Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 So a couple weeks ago my Stoeger shotgun had a tiny piece of shot stuck under the trigger INSIDE the action. Okay that's fixed. Now my other Stoeger failed on the last stage Saturday and only one trigger worked. (Glad it was the last stage) My gunsmith took it apart and found a fired primer stuck inside the action impeding the one trigger! Do the shotgun gods have it in for me or what? Has anyone had this happen? I understand the shot if you don't have a good crimp there's a one in a thousand chance it'll work it's way in the action, (Happened to a friend of mine also) but a dead primer??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Now that's an odd one. I don't even see a space large enough for that to happen. Where did the primer come from? Seems like you are right about the SG Gods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attica Jack #23953 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Sounds like someone did some back yard gunsmithing. I don't see how a primer could get into the action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Attica Jack #23953 said: Sounds like someone did some back yard gunsmithing. I don't see how a primer could get into the action. The gunsmith that slicked up both shotguns is a bona fide gunsmith. All he did was disable safety, slick up the opening and hone the chambers. He did nothing with the action itself. I’ve been shooting Stoegers for 20 yrs and these two for about 5. Never had a problem until this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontier Lone Rider Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Rye, don't bet on the Lottery anytime soon. Old Murphy's Law still comes around to haunt us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 sounds to me like you've had a visit from TN Williams and he's gifted you with one of his cursed chicken feet or possum penis bone. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: sounds to me like you've had a visit from TN Williams and he's gifted you with one of his cursed chicken feet or possum penis bone. ..........Widder The more I hear about that guy the more I'm glad I'm on the other side of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fretless Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: sounds to me like you've had a visit from TN Williams and he's gifted you with one of his cursed chicken feet or possum penis bone. ..........Widder Anybody who's seen me shoot might have noticed the chicken foot hanging from the barrel of my shotgun. That's one of TW's chicken feet. I hung it there to build up an immunity. It took a full year, but I think I'm immune to the chicken foot gris gris now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 I could see some type of failure of the primer pocket that allows the primer to back out. Then when the gun is shucked, the loose primer falls into the action and screws you up for the next go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 16 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: I could see some type of failure of the primer pocket that allows the primer to back out. Then when the gun is shucked, the loose primer falls into the action and screws you up for the next go around. Exactly! That’s the first time in 20 yrs that’s happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 When the safety is disengaged, the butt stock gets removed. There would have been a chance for a dead primer to have dropped into the action at that point, and even years later, it could bounce into a trigger blade to lock it up. I've had shot get on the water table, smash almost flat, but keep the action from locking all the way and double-barrel gun would not fire. Make tight crimps, or seal the opening in the crimp with something. I use candle wax dropped on the hole just enough to close it up. Don't have a Stoeger. But if there is a hole in the bottom of the receiver where the locking bolt slides, it's sure possible that a primer was loose in pocket, and when you shucked the hull, primer fell down into action. IF that was how it happened, then be careful with any shotshell where the primer did not seat with a little bit of resistance. Quote disable safety, slick up the opening and hone the chambers. Two of those three "tuning" operations means the butt stock was removed and action exposed during the job. Just because shotshell loading is "no big deal", shoddy shells can cause problems, as you seem to have found out. good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: sounds to me like you've had a visit from TN Williams and he's gifted you with one of his cursed chicken feet or possum penis bone. ..........Widder Widder, I heard an ole mountain man talking whilst I wuz at the TN state match this year and there's a story circulating around the hollers that ole @Tennessee williams came upon a midget Bigfoot and held him down and shaved him bald. Now ole TW's got a good store of Bigfoot hair that's been hid in a stump in the full moon over 3 months time and now is bewitched. Heck, now he can sneak just one piece of that cursed Bigfoot hair in your rifle and no one would be the wiser.....till you tried to shoot it then it all comes to pieces. You gotta watch out for ole TW, he's a sneaky one. Hey, you can't just make these kind of stories up! Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 @Rye Miles #13621 was the primer a 209 or a LPP? And did it match the ones you were using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 47 minutes ago, Tequila Shooter said: @Rye Miles #13621 was the primer a 209 or a LPP? And did it match the ones you were using? 209 it was all black and distorted. I use SPP for my pistols and rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 If it was a 209 that’s gotta be a big hole to let it down into the action don’t ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Betting the primer fell into the notch where the locking bolts fit into the receiver. If you look closely I'll bet there is a path big enough that even a 209 primer could make its way into the receiver. Especially if said primer was mangled. As for the shot, poor crimps and lead splatter has gummed up the works of more than one shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 40 minutes ago, Tequila Shooter said: If it was a 209 that’s gotta be a big hole to let it down into the action don’t ya think? See what Sedalia Dave said above^^^ makes sense ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: So a couple weeks ago my Stoeger shotgun had a tiny piece of shot stuck under the trigger INSIDE the action. Okay that's fixed. Now my other Stoeger failed on the last stage Saturday and only one trigger worked. (Glad it was the last stage) My gunsmith took it apart and found a fired primer stuck inside the action impeding the one trigger! Do the shotgun gods have it in for me or what? Has anyone had this happen? I understand the shot if you don't have a good crimp there's a one in a thousand chance it'll work it's way in the action, (Happened to a friend of mine also) but a dead primer??? We all have cursed you to endure shotgun failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Sackett Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Not wishing you any more bad luck, but I’m hoping that this doesn’t happen to the rest of us. You may be one in a million to have that happen. That makes you “SPECIAL!” Sam Sackett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Sam Sackett said: Not wishing you any more bad luck, but I’m hoping that this doesn’t happen to the rest of us. You may be one in a million to have that happen. That makes you “SPECIAL!” Sam Sackett My mom told me I was special! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Well, just stay far away from them possum penises. You never know what's going to happen next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said: Well, just stay far away from them possum penises. You never know what's going to happen next. Yikes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullett Sass 19707 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Had a 209 primer come out of a shotgun shell in my model 12 during a wild bunch match and got behind the bolt. Stopped me dead in the wather, called broken gun and finished the stage. My only two misses for the day. Used my 97 to finish the match, at home took the shotgun apart found the mashed up primer and removed it. Went back to working. Second loading on the AA hull, I had loaded a cheddite primer in a hull that had had a Rio primer. I knew the cheddites were larger than the us primers but didnt know the Rio was still larger. Bullett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 14 hours ago, Shooting Bull said: The more I hear about that guy the more I'm glad I'm on the other side of the country. Hehehe, it's cute that you think it matters if you're on the other side of the country or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Bullett Sass 19707 said: I knew the cheddites were larger than the us primers Used to be true, now the Cheddites are made to US dimensions and don't cause as many problems. But, you are right - the Rio's are BIG good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 18 hours ago, Bullett Sass 19707 said: Had a 209 primer come out of a shotgun shell in my model 12 during a wild bunch match and got behind the bolt. Stopped me dead in the wather, called broken gun and finished the stage. My only two misses for the day. Used my 97 to finish the match, at home took the shotgun apart found the mashed up primer and removed it. Went back to working. Second loading on the AA hull, I had loaded a cheddite primer in a hull that had had a Rio primer. I knew the cheddites were larger than the us primers but didnt know the Rio was still larger. Bullett A company called Creative Reloading makes an addition for the shotgun press to fix oversized primer pockets, Its called the ultimate primer punch, it knocks out the old primer and sizes the primer pocket at the same time! It works great wish I had one fifty years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 21 hours ago, Tennessee williams said: Hehehe, it's cute that you think it matters if you're on the other side of the country or not. It travels....I mean He, that's right, he..... Sure glad he simplified his pronouns.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/22/2023 at 8:46 AM, Rye Miles #13621 said: Exactly! That’s the first time in 20 yrs that’s happened. Then don't lose sleep over it. Stuff happens. Something else will getcha next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 On 6/23/2023 at 6:32 PM, DeaconKC said: It travels....I mean He, that's right, he..... Sure glad he simplified his pronouns.... I think you were right with "IT". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 ive never before this heard of the primer problem , but as stated above ...."Old Murphy's Law still comes around to haunt us." id mention the peter principle too about rising to ones highest level of incompetence but i dont know you so ill not blame you for putting that primer there , it does seem a very unlikely place for a primer to end up tho , you dont have a prankster among your shooting pards do you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 27, 2023 Author Share Posted June 27, 2023 7 hours ago, watab kid said: ive never before this heard of the primer problem , but as stated above ...."Old Murphy's Law still comes around to haunt us." id mention the peter principle too about rising to ones highest level of incompetence but i dont know you so ill not blame you for putting that primer there , it does seem a very unlikely place for a primer to end up tho , you dont have a prankster among your shooting pards do you ? There's quite a few pranksters I shoot with but none that would go as far as to do something to disable a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 im glad to hear that - i really didnt think it would be so , SASS people are a great bunch and that would be an over the top prank in my book , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 So far if I read the story right..an oversize primer got stuck in TN's butthole & no one knows what action to take as he's on the the other side ode of the country & Widder won't help cause he's to busy laughin '....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 29, 2023 Author Share Posted June 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 said: So far if I read the story right..an oversize primer got stuck in TN's butthole & no one knows what action to take as he's on the the other side ode of the country & Widder won't help cause he's to busy laughin '....... Oversized primer? It was a fired primer. I don’t see how it was oversized. If anything it was maybe undersized! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Badly Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Oversized primer? It was a fired primer. I don’t see how it was oversized. If anything it was maybe undersized! Undersized? That would explain why he eats all those nanner splits. Easy to pass/won't jam up yer action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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