Make do Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Lately with the rifle I have been ejecting a live round during the string - I can't figure out exactly (I have been trying to go a bit faster) what I am doing - any ideas or exercises to help - I shoot a 66 in 38 special- thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Lever, trigger, lever trigger. Any other combination will cause you problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 You're trying to pull the trigger before the bolt is in battery. Film yourownself and you'll see. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sloe Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Many times your rifle can run faster than you can. A 66 is usually nice and smooth. Back off the speed a little and then speed up a little at a time. Good luck, BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn Through Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 is the safety still in the hammer ? some people fill that in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 I had that problem when I started with an 1873. Coyote Carson showed me how to file the rim off of the top and bottom of a .38 home made snap cap, so the extractor wouldn't eject it. Then I could dry fire practice until I got the timing under control. The dry firing drills worked. After several hundred dry firings, my muscle memory took hold and the jacked out rounds stopped. To make a snap cap, just load a normal length round with no powder or primer. Then fill the flash hole and primer pocket with silicone sealer. File the rim off the top and bottom and your ready to practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk James Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Try spreading two targets 10 ft apart and alternate lever, trigger, lever then move trigger, lever move trigger lever and so on for 10 rounds. Then move the targets in to 8 ft apart and do the same. Move into the spread you would like to be able to shoot in matches. Do not move closer till your getting the results you are looking for. You can do this in dry fire also. Hope it helps and your not going through anything the majority of shooters go through as they work on their speed. Good luck. By the way Palo Verde Gunworks make a snap cap that is sized for your chamber so it doesn't rotate and eject. The kids and I have used the same ones for 9 years. We all have the safeties in our rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 As has been said. You are pulling the trigger prior to the bolt being in battery. It is a common problem with 1866 rifles as they do not have a lever safety. Train yourself that if you hear a click instead of a bang, then reach up and cock that hammer for another try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Make do Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 The rifle still has the safety notch-I appreciate all the suggestions and cant wait to try them out -thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Safety notch is not lever safety! GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringer Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 It can become a problem when trying to go faster. Your timing is off. The exercise Kirk suggested is good. Try increasing the tension on your mainspring if possible. Maybe even a new one. If all else fails maybe a lever lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 "If you slow down you'll have a more harmonious outcome" Wilford Brimley in Crossfire Trail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rance - SASS # 54090 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 I had this problem years ago.. I had been backing off the hammer spring to make it easier levering.. I also was practicing to try to go faster.. I started jacking out rounds which I had never done before.. A friend told me I was out running the hammer.. I didn't figure I could out run the hammer.. I tightened the hammer spring back down.. Problem went away.. Rance Thinkin' maybe just another answer to yer problem.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Ridgeway Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Had the same problem with a 73 when I started going faster. Found out by videoing myself I was late on the trigger and was opening the lever before the lever safety was engaged. I opted for slixprings straight trigger which in addition to being farther forward has less chance of trigger bite. That solved the issue for me. I don't know if there is a similar one for a 66. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltimore Ed Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Trying to run the gun too fast. I’ve done it a few times with my Marlin when I was truly competing but not nowadays. I still run my 1894 pretty fast. You can never go fast enough to make up a miss....or a reload due to jacking one out. Slow down, get the muscle memory working for you and then speed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Quote It is a common problem with 1866 rifles as they do not have a lever safety. The problem is not the rifle - it's simply the operator using it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Never had that Problem can't SEE fast enough to out-run my 66 ..... 2CC plus of Goex solves a lot of Shooter induced problems .... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Jim SASS # 21775 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Another famous saying from the famous Red River Ray......"it's lever- trigger-lever-trigger........not lever-lever dumb ass" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sam, SASS #10915 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 As has been said already, your finger is probably hitting the trigger too soon in the cycle. Since 66’s are no longer made with lever safety’s, the hammer will drop at any time in the cycle that the trigger is pulled. The hammer then follows the bolt forward without enough force to ignite the primer. (That leaves a small dent in the primer causing many to think it was a “bad primer” or too light a mainspring. Correcting the problem is a matter of working on your timing: lever - pull, lever - pull; not lever lever - pull pull. Don’t grind off the safety notch on the hammer though. It won’t help the problem and might contribute to an out of battery discharge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Plus one to tightening the hammer spring up. Some friction in the action seems to help me. When I tried a world class shooter's .38 special chambered 1873 with all the tricks, I couldn't keep up with the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Also since someone mentioned the "safety notch" - check that area and the trigger sear. If you are pulling the trigger a little early, it is very easy to cause wear between the notch and the sear. I reworked mine so it was not as easy to catch, but that is not for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 11/23/2019 at 11:52 PM, Ace_of_Hearts said: It is a common problem with 1866 rifles as they do not have a lever safety. My 66 has one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totes Magoats Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Live fire practice at speed, repeat, repeat, repeat. That will fix it. Totes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Payne Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Lever, trigger, lever trigger. Any other combination will cause you problems. Expert advice from Badlands Bob! It's always good to practice dumps during any practice session. And, no matter how fast you think you're going, think about each lever & each trigger pull as you do it. When you start putting on "automatic pilot", that's the most likely time to jack one (or more). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black RZR Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 My Rossi did that when I shot .38 in it. But when I used .357 it didn't. So I loaded my 357 cases to 38 spec. Then loading longer cases into mag was a problem. Then the shells would get stuck and not eject fired cases...so I figured it was cause it's a Rossi. Bought cimarron 73 in 45lc. Problems solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I'm just trying to figure out what this "Safety Notch" everyone is talking about is. The Uberti 1866 Replica does not have a "safety notch" in the hammer. The Uberti 1866 DOES have a "Half Cock Notch." As mentioned by "others," going fast(er) takes practice. Lots and lots and lots and Lots and ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sam, SASS #10915 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I'm just trying to figure out what this "Safety Notch" everyone is talking about is. The Uberti 1866 Replica does not have a "safety notch" in the hammer. The Uberti 1866 DOES have a "Half Cock Notch." As mentioned by "others," going fast(er) takes practice. Lots and lots and lots and Lots and ............. Great CC! I think you’ve got it now. Seriously though, I know that the notch in question is called half cock, but it functions as a safety notch. (Of sorts since it isn’t very safe,). That was to distinguish it’s purpose from that of a half cock on a muzzle loading rifle or the half cock for loading a Colt SAA. The saying “Going off half cocked” didn’t come about by accident - or maybe it did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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