PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 5,141 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 PAGE 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Rance - SASS # 54090 322 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: PAGE 2 1 hour ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: PAGE 2 Huh?? Link to post Share on other sites
Hillbilly Drifter 988 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: PAGE 2 patiently biding time, DURING the Super Bowl. PRICELESS Link to post Share on other sites
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 3,121 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 said: I say the ammo was carried to the line legally and safely placed onto a prop. So it was dropped on a prop, making it a “drop prop”? Link to post Share on other sites
Tennessee williams 2,429 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 8 hours ago, McCandless said: On a frozen day, I'm not saying I'd actually call it. Probably I'd just laugh. Just putting out there what the rules actually say. There's a lot of stuff that goes on in various circumstances that we wouldn't and couldn't do in a major match. I probably wouldn't be allowed to use my .45-70 as my main match rifle like I sometimes do at a local match, (properly downloaded to cowboy .45 Colt velocities). Slow but fun to do now and then. 45-70? My goodness. Link to post Share on other sites
Chuckwagon McTaggart 62 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Waiting patiently for page 4......... Link to post Share on other sites
Kirk James 694 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Was the coat at or below the belly button? Link to post Share on other sites
Blast Masterson 160 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 "Shotgun : uses all his ammo and still has one KD standing. Lays open and cl ear shotgun down goes to his coat an d removes two shotgun shells from a pocket returns to shotgun, loa ds and shoots KD which finally goes down." So he did all this stuff, almost certainly taking a heck of a lot more than 5 Seconds to do this which is all the target penalty was, and now we want to Stack some penalties on him? In a Reload situation, if you can't reload your gun in less than 5 Seconds, there's no reason for the reload. Link to post Share on other sites
irish ike, SASS #43615 1,321 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 So I walk to the line and decide my shotgun belt is loose and may fall. So I take it off and place it on the prop. Time to shoot shotgun and so I take my ammo off of the "staged" shotgun belt. So everyone is saying as long as I brought the ammo to the line legally then the shooter can pretty much do what ever! Even though the stage instructions didn't say the shooter could "stage" their ammo. And IMHO this has nothing to do with the dropped round being retrieved rule. The dropped round should have came from a "legal" means of bringing ammo to the line. This scenario is not a dropped round. How long it took the shooter to retrieve the rounds and it being winter and it being a monthly shoot shouldn't come into play what would the call be at Winter Range or EOT? Ike Link to post Share on other sites
Ace_of_Hearts 1,172 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Ammunition required for loading/reloading during the course of any stage must be carried on the shooter’s person, in a bandoleer, cartridge/shot shell belt loop, pouch, holster, pocket, or be safely staged as required by stage instructions. Link to post Share on other sites
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 1,007 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Ah, but the stage inst. didn't say he COULDN'T stage ammunition... Link to post Share on other sites
Tyrel Cody 5,264 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 47 minutes ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said: Ah, but the stage inst. didn't say he COULDN'T stage ammunition... He didn't stage any ammunition, he staged his coat. Link to post Share on other sites
Carolina Gunslinger 100 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 In a sport where everyone "knows" the rules, but nobody actually "knows the rules"...onward to page three! Link to post Share on other sites
Wyatt 250 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I’m not making a call until I either have photographic evidence or a complete understanding of the style, color, length, weight and material of the said jacket Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 5,141 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Ace_of_Hearts said: Ammunition required for loading/reloading during the course of any stage must be carried on the shooter’s person, in a bandoleer, cartridge/shot shell belt loop, pouch, holster, pocket, or be safely staged as required by stage instructions. Link to post Share on other sites
Carolina Gunslinger 100 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: But it's not page four yet! You promised! What are we working for now? Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 5,141 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Carolina Gunslinger said: But it's not page four yet! You promised! What are we working for now? Just pointing out the 2nd option (besides "on the shooter's person") in the quoted rule. Feel free to carry on with the discussion. Link to post Share on other sites
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 2,146 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 My $.02 -- Imis in search of the revered page 4 Link to post Share on other sites
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 1,007 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Tyrel Cody said: He didn't stage any ammunition, he staged his coat. And the ammunition was legally in the coat, hence it was staged. Link to post Share on other sites
Juiceharp Jen 52 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 So is it “staged in an approved manner” or “staged as required by stage instructions?” We have two quotes uothread. Are they different rules? if the first, there’s room to argue that the approval need not be written in the stage instructions and can even be given after the fact. Link to post Share on other sites
Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 125 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Trying for page four. Since the coat was staged was the pocket open and empty after he retrieve the SG shells ? Nawlins Link to post Share on other sites
Tyrel Cody 5,264 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Was he shooting Black Powder, Smokeless, or a BP substitute? Link to post Share on other sites
Carolina Gunslinger 100 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Well they should have been Black Powder so that he could smoke it up and make good his escape after exhausting his ammunition supply. Link to post Share on other sites
Clay Thornton 110 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Was the coat period correct, because if not then I would think penalty, if it was then he is ok. ***Assisting in the drive to page 4*** Link to post Share on other sites
Yul Lose 6,746 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Clay Thornton said: Was the coat period correct, because if not then I would think penalty, if it was then he is ok. ***Assisting in the drive to page 4*** A 5 second bonus for period correct outerwear used as ammunition staging device. Link to post Share on other sites
Crawdaddy 25 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Maybe he’s going for a clean match! Link to post Share on other sites
Carolina Gunslinger 100 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Still short of page three...it's like page two will never end! Link to post Share on other sites
Widder, SASS #59054 8,009 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 The question no-one has ask: Was the shooter 'PWB'? ..........Widder Link to post Share on other sites
Carolina Gunslinger 100 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: The question no-one has ask: Was the shooter 'PWB'? ..........Widder No if that was the case the heading would have been, "You'd never believe what he did!" Link to post Share on other sites
Poet Jones 99980 31 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Coat? We don't need no stinkin' coats here in SoFlo!!! However, the heat here has on occasion caused me to remove my vest and shoot in shirtsleeves! Totally unrelated I know...Come on Page 4! Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky R. K. 77 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Are we there yet? Lucky Link to post Share on other sites
Tyrel Cody 5,264 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lucky R. K. said: Are we there yet? Lucky Nope, about 40 more posts to go. Link to post Share on other sites
Grizzly Dave 962 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I guess I should do my part. About 39 more posts to go. Link to post Share on other sites
Blast Masterson 160 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Crawdaddy said: Maybe he’s going for a clean match! Or maybe he was there to just have some fun... He obviously was not trying for an advantage over any other shooter. He made the shotgun safe. This weekend shoot I saw three exception to the rules and stage directions so the shooter could participate in this "Game". If anyone said "No", or pulled out the rule book, I believe they would be run off the range... Ya'll ask how to keep and increase membership. I'd recommend you purists consider those that are not there to beat the clock, or you may find yourselves left picking up your own brass. On to page four! Link to post Share on other sites
Blast Masterson 160 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Poet Jones 99980 said: Coat? We don't need no stinkin' coats here in SoFlo!!! However, the heat here has on occasion caused me to remove my vest and shoot in shirtsleeves! Totally unrelated I know...Come on Page 4! Must be nice! I have been shooting in the 'Grits from Heaven' at 9 degrees F. Stage rules are 'do the best you can, safely'! We don't care what they are doing at Winter Range... Link to post Share on other sites
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