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Dusty Devil Dale

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  1. Your mind seems pretty much made up, so I don't think anything I could say is likely to convince you. So rather than another long rhetorical engagement and exchange here, how about if I just drop off. I will say I've seen guns fall over in carts, and I've seen a couple carts tipped over. All but a "few" doing it properly leaves the few who do not. That's it for me on this one. I've said what I have to say. Have a good evening. Hope you get many more years of CAS enjoyment. 93 is a very low number. I'm duly impressed
  2. Hopefully will agree that there is a risk difference between a cased gun in a vehicle, and a free gun rattling around in the rack of a cart. Putting a gun into a case muzzle down isn't really that difficult, after you develop the habit of doing it that way. I guess I am used to shooting where there are separator berms. Taking a down-pointing gun from a cart and carrying it that way until you reach the LT, then raising it pointing at the berm, or downrange doesn't seem impossible. Same re the ULT to cart leg of a stage. I think it is quite doable.
  3. I was actually thinking of hanging the long gun rack from a pair of vertically extended members attached at the top of the cart, with most of gun weight and possibly the ammo box weight hanging below, kind of like a swing. Wheels and handle on one frame, everything else suspended on the swing. This should be fun to design/build. The pivot only really needs to allow 10-15 degrees of swing. If I was into Steampunk, I might stabilize it with a fancy gyro of some kind, mounted atop the cart. Would that be over-the-top? (pun intended)
  4. I really like that concept. Thank you. I think I'll try to build one.
  5. That's all very true. And there isn't really that much recoil difference between a light loaded 12 ga and a factory load 410. I started very young (and small) on a .410 single shot, as a kid. I recall first shooting my dad's 12 ga sxs and remarking that it didn't kick near as hard. Very young kids can shoot a 12 ga with appropriate loads. My tiny wife shoots 3/4 Oz over 12 gn of Extralite, with a 175 (pink) Claybuster wad in STS hulls. It's adequate to KD targets, and bust clay birds--recoil no problem for her.
  6. You've brought back fond memories. When I was a kid, the arrival of a new Herters catalog was always a big deal. I spent hours reading the boastfull ads. I ordered a lot from them, and I never recall receiving anything in less than three or four months, which was tough for an anxious kid. I still have one of their fiberglass and Brazilian Rosewood recurved bows (50#). But the best was ordering one of their George L. Herter over-&-under shotguns for $165. When it finally came, after nearly a year, I discovered it was made in Belgium by Browning and was a fantastic, tight fitting shotgun. I used it for trap, and dove, quail hunting for a number of years, until I lost it in a house fire in 1973. Thanks for the memories.
  7. I don't disagree. That is why I asked about the cart mentioned here, that rotates the log guns muzzle up all of the time. I like muzzle up, but I don't like looking down barrels. There has to be an engineering solution.
  8. I've been taught that ever since I was eight years old, 62 years ago, when I had my first NRA gun safety course. Older folks here will remember it being called the "Ten Commandments of Gun Safety". Some of the commandments have been removed and treated elsewhere or condensed, such as: "Never use ammunition other than what the gun is labeled to shoot". But regardless of changes, the message is the same. Follow the rules and you will enjoy safe shooting.
  9. Fully agree. Maintaining safe muzzle direction afterwards is also important. Thought to be "unloaded guns" have accidentally killed many, many people. Guns safely pointed away from people have never killed anyone, unless they blew up.
  10. Having had the sobering official experience to see the results of a 12 ga. blast at a 11 y-o daughter across a pickup cab, followed by an obvious dad suicide, I can assure you that muzzle direction attention is not a waste of time. Sorry if this is too explicit, but I'm a serious bug about muzzle direction, and always will be. I am welled up, just trying to type this and it was over 25 years ago.
  11. Sounds very interesting. Do you recall how the swivel mechanics worked?
  12. I don't think it is any kind of SASS "rule" per se., except to maintain 170 and not sweep anybody except yourself. Some individual clubs might have muzzle-up rules, so it is wise to check. Like you, I started in trap, and learned as you did. Further, I watched Annie Get Your Gun (1950) last night, again, and she pointed her rifle with total abandon, and swept anybody and everybody who happened to be available at the time/place. MDQ for sure.
  13. Don't you have a ten-year-old neighbor kid that can just do the videography for you. All of them seem to be tech savvy and up-to-date, right up to the last 12 hours.
  14. What powder were you using? Was it very low volume in the case, such as Titegroup? I could see how a hotter primer would help in that situation. Did you ever happen to check to see if the rounds fired equally with the revolver or rifle pointed down v. up?
  15. In a match, we have safeguards in place to assure that guns get emptied after a stage. But occasionally, spent rounds do get through the inspection. Most of us have probably had that SDQ at least once, often after we have a gun problem on a stage, or a disputed call discussion. We do get distracted. So if a spent round can escape a lax inspection, then a live round in a rifle or 97 chamber could also POSSIBLY do so. I do thoroughly understand all the back-up safety mechanics of open actions, etc., so you don't need to counsel me here that they provide back-up assurance. The action being open certainly is a second level of protection-- as long as the lever or slide doesn't get knocked closed, during between-stage gun cleaning, or other gear handling. Most of us have seen more than one inadvertently closed action resting in a cart. And all of that is in a match. But some of us also use our carts for carrying convenience when practicing, which is an entirely different situation. Then there is no ULTO and usually no secondary inspection. No other eyes are watching our levers or slides in our carts. And at the conclusion of practice and roll-up of gear, we usually have a variety of distracting tasks to think about, Not too long ago, a couple days after a practice, I finally got around to cleaning up my guns. I picked up my '73, squirted in some Hoppes No 9, and started to run a swab down the barrel, but I remembered I needed to open the bolt to do so. When I lowered the lever, a LIVE round fell out of the chamber. At the conclusion of practicing I sure thought I had confirmed the guns to be empty. But humans make errors. I certainly did. I had wheeled the gun 100+ yards in the cart, pointed at me. Then I had loaded it into the pickup, likely pointing it at my wife, who was loading gear into the passenger side. I have no way to know if the hammer ever became cocked or bumped in putting the gun into a sleeve and placing it in the truck. That has happened before, though, when sleeve drags back the hammer or a gun in a sleeve gets bumped. I mention this experience because I believe I am ordinarily extremely careful. In my former work, I was involved in many investigations following hunting accidents. So I was called to the active scene of a number of them. Nearly all of them occurred at or near vehicles, either at the beginning or end of a hunt, when people were loading or unloading their guns, putting them into slip cases, or loading them into vehicles. Many of the injured/deceased were family members, and the rest were "best friends" of the shooter. Few accidents ever occurred while in the field hunting, I believe because while hunting people paid higher attention to the status of their guns. But IN EVERY SINGLE CASE OF THOSE ACCIDENTS, safe pointing of the muzzle would have prevented the accident, regardless of any other errors made. People had relied too much on "gun safeties", open actions, and on errantly being positive the guns were unloaded. But muzzle direction always has to be paramount. So please believe that it really can happen to ANY of us, especially as we age, and our memory and attention become lessened. My cart has guns pointing upward, toward whoever pushes the cart. It gives me nightmares, after my recent experience. I certainly do want to modify it to point down. I believe I can more positively keep track of my muzzle direction when I'm handling the gun in my hands, enroute to or from, or at the ULT or LT, to be sure nobody is swept. And downward pointing is much easier to maintain the open breach, on my SxS SG. JMHO. But please never convince yourself that the safety rules alone are enough. Safety takes all of those rules, plus 100% attention to all of the steps and details of the day, and that is very difficult to do 100% of the time.
  16. My original question about gas expansion comes from having the misfortune to pop a few primers in the loading press, once a single primer, and once a chain reaction of about 15. There was a flash of bright flame, and it seemed like at least a small blast of hot air, given that the second, chain detonation, fully blackened my face with soot a foot or two away, and blackened the wall about 3' away. So there evidently is some gas expansion with the combustion produced.
  17. This grew out of another thread concerning knock down power. Questions came up about the difference in power (gas expansion and ignition capability) between small pistol magnum v. small pistol regular primers. Specifically, I was asking if magnum primers might have increased capability to clear a squib, in the absence of powder, such as a failed powder drop. That obviously depends on a number of factors, like barrel length, bullet material density, bullet weight, barrel dimensions, etc. But given equal conditions, are the magnums really more powerful, and how much so. Does anyone have any data or personal experimentation comparing the performance of the two types? ---And while we're at it, how about differences between regular and match grade products. Skip brand differences for now. Let's just talk Federal products, since I think most of use them. Your thoughts and experience, please.
  18. That's about the same as my thinking. I just wondered if there was a huge difference in the primers that would make the magnum ones more reliable, such that they would be a smarter purchase (in general terms). I can't find any data on comparative gas expansion. Yesterday, I loaded a half dozen primer-only loads of each, went outside and fired them, just to see if they sound a lot different. Subjectively, the magnums are quite a bit louder. So last night, I repeated the exercise in the dark. At night there was a much brighter flash, from the magnums, I could see much more flash out the pistol barrel. Maybe that answers my question about which I ought to be buying. I'd still really like to see some data on expansion though. I guess I need to do my experiment in a barrel of water ( obviously kidding)
  19. I was also curious if the magnum primers have enough gas expansion to clear a pistol bullet when no other powder is present, as in a powder drop failure. Has anybody had that kind of experience? I'm sure it all depends on details like bullet diameter and alloy hardness, so what I guess I'm really asking is: Does anybody know the difference in gas expansion between regular and magnum small pistol primers?
  20. Is it possible the mag primers could also save you a squib? Just askin.
  21. Thank YOU for sharing the pics. It's good to know that in this world full of cheap junk, somebody still knows what constitutes good workmanship and quality. Very, very nice.
  22. I am sure "Climate Change" will also be helpful !
  23. I have the steel-tire wooden wheels. While they might look old and authentic, they are comparatively quite expensive. From a practical standpoint, I really don't like them very much. The hubs protrude much further than other kinds of wheels, making maneuvering much harder, and the tread is much too narrow. I rolled a 1-1/2" steel outer tire and welded it over the original 3/4" tread. It pushes more easily, but it still jiggles everything in the cart unnecessarily. At some point, I'll probably switch to more modern wheels.
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