What is this 6 target sweep called? Difficulty?

[Equanimous Phil]

I am not an experienced stage writer yet. Creating a stage with 6 rifle and pistol targets for a monthly. Does this sweep have a name?

 

1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6

 

I think it's a cool sweep for rifle, and also for pistol if you shoot GF. But how much of a P trap respectively PITA do you consider this sweep if you shoot your pistols sequentielly?

 

Thanks, Equanimous Phil

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

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Hermit Joe Sweep: From Piney Woods (SASS#29887, NH), who said it was “… named after its creator.” In his words, “Take six rifle targets and shoot them 1-2-1- 3-1-4-1-5-1-6 and you’ve done it.” 

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IMO...No "P-trap" for revolvers (GF or not).

 

[Equanimous Phil]

Many thanks for this helpful link!

[The Rainmaker, SASS #11631]

I don't see this as a P trap and the only trouble I can see with it for myself would be the overswing going back and forth, 'specially with long and/or heavier rifles.

[Captain Bill Burt]

It certainly isn’t what I would call a fast sweep, but it isn’t a P trap, just a more challenging sweep than some others I can think of.

[OK Dirty Dan]

At my club we do something very similar but with five targets. We call it a Gunfighter Sweep: 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 3, 1, 4, 1, 5

[Equanimous Phil]

Thank you both for your comments, Rainmaker and CBB!

As we shoot like 99% continuous sweeps in our club, I am trying to provide one stage with with somewhat more "swing" without being a brain squeezer.

 

Follow up question: Are Gunfighters usually used to start with either hand? To keep it easier for the spotters, I wouldn't want to allow the shooter to start on either end with the sweep. 

[Itchy Trigger]

Challenging/Slow, Not P.

 

I like to see 1-2 slower/harder stages like this where you have to think, but I don't want to see all of the stages like this though. ;-)

[Equanimous Phil]

4 minutes ago, OK Dirty Dan said:

At my club we do something very similar but with five targets. We call it a Gunfighter Sweep: 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 3, 1, 4, 1, 5

 

Thank you! Do you allow the shooter to start on either end?

The steel targets I use for this stage are in sets of three, that kind of limits the options. I cannot remove the 6th target.

[Equanimous Phil]

4 minutes ago, Itchy Trigger said:

I like to see 1-2 slower/harder stages like this where you have to think, but I don't want to see all of the stages like this though. ;-)

 

Exactly what I think, too! Add some variety in some stages 

[Count Sandor, SASS #74075]

In our neck of the woods this is called an "Anchor Sweep," with T-1 being the "anchor." It usually shows up a couple of times during our shooting season. We usually allow sweeps to start from either end, but if a Match Director chooses to specify a starting point, we have been known to paint the anchor target a different color as a visual aid.  Starting the 2nd pistol on T-4 takes a small bit of attention on the shooter's part, but we're more likely to hear some grumbling about all the swinging back and forth than about the sweep being a "P"-trap.  For variety, it can also be engaged 6-1-5-1-4-1-3-1-2-1.

 

CS

[The Rainmaker, SASS #11631]

39 minutes ago, Equanimous Phil said:

Thank you both for your comments, Rainmaker and CBB!

As we shoot like 99% continuous sweeps in our club, I am trying to provide one stage with with somewhat more "swing" without being a brain squeezer.

 

Follow up question: Are Gunfighters usually used to start with either hand? To keep it easier for the spotters, I wouldn't want to allow the shooter to start on either end with the sweep. 

Starting on either end for sweeps is always a good idea. Being a left-handed long gun shooter and preferring to start my rifle sweeps on the right, it allows choices for shooters to decide which way works best for them. Folks like choices and I love to watch the gears spinning as they try to figure out the best way to hit the stage.

[Ozark Huckleberry]

1 hour ago, Captain Bill Burt said:

It certainly isn’t what I would call a fast sweep, but it isn’t a P trap, just a more challenging sweep than some others I can think of.

It doesn’t sound like a P trap, but I’d more than likely get lost on which target was next after swinging back and forth, like — once. 

[Garrison Joe, SASS #60708]

Put the common #1 target on a lower stand in front of the other targets, and most folks' memory works better.  Still get the gun swing, but folks don't have to think so hard to remember the next back row target to shoot.

 

good luck, GJ

[Assassin]

1 minute ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:

Put the common #1 target on a lower stand in front of the other targets, and most folks' memory works better.  Still get the gun swing, but folks don't have to think so hard to remember the next back row target to shoot.

 

good luck, GJ

That's what we do in this area. It's an Anchor sweep around here.

[Equanimous Phil]

15 minutes ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:

Put the common #1 target on a lower stand in front of the other targets, and most folks' memory works better.  Still get the gun swing, but folks don't have to think so hard to remember the next back row target to shoot.

Can not alter the stand of the target, but will spray paint the anchor as Count Sander proposed.

[Captain Bill Burt]

Little touches like that can make a big difference.

[OK Dirty Dan]

2 hours ago, Equanimous Phil said:

 

Thank you! Do you allow the shooter to start on either end?

The steel targets I use for this stage are in sets of three, that kind of limits the options. I cannot remove the 6th target.

Generally speaking we write our stages such that you can engage left-to-right or right-to-left at the shooter’s discretion. Helps left handed shooters and Duelists particularly, I find. 

[Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903]

9 hours ago, Equanimous Phil said:

I am not an experienced stage writer yet. Creating a stage with 6 rifle and pistol targets for a monthly. Does this sweep have a name?

 

1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6

 

I think it's a cool sweep for rifle, and also for pistol if you shoot GF. But how much of a P trap respectively PITA do you consider this sweep if you shoot your pistols sequentielly?

 

Thanks, Equanimous Phil

I have shot and set up something similar with target 1 in front and center of the others.

 

Randy

[Sedalia Dave]

4 hours ago, Equanimous Phil said:

Thank you both for your comments, Rainmaker and CBB!

As we shoot like 99% continuous sweeps in our club, I am trying to provide one stage with with somewhat more "swing" without being a brain squeezer.

 

Follow up question: Are Gunfighters usually used to start with either hand? To keep it easier for the spotters, I wouldn't want to allow the shooter to start on either end with the sweep. 

 

Ability to start on either end is preferred.  Painting the end targets a different color helps.

 

As for not being able to physically eliminate a target you can always paint a no shoot target a different color that stands out from the other target colors.

Sometimes rather than remove a particular target from an array we paint it a different color. Usually include a smiley face on it. In the stage instructions we remind everyone "Don't shoot Smiley"

 

This way you can create a 5 target array by painting only one target. If you paint one target in each group of 3, you can create a 4 target array or a pair of two target arrays. 

 

Lots of different shooting patterns can be easily created with paint rather than removing a target or two.

 

 

 

[Hoss]

Not a bad sweep. I don’t see it as a P trap. I’d allow start either end. 

[Captain Bill Burt]

53 minutes ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said:

I have shot and set up something similar with target 1 in front and center of the others.

 

Randy

I've shot that pattern more than once and liked it.

[Yul Lose]

I’d prefer the option to start at either end, myself. I’ve shot a sweep similar to this many times but the one target was lower and centered in the target array. Great gunfighter sweep, by the way.

[Marauder SASS #13056]

He missed the Tag! 

 

He missed the Tag!

[Artemus Von Schutze]

Anchor sweep and not an issue for GF. Yes, as a GF you try to be able to start with either hand. I try to keep one pistol trained on the #1 target.

 

Another variant is to only use four targets, with the same sequence, except after you shoot the fourth target you just sweep 1 2 3 4.

[Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L]

another 'fun' way to shoot 6 targets

 

Nevada Sweep on T1, T2, T3, then Nevada Sweep on T4, T5, T6

 

you can do it with 5 targets too, using T3 in both sweeps

 

then there is 

T1, T6, T2, T5, T3, T4, T2, T5, T1, T6

[Frontier Lone Rider]

We call this a Progressive Sweep or an IRS Sweep and sometimes a Lawrence Welk Sweep.

[Eyesa Horg]

2 hours ago, Frontier Lone Rider said:

We call this a Progressive Sweep or an IRS Sweep and sometimes a Lawrence Welk Sweep.

We shoot those sweeps as 1 on 1, 2 on 2, 3 on 3, & 4 on 4. Hadn't heard of the IRS sweep.

[Tennessee williams]

Could always do the Tennessee 2 step on 5 targets. 

Starting on either end(whichever end you start on is target 1) 

1,3,3,2,3,3,4,3,3,5

[Anvil Al #59168]

As you shoot at different places.

A lot of the sweeps get called something at one place and something else at another.

 

For me. Just forget the name.

Just tell me what order I need to shoot,

[Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655]

On 7/17/2023 at 12:58 AM, Equanimous Phil said:

I am not an experienced stage writer yet. Creating a stage with 6 rifle and pistol targets for a monthly. Does this sweep have a name?

 

1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6

 

I think it's a cool sweep for rifle, and also for pistol if you shoot GF. But how much of a P trap respectively PITA do you consider this sweep if you shoot your pistols sequentielly?

 

Thanks, Equanimous Phil

PTrap designed to break backs of those seting up range. Might  be fun incredibly difficult memory test for those of us over 70

[Hells Comin]

4 hours ago, Tennessee williams said:

Could always do the Tennessee 2 step on 5 targets. 

Starting on either end(whichever end you start on is target 1) 

1,3,3,2,3,3,4,3,3,5

To much moonshine I see

[Tennessee williams]

1 minute ago, Hells Comin said:

To much moonshine I see

That's when I come up with the best sweeps!

[High Spade Mikey Wilson]

We call it a Progressive sweep around here.

[Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903]

On 7/18/2023 at 12:22 PM, Tennessee williams said:

Could always do the Tennessee 2 step on 5 targets. 

Starting on either end(whichever end you start on is target 1) 

1,3,3,2,3,3,4,3,3,5

It shoots a lot better than it reads.

 

Randy