say that revolts me - dont run for the office if you cant live with the oath , it is afterall required to hold the office - maybe we should prosecute political types that dont keep their oath ? 

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10 minutes ago, watab kid said:

maybe we should prosecute political types that dont keep their oath ? 

What's the charge?  Breach of promise may be grounds for dismissal (a good start) but is it illegal?  How about treason?

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20 minutes ago, MizPete said:

What's the charge?  Breach of promise may be grounds for dismissal (a good start) but is it illegal?  How about treason?

treason works for me - if you cant keep your oath what do you have to offer those that trusted in you ? i get it that we are no longer represented by those that we elect to represent us , i get it that they are in it for their own wealth enhancement , i get it that they believe they are special and above the law and we are all nothing and subserviently supposed to bow down to them  , but what if we choose not to ???what if we choose to hold them accountable ???? 

 

im just speculating on what we might have down the road instead of the communism we are getting forced down our throats , im just wondering if there will be they same patriotism there was in 1776 ? im just curious how we ever devolved to the lows we are currently experiencing and why we let it get this far ? 

 

im just not a commie and i do believe in our constitution and i do think living up to the oath and accepting it is right , just , what we should expect , vote with your beliefs ...expect those we elect to live up to their promises and reject the communist world order crap they are feeding us - our constitution is fair to all , those principals are important even if we dont always like it - because i dont always like the BS we are getting from those intent on violating our constitution 

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6 hours ago, MizPete said:

What's the charge?  Breach of promise may be grounds for dismissal (a good start) but is it illegal?  How about treason?

18 USC Section 241 - Civil Rights Conspiracy and 242 - Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law

 

The laws are there -- it's time some politicians started answering to them.

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Can only think of one potential solution to all of these political animals trying to maintain their drunken power and desire to remain in political office for financial gain forever.  Getting term limits on congress requires a constitutional convention and that isn't, in the cards probably in our lifetimes.  One thing "We the People" could do to stop much of the crap though is to simply drop party affiliation.  Independent registered voters are now at 41% of the voting population.  Make it 100% and our country may begin to heal.  Never forget the truth - United we Stand, divided we Fall.  All I see going on out there is two parties of career politicians, both living in fear.  They both seem to know they are possibly losing their control over "their people".  It seems nowadays like it is all geared towards power of the party over the people.  Both R & D parties are guilty of this.  I shoot with many good people, both D & R.  The politicians do not seem to understand that there are only two classes of people - Good People and Bad People.  DO NOT let yourself become a Political Pawn! 

 

Just a personal opinion this long term registered independent voter.  Many of you may possibly disagree.  This is good, because peaceful political disagreement is still allowed in America.  This opinion applies to so many issues beyond just firearms. 

 

My 41% number may not be correct.  Do not know if Ballotpedia is counting the states that do not allow political party affiliation of the voters and the like.  Ballotpedia reports for 2023, the rank is registered D, then I, then R is decreasing order.  Study it for yourself like all topics that impact you and your families.  Just like the causes of death reported during Covid.  It always used to be that the combined medical errors were the third leading cause of death in America.  That data seems nowhere to be found these days. Our media is fully manipulated by the politicians.  No laws on the books to stop it.  We ARE the Pawns.

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Critical thought process of a politician:

 

"How dare you evil gun owners defy me because I am your NM commander in chief.  I made a legal declaration to ban the carrying of firearms in a specific geographical area of my state during a public health emergency.  It is considered insurrection to defy me, your elected governor.  Voters just reelected me to a second term as your governor; my mandate will stand."

 

Sounds like so far, the sworn LE in New Mexico are operating lawfully and cooler heads will prevail.

 

Do Not become a Political Pawn.  Enough said.

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6 hours ago, Lawdog Dago Dom said:

Is the Governor married?

 

I wonder if she thinks her vows are/were absolute?

 

Married or not, the New Mexico governor and the california governor could breed and start a new species....

 

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28 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

 

Married or not, the New Mexico governor and the california governor could breed and start a new species....

 

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I've gone to bed with happier thoughts . . . .

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On 9/9/2023 at 7:39 PM, John Kloehr said:

Challenges pending, In the mean time for out friends in Albuquerque:

 

From: https://apnews.com/article/albuquerque-guns-governor-concealed-carry-firearms-3fbe91683934057fe3036ccf187a7f1c

 

Lujan Grisham said state police would be responsible for enforcing what amount to civil violations carrying a fine of up to $5,000. Residents still can transport guns to private locations like a gun range or gun store if the firearm is in a container or has a trigger lock or mechanism making it impossible to discharge.

 

Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller and Police Chief Harold Medina said city police won’t enforce the order, and Bernalillo County Sheriff John Allen said he was uneasy about how gun owners might respond.

 

“I am wary of placing my deputies in positions that could lead to civil liability conflicts,” Allen said, “as well as the potential risks posed by prohibiting law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense.”

 

 

Ok, so she makes up laws and the fines too?

 

This is an extreme example of the basic problem of emergency/executive orders…..

 

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6 minutes ago, Dirty Dan Dawkins said:

Ok, so she makes up laws and the fines too?

Hmm. I'll guess some existing legislation authorizes the governor to declare a state of emergency with that penalty. She then chose this situation as sufficient to declare such a state of emergency. Just a guess, but for sure the governor can not actually legislate.

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1 hour ago, Michigan Slim said:

I don't open carry. I sure as heck would if this happens here.

 

It's not 'if' but 'when'. 

 

Thinks like this are always part of a large ploy,  If nothing comes of challenging this, it will be ready to implement in other States.

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Just now, Cemetery said:

 

It's not 'if' but 'when'. 

 

Thinks like this are always part of a large ploy,  If nothing comes of challenging this, it will be ready to implement in other States.

Sadly, you're correct.

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again , we need to rid ourselves of these political animals that only seek to better themselves at our expense , until we do - we are on the road to perdition.....anyone that dont know how that ends should look it up , its a great movie and i liked tom hanks in it , not making light - it does not look pretty in that end , 

 

communism said it would take us from within , they are well on their way to doing so and we are watching from the sidelines in wonderment of what they come up with next ,  

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16 hours ago, Texas Joker said:

We already have term limits. They are called elections. 

True.

 

I completely agree with the idea that term limits is a good idea in general, but what I tend to find is that while there are plenty of people who want to term limit everyone, for the most part a person who wants term limits just wants them for someone else's policriminal.

 

It's hard to imagine sometimes, but for the most part, every terrible politician in office was voted into it. If term limits got rid of one bad person, it's just as likely that the voters who sent the first bad one will choose another cut from the same cloth (Chicago's 2022 mayoral election, for example).

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18 hours ago, Pb Mark said:

Getting term limits on congress requires a constitutional convention and that isn't, in the cards probably in our lifetimes. 

A good thing, too.

 

Look at the money, gamesmanship, backroom dealings, underhanded tricks, and downright skullduggery that goes into electing national politicians.

 

Can you imagine how much amending the Constitution would bring?

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An oldie but goody….. Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns!

 

 

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