Biden's new gun control effort

[Widder, SASS #59054]

Fox News reported this morning that the Prez is gonna initiate an executive order that requires ALL gun transfers have

a background check...... even among private owners.

 

If this is so, does this mean that every time a firearm is used in Hollywood, a background check must be initiated in order

for that firearm to be handled by anyone working with that firearm?

 

I think the NRA should pursue this requirement.    It would help keep guns out of the hands of the 'Baldwins' in Hollywood.

 

..........Widder

 

[Marshal Dan Troop 70448]

3 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

Fox News reported this morning that the Prez is gonna initiate an executive order that requires ALL gun transfers have

a background check...... even among private owners.

 

If this is so, does this mean that every time a firearm is used in Hollywood, a background check must be initiated in order

for that firearm to be handled by anyone working with that firearm?

 

I think the NRA should pursue this requirement.    It would help keep guns out of the hands of the 'Baldwins' in Hollywood.

 

..........Widder

 

And his son, Hunter.

[J-BAR #18287]

Executive Orders apply only to Federal employees in the Executive branch...the President's direct subordinates.  Otherwise we have a dictatorship.  I wish reporters had taken a Civics class.

[Rye Miles #13621]

I got news for this fool, he can't do an executive order on the Second Amendment otherwise like J-Bar said, We'd be in a dictatorship. This guy doesn't know his %^$ from a hole in the ground!

[The Shoer 27979]

2 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said:

Executive Orders apply only to Federal employees in the Executive branch...the President's direct subordinates.  Otherwise we have a dictatorship.  I wish reporters had taken a Civics class.

Thank you for the way you said that. I would have just said he can't, I just know executive  order don't mean a dam thing

[Bad Bascomb, SASS # 47,494]

  Any Executive Order affecting a constitutionally protected right is, on its face, unconstitutional. 

I wish someone in Congress would point that out.

[Pat Riot]

Too bad Presidents don’t get civics lessons as well. 

[Texas Lizard]

6 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

Too bad Presidents don’t get civics lessons as well. 

At this point he could not remember them...

 

Texas Lizard

[Capt. James H. Callahan]

31 minutes ago, Bad Bascomb, SASS # 47,494 said:

  Any Executive Order affecting a constitutionally protected right is, on its face, unconstitutional. 

I wish someone in Congress would point that out.

If we could get rid of all the laws that are unconstitutional under the Tenth Amendment alone we could whittle 'em down considerably! Not to mention the Second.

JHC

[Subdeacon Joe]

Someone needs to explain to him what separation of powers means.   

 

And what the Constitution does.

 

 

"Constitutional rights may not be infringed simply because the majority of the people choose that they be." (Westbrook v. Mihaly 2 C3d 756)

 

and

 

"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."

 

: Robert H. Jackson, US Supreme Court Justice West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)

[Abilene Slim SASS 81783]

Executive orders are mostly PR, meant to give the appearance of acting on an issue. 

[watab kid]

i must be really in the dark , i thought every gun sale by licensed dealers is already required to have this check , so only private sales will be affected - i wonder just how many of the gangbangers really care he said it was illegal  ? never have before 

[sassnetguy50]

10 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said:

Executive Orders apply only to Federal employees in the Executive branch...the President's direct subordinates.  Otherwise we have a dictatorship.  I wish reporters had taken a Civics class.

Civics class was decades ago.

Being the ATF is under the Executive branch, does the executive order have athority to mandate the agency to specific actions?

[Pat Riot]

5 hours ago, sassnetguy50 said:

Civics class was decades ago.

Being the ATF is under the Executive branch, does the executive order have athority to mandate the agency to specific actions?

The states dictate the sale and transfer of guns within their state. Once a gun is sold to an individual the Interstate Commerce control is removed from the equation.

[John Kloehr]

The actual order:

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/03/14/executive-order-on-reducing-gun-violence-and-making-our-communities-safer/

[Rye Miles #13621]

In Ohio we can sell a firearm to another resident. All they have to show me is their current DL or State ID. I don't see where this affects this at all unless I'm missing something.

[Chantry]

Here is a write up on Biden's executive orders:  https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/03/bidens-gun-executive-order-literally-doesnt-change-anything/

 

IIRC ANY executive order can only address existing laws and can not create new law.  Of course that doesn't prevent presidents from either party from pushing the limits of what they can and can not do and it often ends up in the courts to be resolved.

[Mister Badly]

We said don't make new laws, enforce the laws already on the books. Looks like that is what he is doing.  After reading the text of the order I saw nothing restricting individual to individual sales. Unless you sell enough to need an FFL. The Supreme court is the ultimate check on restricting infringement of our 2nd amendment rights and they have done a fine job. 

[Dantankerous]

As the fans at college football games have chanted...

 

[bgavin]

The Federal drug laws come to mind.
By definition, these should also be under State direction, but they are not.
Today, various states choose to ignore them, but I figure if somebody really want to pursue it, they could bring Federal pot law charges if they want to do so.

Dictatorship or not, one does not have a whole lot of choice when the "authorities" are at your door with a warrant to bust in.

 

[Pat Riot]

I have a grand idea for making everyone safer. Actually keep criminals in prison. 3 strikes for felonies, not 20. If there was actual punishment and or actual rehabilitation that might help as well. 
 

Who am I kidding. The justice corporation can’t have that. 

[PowderRiverCowboy]

Illegal EO  ? Yes. If we had a Congress / House that actually upheld their oaths , He should be impeached for that . Period 
 
Here Lies the problem with the 2A community , to many we are not organized and well labeled as terrorists if we do . We cant trust your buddy next to you to stand by you .  And one guy or a few its been proven time and again will be left by us when Feds stop by .

 The left isnt even shy about voiding the 2A " they state they have Nukes , F15's and will take your scary AR .  And what did we do ?? We cant have a rifle but we can send missiles to Granny in Ukraine ? 

 

  You cant do a "protest march " with Billy Bob LARPING with 20k in gear that he bought to be cool ,   that is what they will bring up in the media every damn time .

You Cant reason with a group that sought to fire you, ban you from  places for not obeying their wishes .

 

 

 

[Rye Miles #13621]

1 hour ago, Mister Badly said:

We said don't make new laws, enforce the laws already on the books. Looks like that is what he is doing.  After reading the text of the order I saw nothing restricting individual to individual sales. Unless you sell enough to need an FFL. The Supreme court is the ultimate check on restricting infringement of our 2nd amendment rights and they have done a fine job. 

So another words this EX Order by this dumb fool is actually meaningless and it's just him pandering to antigunners for future votes!  

 

[PowderRiverCowboy]

1 hour ago, Mister Badly said:

We said don't make new laws, enforce the laws already on the books. Looks like that is what he is doing.  After reading the text of the order I saw nothing restricting individual to individual sales. Unless you sell enough to need an FFL. The Supreme court is the ultimate check on restricting infringement of our 2nd amendment rights and they have done a fine job. 

The mere  reason for this post suggests the Supreme Court has not done a fine job otherwise we wouldn't have this post  .

[Rip Snorter]

Generally, not the greatest fan of the Supremes, but in fairness, it takes time for issues to become cases and climb through lower courts to reach them.

[Cypress Sun]

2 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

I have a grand idea for making everyone safer. Actually keep criminals in prison. 3 strikes for felonies, not 20. If there was actual punishment and or actual rehabilitation that might help as well. 
 

Who am I kidding. The justice corporation can’t have that. 

 

There's no money in keeping people in prison.

[Texas Joker]

3 hours ago, Rip Snorter said:

Generally, not the greatest fan of the Supremes, but in fairness, it takes time for issues to become cases and climb through lower courts to reach them.

1934.....nfa

 

1968.....gca

 

1986...fopa

 

1993... Brady

 

1994... awb

 

Plenty of time for cases.

 

 

 

[Rip Snorter]

6 minutes ago, Texas Joker said:

1934.....nfa

 

1968.....gca

 

1986...fopa

 

1993... Brady

 

1994... awb

 

Plenty of time for cases.

 

 

 

Obviously, and several of the reasons for my opening statement.  I was referring to Brandon's latest attempt to Rule by Decree.