Tom Bullweed Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 The news is aboil with movement within California's state legislature to pass a bill removing the state's acknowlegdement of the US Constitution as binding. The purpose or this bill is to make the first steps towards seccession. I guess may answer the question posted about a week ago about shipping guns to California. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) Not the legislature, but a petition to get an initiative on the ballot. It was approved and they can now start gathering signatures. Edited January 28, 2017 by Subdeacon Joe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinpan McGurk Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) A man failed to win the popular vote and in fact only won 39% of it but won 59% of the electoral vote due to the concentration of population in the states he won..in fact he received a smaller percentage of the popular vote than nearly all the losers. A large segment of the citizens felt he was not the legitimate president because he only carried 18 states all the others voted against the candidate He was accused of implementing unconstitutional measures He was one of the most unpopular presidents of his day...upon taking office he had what would equate to a modern approval rating of less than 25% Major news media hounded him, satirized him, made fun of his looks, called him incompetent, a gorilla etc a few examples - The NEW YORK TRIBUNE joked that he "may live a hundred years without having so good a chance to die", The CHICAGO TIMES, branded one of his policies "..a monstrous usurpation, a criminal wrong, and an act of national suicide.....the time is brief when we shall have a DICTATOR proclaimed", The NEW YORK HERALD stated "The politicians have again proclaimed this PRESIDENTIAL-PIGMY as their nominee...." , the NEW YORK WORLD said "...the OBSCENE APE is about to be deposed.." Accusations of election fraud and shock from the losing party a NY times head line "THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION THE REPUBLICANS IN THEIR TRIUMPH.....THE LAMENTATIONS OF THE DEFEATED" another headline read ...Report of alderman from the City of New York "it is currently reported and believed that there exists in this city an organized body...who intend, on the day of election, to obstruct the polls...and challenge very voter they can in order to keep back the electors and delay voting on that day...." Many citizens felt he was not qualified for the office Many of his own cabinet felt they were better qualified to hold office One well known "progressive" activist called him a "First rate, second rate man" So many believed that he did not win the election and was not "legitimate" that some states moved to secede... He put forward the principle that IN A REPUBLIC the citizens can not decide they want to leave because they don't like the results of an election...In a Republic it is the citizens duty that if they do not agree with the results of an election to convince their peers that they made a mistake and vote against the office holder in the next election...thus is the way of Republics. Military leaders ridiculed him and called him a fool or the "original gorilla" (a direct quote) Later when his party came to him and told him he was LOSER and that to avoid losing the next election he should suspend the election, a power granted to him by congress, he refused stating that the government of ANY Republic that was afraid of the voice of the people should not govern The states that disagreed seceded from the Union an action severely criticized by "progressives" The man was Abraham Lincoln The states that seceded became the Confederate States an action that has been criticized by progressives up until the latest election These things are not made up by me they are historic fact...anyone can look them up... A history lesson for those that don't agree with the results of the election Tinpan McGurk Edited January 29, 2017 by Tinpan McGurk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dane, SASS#5536 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Well---Bye. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tascosa, SASS# 24838 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I really don't see much of a problem if Kalif. want to leave the US. Then when the people from Kalif want to visit or move to another state because their state is going down the drain they weill have to be vetted. Adios Kalif. I just feel sorry for the real Americans that have to put up with the liberal bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoken D Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 A man failed to win the popular vote and in fact only won 29% of it but won 59% of the electoral vote due to the concentration of population in the states he won..in fact he received a smaller percentage of the popular vote than nearly all the losers. A large segment of the citizens felt he was not the legitimate president because he only carried 18 states all the others voted against the candidate He was accused of implementing unconstitutional measures He was one of the most unpopular presidents of his day...upon taking office he had what would equate to a modern approval rating of less than 25% Major news media hounded him, satirized him, made fun of his looks, called him incompetent, a gorilla etc a few examples - The NEW YORK TRIBUNE joked that he "may live a hundred years without having so good a chance to die", The CHICAGO TIMES, branded one of his policies "..a monstrous usurpation, a criminal wrong, and an act of national suicide.....the time is brief when we shall have a DICTATOR proclaimed", The NEW YORK HERALD stated "The politicians have again proclaimed this PRESIDENTIAL-PIGMY as their nominee...." , the NEW YORK WORLD said "...the OBSCENE APE is about to be deposed.." Accusations of election fraud and shock form the losing party a NY times head line "THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION THE REPUBLICANS IN THEIR TRIUMPH.....THE LAMENTATIONS OF THE DEFEATED" another headline read ...Report of alderman from the City of New York "it is currently reported and believed that there exists in this city an organized body...who intend, on the day of election, to obstruct the polls...and challenge very voter they can in order to keep back the electors and delay voting on that day...." Many citizens felt he was not qualified for the office Many of his own cabinet felt they were better qualified to hold office One well known "progressive" activist called him a "First rate, second rate man" So many believed that he did not win the election and was not "legitimate" that some states moved to secede... He put forward the principle that IN A REPUBLIC the citizens can not decide they want to leave because they don't like the results of an election...In a Republic it is the citizens duty that it they do not agree with the results of an election to convince their peers that they made a mistake and vote against the office holder in the next election...thus is the way of Republics. Military leaders ridiculed him and called him a fool or the "original gorilla" (a direct quote) Later when his party came to him and told him he was LOSER and that to avoid losing the next election he should suspend the election, a power granted to him by congress, he refused stating that the government of ANY Republic that was afraid of the voice of the people should not govern The states that disagreed seceded from the Union an action severely criticized by "progressives" The man was Abraham Lincoln The states that seceded became the Confederate States an action that has been criticized by progressives up until the latest election These things are not made up by me they are historic fact...anyone can look them up... A history lesson for those that don't agree with the results of the election Tinpan McGurk Don't know if all is accurate, I looked up electoral history of Abe, and this is what I found; Popular vote, Abraham Lincoln 39.8% Stephen Douglas 29.5% Electorial; Abraham Lincoln 180 John C. Brickinrige 72 Found that here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_Abraham_Lincoln Didn't take the time to look anything else up since that did not apperar to be accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 If California seceded then they could vote to become a state of Mexico. Then the wall would have to be extended along Arizona, Nevada, Oregon... That could get interesting! 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben McCoy Rankin # 34239 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) If they do sedede If California seceded then they could vote to become a state of Mexico. Then the wall would have to be extended along Arizona, Nevada, Oregon...That could get interesting! And how much foreign aid would we have to pay?? Edited January 28, 2017 by Reuben McCoy Rankin # 34239 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 WOW! Does that mean I would have to register as an alien (maybe illegal) cause I was born there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 California is not going secede. Even if it wanted to, there's no way that anyone would let that happen. Over half the food grown in the us comes from California, as well as a whole lot of tax dollars. California may not be able to survive on its own, but sure as hell the rest of the country can't survive without California. For better or worse, both need each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Joaquin Shootist Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 If California seceded then they could vote to become a state of Mexico. Then the wall would have to be extended along Arizona, Nevada, Oregon... That could get interesting! Well as a resident of California I always joked the state government would build a wall to keep the tax payers in:) truthfully I expected it to be a virtual wall built with some legislation to attempt to tax anyone leaving with funds earned while in California. Then of course they did try this with retirement income but were not successful......yet:\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Joaquin Shootist Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) Well you cannot have as much fun with it but there is also a movement to split the state into two states. Click here to read about it---> http://www.soj51.net/ The county I live in voted 2 to 1 for Trump. I suspect we will pay for that as the California Legislature drafts laws to punish our county. Our County Sheriff has a shall issue policy for CCW permits and at a Pro Gun Rights rally I attended he spoke and stated "I will not put law abiding citizens behind bars for violating these new gun laws." So make your jokes but make no mistake, the good fight is being fought here and we are severely out numbered by the leftist leaning LA and SF populations. I ask you to ponder how you would do in similar circumstances? SJS Edited January 28, 2017 by San Joaquin Shootist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Joaquin Shootist Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) This is an example fo what we are up against: Click here---> http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-leland-yee-q-and-a-20160223-story.html And here---> http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-a-guide-to-leland-yee-corruption-scandal-shrimp-boy-to-guns-20140328-story.html And here---> http://www.sfexaminer.com/chow-trial-political-fallout-looking-back-at-the-shrimp-boy-saga/ Edited January 28, 2017 by San Joaquin Shootist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Herding cats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldom Seen #16162 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 California is not going secede. Even if it wanted to, there's no way that anyone would let that happen. Over half the food grown in the us comes from California, as well as a whole lot of tax dollars. California may not be able to survive on its own, but sure as hell the rest of the country can't survive without California. For better or worse, both need each other. California and any other State cannot secede from the Union without the permission of Congress. I think California splitting into two separate States is a excellent idea. The rural agricultural counties are more conservative which will give us two new Senate seats in Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 If a movie was made about the true Ca. politics and the crooks & scum in Sac. No one would believe it. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I thought the issue was settled in 1865? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knarley Bob Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 · Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, January 28, 2017 - Insult, afdds nothing. Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, January 28, 2017 - Insult, afdds nothing. If California seceded then they could vote to become a state of Mexico. Then the wall would have to be extended along Arizona, Nevada, Oregon... That could get interesting! THEY ( Kalifornya) would pay for the wall.......It would be better if they all jumped up and down on the fault line, and sank into the Pacific. IMHO of course Link to comment
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 So the Ca. bashing begins, AGAIN. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 So the Ca. bashing begins, AGAIN. OLG Let's hope that the Cowboy way wins over rudeness because I'm watching now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 California is not going secede. Even if it wanted to, there's no way that anyone would let that happen. Over half the food grown in the us comes from California, as well as a whole lot of tax dollars. California may not be able to survive on its own, but sure as hell the rest of the country can't survive without California. For better or worse, both need each other. Need to see some stats on that from a respectable source; pretty sure there's a lot of corn and grains grown as well as cattle and chicken raised in the flyover states that might dispute that. As far as us surviving without California, I'm positive we'd be fine; especially here in Tennessee. That said I hope they don't move forward with this and I hope they do not successfully secede. What I do wish is for is California to split into another state so that the electoral college doesn't always go to the democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 As far as cattle numbers go, little ol' Kansas all by its ownself has more cattle than California, and Texas, Kansas, and Nebraska together have more cattle than all the other states combined: http://www.beefusa.org/beefindustrystatistics.aspx Scroll down this one a few pages and you can compare poultry numbers as well (more in the eastern and southern states than California): https://www.usda.gov/documents/nass-poultry-stats-factsheet.pdf So, while I like California products, I don't think anyone would starve to death if they seceded. Which I do not advocate or support by the way, just thought the numbers were interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Secession: there is nothing new in this. Folks in Alaska have been trying to do this since the 1990's, CA since about 2010, FL since about 2014, GA 2009, HI, NH since 2001, Oregon since last year, SC since 2010, TX since forever, VT since 2003... there are regional secession movement, county secession movements, cities that want to secede from states...on and on... As long as there are people there will be other people that want nothing to do with them. Disagreement, even violent disagreements are as old as Cain and Able. How many of us have wanted at one time or another to secede from our own families? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Hey Bottles, get that guy a drink over there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 No need to bash Kalifornia. They can't quit the US. Evan if they could secede the US could just turn off the water and Kalifornia would be a very different place. That water can feed crops in other states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 California and any other State cannot secede from the Union without the permission of Congress. I think California splitting into two separate States is a excellent idea. The rural agricultural counties are more conservative which will give us two new Senate seats in Congress. CA should realistically be about 7 states split up roughly along the lines of the geomorphic provinces. Combine the Klamath, Cascades, Modoc, and the northern bits of the Basin and Range provinces into one state. Coast Range gets split into 2 at the Golden Gate. Transverse Range is one state. Great Valley is one state. Colorado Desert could be combined with either the Peninsular Ranges or with the Mojave as a state. Sierra Nevada can be combined with Basin & Range into a state. That pretty well would divide it up along lines of economic interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoken D Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Let's hope that the Cowboy way wins over rudeness because I'm watching now. I sure hope someday to visit that great state! Aunt & Uncle got married there, dad & mom also meet there and got married after WWII in Salinas. Has it's problems just like the rest of us, but dang I know it's one heck of a BEAUTIFUL STATE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Silly posturing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 The western part of NY is also making noises about splitting away from the rest of NY especially trying to get away from NY City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Secession: there is nothing new in this. Folks in Alaska have been trying to do this since the 1990's, CA since about 2010, FL since about 2014, GA 2009, HI, NH since 2001, Oregon since last year, SC since 2010, TX since forever, VT since 2003... there are regional secession movement, county secession movements, cities that want to secede from states...on and on... As long as there are people there will be other people that want nothing to do with them. Disagreement, even violent disagreements are as old as Cain and Able. How many of us have wanted at one time or another to secede from our own families? Very well said, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 For those Californians looking to secede: Bless your hearts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinpan McGurk Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) Smokin D is correct about Popular vote I made a typo and fixed it ..my source for the stats is the American President Project and the quotes are directly from newspapers and from Civil War Trust... point being he did not win the popular vote additional sources for info: "Lincoln at the Gates of History" - Flood "Bloody Roads South" - Trudea "Team of Rivals" - Kerns "The Fredericksburg Campaign" F. O"Reilly "Tragic Years 1860-1865" Angle and Miers "For Cause and Comrades" McPherson "Recollections of the Civil War" Dana "A Rising Thunder" Wheeler "They Have Killed Papa Dead" Pitch "Kiling Lincoln" O'Reilly "Behind the Scenes 30 years a Keckly Slave and Four Years in the Whitehouse" "The Fate of War" Schultz "The Civil War" Transcript - Burns Edited January 29, 2017 by Tinpan McGurk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Louis Suomi SASS #31905 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 While speaking of produce, I believe a huge amount of produce in America comes from Chile, I do not see Americans starving for lettuce or tomatoes. In my area, Missouri, we have many farms that produce fresh vegetables. It would not impact us all that much. We have many peach and apple orchards about in our area also, the rest of the produce is readily available fro Idaho, and Kansas and Nebraska would serve us Angus beef and tons of wheat. STL Suomi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) Unlike the imperialist federal forces of 1861.......I don't think their secession will lead to a civil war. Would Trump build a wall from Oregon to Mexico? Edited January 28, 2017 by Dirty Dan Dawkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I could be wrong about this but I think I remember reading somewhere that just after the Civil War started the Congress passed a law that made it illegal for states to secede from the Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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