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Dusty Devil Dale

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  1. Don't buy ANY used gun without trying it out for a hundred or more rounds-- or preferably -- having it checked over and tested by a knowledgeable gunsmith with CAS gun experience or a very experienced CAS shooter. You really have no way to know why a gun is being sold, and as a new shooter you cannot tell how it has been modified, or what a kitchen table gunsmith might have errantly accomplished with wrong parts or a Dremel tool. Many clubs have very experienced shooters with a reputation for CAS gun repair and set-up. Most will be glad to assist you, if asked. But don't buy used equipment without knowing for sure what you are buying.
  2. Very nice. A good butt wrap will help protect that shiny finish from LT, ULT, and restaging table debris. But with linseed oil, repair is also pretty easy. Nice job.
  3. At first glance, I thought that title was somebody's Alias.
  4. You're a patient man. Thank you for all the time that you spend shepherding us through all of the threads here. It is appreciated by everyone, I'm sure, even those who may disagree at times. Thank you sincerely. DDD
  5. I was wondering that too. Its been a few years since I needed help getting dressed. (Maybe my appearance shows it).
  6. It seems like this thread is becomming unwieldy, getting into peripheral fields, based on examples, or in some cases, just disbelief that past decisions have been made, whether or not they were properly documented in everyones' view. I'd like to recall attention to Captain Bill Burt's post some pages back. (paraphrasing) There is need to understand the distinction between SASS direction to affiliate clubs, regarding SASS sanctioned matches, and SASS rules imposed on individual shooters. I think that is realistic advice. As a shooter in SASS affiliated matches, I expect to abide by match rules imposed by those clubs that, in turn, must implement SASS's expectations. So SASS policies are required of me as a shooter, at least indirectly through that route. I've now read plenty here, from Snakebite, PWB, and other knowledgeable people, to recognize (as our SASS-affiliate club's MD for monthly matches) that I need to assure that loading is properly observed, per past ROC discussions/decisions. And as a shooter, whether or not a formal shooter rule exists in the SHB or RO Manuals, I have to follow the club and match rules, and accept their penalty decisions pertaining to loading procedures. I confess I did not fully understand that indirect linkage until now. Whether I like it or not, it is a part of the expectation placed upon me as a SASS-connected MD and shooter. Thank you Captain Burk for bringing it to light for me.
  7. Your point is valid. YES, it would be a hazard and a SDQ if carried to the Stage in that condition, but not if caught at the LT. That is why I requested the TO to come over to the LT rather than moving to the starting position. Whether or not they checked all the guns was beyond my control. I realize there are a lot of conditions that a loading observer might not catch, but you hope between the shooter themselves and the second observer, both paying attention, that critical things get noticed and corrected before movement occurs.
  8. 100% agreement. For many years I was an official who had to investigate hunting accidents. 90% of them occurred while leaving the field and while putting "unloaded" firearms into vehicles. Most were grusome shotgun fatalities of family members. I will admit that even with that background I've arrived at home with CAS guns after practicing alone and found a live round in my rifle CHAMBER when I checked it to clean it. It can and does happen. A second set of eyes is absolutely the best assurance.
  9. Actually, I started this drifting thread to try to understand the pertinent rules or lack thereof. Snakebite had no part in it, in fact I think his admonition to just "ask your TG" was aimed principally at me.
  10. No, Yul, I was not. Nothing you've said was in any way disrespectful. Thanks for giving me a chance to clarify. DDD
  11. Thank you Allie. Some here have disrespected Snakebite, possibly without understanding his long history of involvement and contributions to our sport/game and its operational rules. The rules we have today have had a long history of prior deliberation among some very experienced people. When they talk, I tend to listen. There is always more to the story than what I thought I knew.
  12. No, not the rifle. Recently at the Western Regional, the T.O. checked both pistols, but the rifle would be evident enough as soon as it was first levered.
  13. That's a valid thought. There really is a difference, and it might represent the best way to resolve all of this. Thx.
  14. It's the responsibility of the shooter to be checked. I've had situations where when I was called up to shoot, I had to ask the TO to first come over to the LT and check my pistols. They did so willingly and appreciated my effort to conform to procedures.
  15. I think being checked by another shooter is in fact in conformance with current loading requirements. So Snakebite's posse direction is totally consistent.
  16. And I readily acknowledged the error. But the error was contained only in an example that was peripheral to the main thread questions. The thread is about SASS rules, not California gun laws or particular firearms.
  17. I think you're making my point that some guns we are using are not safe if dropped, therefore we need to be sure there is not a live round under the hammer. What guns they happen to be is irrelevant.
  18. You're correct. My error on Ruger's reasoning. But the Ruger lawyers are certainly aware of drop accidents that have occurred on guns with T-bars removed. I am aware of at least one (not in a SASS match) that I understand was a fatality and lawsuit. But again, the thread was not just about this Ruger example. Rather, It was asking about rules affecting the Loading Area; and not necessarily about their justification or propriety. As always, the content drifted.
  19. Whew! I really don't know how to respond. Sensibility appears to be displaced here by personal preferences. We had a fun, safe shoot with as few as 6 on the Posse on several occasions, and we didn't cut any safety corners. We also couldn't do all the Posse chores simultaneously, so it did cost minor delays. But so what if stages took a bit longer for a posse of 6? What else can I say?
  20. Your opinion. Whatever. I agree with the graphic. Some time ago I rec'd the answer to my question, originally posed in my OP. I appreciate all who contributed. We've been over all of the rest of this before many times. We aren't going to change each others' minds with added rhetoric. Let's just agree to disagree and hope we stay accident free. If you shoot at the Kings River Regulators, you will be required to comply with all SASS loading and unloading procedures. It is expected here at the present time.
  21. We've gone over that at least a half-dozen times here previously. We don't need to repeat. Ruger puts them in to pass the "drop test" here in California and some other states. They were not able to pass the test for sale in our state without the transfer bars in place.
  22. Entertaining graphics, but I don't think anybody is talking about adding new, additional rules. My understanding, per Snakebite above, is that the rules already specify a SDQ for failure to follow loading and Unloading "PROCEDURES" (not necessarily just hardened rules). The procedures are pretty well specified. I do realize that it is impossible to eliminate all safety hazards or associated liability. But I believe we can at least address safety needs as simple as this one. I can tell you that despite 5 or 6 people here who have voiced objection, there are a huge number of CAS shooters who expect loading operations to be properly supervised. With typical posse sizes of more than 9 or 10, it isn't too much to accomplish. We do it at every match, as do many other clubs. During the first year of Covid we had posses as small as six. We still covered the LT needs without complaint, by simply watching each other. If I took a position of ignoring that established expectation in our club, I wouldn't last ten minutes as the elected Sheriff. Nor would I want to.
  23. What you're pointing to is the result of advice that teams of attorneys have given to major clients, based on best judgment in our litigious environment. They understand the potential or likely costs, both corporately and individually, of not having strong writtem and enforced safety policies and disclaimers to point to, if/when lawsuits arise. . We don't have attorneys advising us, but if we did, I suspect our safety rules would harden substantially, as would enforcement. None of us want to go to the point where attorneys control our every move. But using good judgment in the case of easy things, like having an LTO, is low hanging fruit. There is no good reason for us not to follow the simple ROC guidance. Really, how difficult is it to follow the established LT procedures? What do we really gain by ignoring obvious sound judgment? What could we lose?
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