H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Looking over options in our game, we see that every model Winchester, including the Henry, has been reproduced by modern replica makers. So has the Colt Burgess and Lighting. So has the Spencer. No third party had reproduced the Marlins, but they are still made by the people who own the name, And I think that's pretty much it. Things like the Evans, Whitney-Kennedy, Jennings, and Volcanic have not been reproduced. Nor have other guns that I'll be honest and say that I am unware of. I think there is a reason for that. The things that have been reproduced are well known, and iconic. They also have pretty simple and relatively inexpensive actions to redesigned. Other things are either too obscure, or would be to expensive to recreate at an affordable price. But with that said, if the reproduction makers could be persuaded, what would you like to see them make? Personally, I think a Volcanic that has been modernized to shoot cartridges is the most practical. It's not all that different from a Henry internally, (well, it would need an extractor) but it does look noticeably different. We've seen stories here on the Wire of people making (visual) recreations of both the rifle and the pistol that can shoot modern ammo, so it is theoretically doable. As much as I'd love to see an Evans, I think even with modern production methods that it would be stupid expensive to reproduce. And the others I think are just too obscure to generate any interest. At least, that's how I ponder it. (Are you pondering what I'm pondering?) I hope you will all excuse this random musing. Being out of work for chemotherapy causes one's mind to wander a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waimea Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Didn't know you were on chemo. Hope that's going ok for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Gun Barney, SASS #2428 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Honestly, I want a Reid My Friend, and I have no idea why other than I saw one in a Gun and Ammo magazine when I was a kid and have lusted after it since. When I was younger (and with a much thinner wallet), I would occasionally see them at gun shows. I want one to shoot, not to keep in a safe, so a modern made replica would be better than an original. So that is my choice for an obscure modern replica.... since you asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 While there seem to be still plenty of original 1897 pump guns available in the US, they are really hard to get here in Switzerland. So, I hope that the Chinese (or anybody else) will resume producing 97 replicas some day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Jake Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I'd like to see a Marlin 94 that looks like a Marlin 94, with crescent buttplate, thin forearm, and steel nosecap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Nelson #19958 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 A gatlin gun that uses either .357/.38 or .45 colt. Could be 3/4 size but no smaller. Not that I could afford to shoot it. Doc Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 A Merwin Hulbert repro. Just for the cool factor at the ULT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Pete Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I know this may cause a lot of groans ... but ... (And I know) the chemo story ... (geese ... are we all on chemo this month??!?) ... Anyhow ... before Mr.C started screwing with me I shot a couple of months of local USPSA matches (Sept-Nov). I had never shot 9mm before (usually 40 or 38SC in a S&W revolver) but noticed that was one caliber I could get fairly reasonably in bulk (<$350 per 1000) ... . Soooooooo ... I bought myself a 9mm pistol to shoot Production; Steel etc ... AND ... started buying a lot of 9mm online. (and the Dillon just sits there and watches). I am feeling pretty good these days and will be getting back into the game ASAP ... but then .... I noticed Uberti has announced they now have a Cattleman revolver in 9mm (and there are cylinders out there hopefully) ... . All things considered I probably have a lifetime supply of powder and primers ... BUT ... I mean ... these guys are already loaded and ready to go. Just sayin' Anything to keep the fat lady from stepping out on the stage .... https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/new-for-2022-uberti-1873-cattleman-in-9mm-luger/ https://www.ammobuy.com/ammo/handgun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 An 1860 Henry Chambered for the Henry Centerfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Sombra Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 46 minutes ago, Hoss said: A Merwin Hulbert repro. Just for the cool factor at the ULT! @Hoss nailed it. A M&H in 44-40. La Sombra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 38 minutes ago, La Sombra said: @Hoss nailed it. A M&H in 44-40. La Sombra Opentop with skull crusher grips and scoop flutes, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Doc Nelson #19958 said: A gatlin gun that uses either .357/.38 or .45 colt. Could be 3/4 size but no smaller. Not that I could afford to shoot it. Doc Nelson Somebody's marketing a small Gatlin in 9mm that uses Glock mags. As soon as I saw it, I thought, I want one in .45 ACP that uses Thompson mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I would like to see a S&W Double Action made in single action, so we could use it in this game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawhorse Kid Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1877 Colts with modern internals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Sawhorse Kid said: 1877 Colts with modern internals. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seamus McGillicuddy Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Hoss said: A Merwin Hulbert repro. Just for the cool factor at the ULT! As I recall this was in the works some years back. People were making down payments to be the first to purchase until the would be manufacturer realized they could never make them at anything like a reasonable price and chucked the project. Seamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: Opentop with skull crusher grips and scoop flutes, of course. Howdy Like this? Merwin Hulbert Pocket Army, 2nd Model, chambered for 44-40. 9 minutes ago, Seamus McGillicuddy said: As I recall this was in the works some years back. People were making down payments to be the first to purchase until the would be manufacturer realized they could never make them at anything like a reasonable price and chucked the project. Yes, that is pretty much what happened. A firm created a 3D computer model, I don't quite recall if it was this model or not. They even made up some parts from the 3D model and exhibited them at a bunch of gun shows. Unfortunately the project was underfunded and never got beyond making a few parts. Yes, they were taking deposits from potential purchasers, but the project eventually went belly up for lack of enough cash. A while later, another outfit bought up what was left and refunded the deposits to the potential buyers, but the project never went any further. All of which is an abject lesson in why obscure model firearms are not being made. It takes A LOT of up front money to get something like this started, creating 3D models, making tooling, and finally making parts and assembling the product. Without a lot of money up front, and a good sales plan that guarantees sales, nobody is going to make anything out of the ordinary. Cimarron recently partnered with Uberti to produce the S&W American Model, not available from any other distributors. You can bet Cimarron probably had to put a sizeable amount of money up front to get this model produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Somebody's marketing a small Gatlin in 9mm that uses Glock mags. As soon as I saw it, I thought, I want one in .45 ACP that uses Thompson mags. Better yet, https://www.batteryguncompany.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 said: Howdy Like this? Merwin Hulbert Pocket Army, 2nd Model, chambered for 44-40. Exactly like that! Except with an extra shorter barrel, as many originals came. I don't recall if yours is renickled or not, but it is spectacular! Uberti had Mike Harvey's Merwin (it was a plow handle) for a few years and started to reverse engineer it, then decided it would be too expensive. 12 minutes ago, Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 said: ...Cimarron recently partnered with Uberti to produce the S&W American Model, not available from any other distributors. You can bet Cimarron probably had to put a sizeable amount of money up front to get this model produced. A lot of that tooling already existed, but you can bet that Cimarron had to guarantee a certain large number of orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Seamus McGillicuddy said: As I recall this was in the works some years back. People were making down payments to be the first to purchase until the would be manufacturer realized they could never make them at anything like a reasonable price and chucked the project. Seamus They refunded our deposits, I would have rather had the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 hours ago, DeaconKC said: I would like to see a S&W Double Action made in single action, so we could use it in this game! Assuming you mean one of these... Wouldn't one of these fit the bill? Pretty sure there is a reproduction of the NM3 out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1860 Henry with a shorter frame, like the original. This could be chambered for the .44 Russian and Cowboy .45 Special. The long frame in the current reproductions is stretched for the longer .44 WCF and .45 Colt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.K. Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I'd like to see an 1875 Remington in Stainless steel in .44 Mag / .44 Special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Assuming you mean one of these... Wouldn't one of these fit the bill? Pretty sure there is a reproduction of the NM3 out there. Yup, that is what I mean. There is a faux Lightning out there, so why not a S&W lookalike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 10 hours ago, DeaconKC said: Yup, that is what I mean. There is a faux Lightning out there, so why not a S&W lookalike? The Cimarron Lighting, from what I have seen of them, seems to be more of just a smallish SAA than a true SA version of the Lightning. Using the same "style of replication" one could argue that a reproduction of the New Model 3, like the Beretta Laramie, is about as close to a reproduction Model 3 DA as you are likely to get. On the other hand, the USFA Omni-Potent pretty much IS an SA only version of the Colt 1878. (But good luck finding one.) So with all that said, yeah, having an SA version of the S&W Model 3 DA with the big trigger guard would be really cool. What would be cooler though would be to allow for these Frontier DAs to be used in our game, as long as the shooter cocks them SA style. Sometimes at a local match if you ask nicely they will allow people to use them with that proviso. Maybe some sort of a side match for Frontier DAs would be a worthy idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocent Bystander Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 16 hours ago, Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 said: Better yet, https://www.batteryguncompany.com/ Can't imagine what that thing costs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 16 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: Exactly like that! Except with an extra shorter barrel, as many originals came. I don't recall if yours is renickled or not, but it is spectacular! Howdy Again As far as I can tell, that is the original nickel finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Last May, I emailed the manufacturer. You get the gun (tripod mount) and 2 mags and 40 chambers and shipping for $8500. Horace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 17 hours ago, Sawhorse Kid said: 1877 Colts with modern internals. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 17 hours ago, Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 said: Cimarron recently partnered with Uberti to produce the S&W American Model, not available from any other distributors. You can bet Cimarron probably had to put a sizeable amount of money up front to get this model produced. I have one of those, and they are very well made guns. Much more expensive that a replica SAA, but worth the expense. Especially when you consider how expensive an original in good condition costs and then the slightly more than average difficult in making ammo for one to shoot in it. So now the American, Russian, and Schofield are all currently be remade. The Beretta Laramie was a New Model 3, but it only had adjustable sights and as far as I know, was discontinued many years ago. I wonder if Cimarron will do the NM3 next? But as was mentioned above, the Model 3 DA is unlikely to resurface. In the end, yeah, I'd like a modern made NM3 to go with my American and Scofield models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Hooker Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 18 hours ago, Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 said: Howdy Like this? Merwin Hulbert Pocket Army, 2nd Model, chambered for 44-40. Yes, that is pretty much what happened. A firm created a 3D computer model, I don't quite recall if it was this model or not. They even made up some parts from the 3D model and exhibited them at a bunch of gun shows. Unfortunately the project was underfunded and never got beyond making a few parts. Yes, they were taking deposits from potential purchasers, but the project eventually went belly up for lack of enough cash. A while later, another outfit bought up what was left and refunded the deposits to the potential buyers, but the project never went any further. All of which is an abject lesson in why obscure model firearms are not being made. It takes A LOT of up front money to get something like this started, creating 3D models, making tooling, and finally making parts and assembling the product. Without a lot of money up front, and a good sales plan that guarantees sales, nobody is going to make anything out of the ordinary. Cimarron recently partnered with Uberti to produce the S&W American Model, not available from any other distributors. You can bet Cimarron probably had to put a sizeable amount of money up front to get this model produced. DJ has the coolest toys..... (and I wish we had a "jealous" emoji, as well !) Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 45 minutes ago, Red Hooker said: DJ has the coolest toys..... (and I wish we had a "jealous" emoji, as well !) Red Yes, he does. But what about me?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel-eye Steve SASS #40674 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I always hoped someone would do Hall rifle and carbine reproductions. Supposedly there is an outfit in Canada that will build them, but its a special order with a waiting period of at least 5 years. A cap & ball Adams revolver and/or a North Savage would also be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Lefever Single Field shotgun, internal hammer, ejector. This would be a decent option for a shooter looking for something simpler than a SxS or repeating shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 I wouldn't mind someone building a quality '97 again. Just sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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