Whiskey Business Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 The complete idiocy of politicians across the country that want to reduce law enforcement budgets in favor of social projects that are known for failure is mind boggling. You want anarchy, this is how you get anarchy. The United States of America was founded on the rule of law. Violent criminals have run amok in this country for months. Have not seen much outrage from our so called leaders until the Capitol protests. Too close to home for the cocktail quaffing, tennis anyone self aggrandizing elitist snobs in congress.
Trailrider #896 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 29 minutes ago, Whiskey Business said: The complete idiocy of politians across the country that want to reduce law enforcement budgets in favor of social projects that are known for failure is mind boggling. You want anarchy, this is how you get anarchy. The United States of America was founded on the rule of law. Violent criminals have run amok in this country for months. Have not seen much outrage from our so called leaders until the Capitol protests. Too close to home for the cocktail quaffing, tennis anyone self aggrandizing elitist snobs in congress. We are going to have UNITY! I guess that is what those characters in Downtown Denver around the State Capitol, and those in Seattle or wherever were doing burning stuff last night. They were unified in their anarchic activities! People say to cheer up, it could be worse. I'm afraid if I do cheer up it'll get worse!
South-Eye Ned Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 On Inauguration Day, Antifa attacked the Oregon Democrat HQ. Has anyone heard Biden, his Admin, or Gen Psaki condemn it?
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Whiskey Business said: The complete idiocy of politians across the country that want to reduce law enforcement budgets in favor of social projects that are known for failure is mind boggling. You want anarchy, this is how you get anarchy. The United States of America was founded on the rule of law. Violent criminals have run amok in this country for months. Have not seen much outrage from our so called leaders until the Capitol protests. Too close to home for the cocktail quaffing, tennis anyone self aggrandizing elitist snobs in congress. ............................... Ma'am ... if you keep holding back like that, you'll likely do yourself some serious damage ! Tell us how you really feel
Lawdog Dago Dom Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 The irony in this "defund" movement is that since 1964 the same areas of poverty and high crime that the Civil Rights Act of that year was supposed to fix, has not happened. Despite dozens of programs and millions of tax dollars, these areas have remained pretty much the same. But they keep re-electing the same party. And keep reaping the same results. So how are the police the problem? And if so, how does defunding them cure the problem?
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 Just have these printed up and get them signed.
Whiskey Business Posted January 22, 2021 Author Posted January 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 said: ............................... Ma'am ... if you keep holding back like that, you'll likely do yourself some serious damage ! Tell us how you really feel That just touched the surface.
J-BAR #18287 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 Sometimes we just gotta give folks the leeway to screw up.
Yul Lose Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Lawdog Dago Dom said: The irony in this "defund" movement is that since 1964 the same areas of poverty and high crime that the Civil Rights Act of that year was supposed to fix, has not happened. Despite dozens of programs and millions of tax dollars, these areas have remained pretty much the same. But they keep re-electing the same party. And keep reaping the same results. So how are the police the problem? And if so, how does defunding them cure the problem? More like hundreds of billions of tax dollars have been dumped in those areas.
Whiskey Business Posted January 22, 2021 Author Posted January 22, 2021 Oh, yes. Dumb idea does not work, so let's sink more money into it. See Pat's earlier post.
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 I didn’t see the capitol being guarded by social workers this week.
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 I read a couple of news reports that described what went on in Portland on inauguration day. They made no attempt or reference as to who was responsible.
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 I sure hope they don't get around to defunding police retirement.
Pat Riot Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 5 hours ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said: I read a couple of news reports that described what went on in Portland on inauguration day. They made no attempt or reference as to who was responsible. Communists that call themselves Antifa. I wouldn’t doubt that it was just for show so that certain politicians that are aligned with communistic ideals can say they abhor what is going on so they appear more moderate.
Clay Mosby Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said: Just have these printed up and get them signed. If I had the funds I'd print a few thousand of these and hire some youngun's to stick them on windshields of cars across the city!!
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Communists that call themselves Antifa. I wouldn’t doubt that it was just for show so that certain politicians that are aligned with communistic ideals can say they abhor what is going on so they appear more moderate. More like useful idiots, I think. Anarchists with no real agenda except to tear down and burn anything they can touch. These are not the army of the proletariat; they are a mob of the unwashed, entertaining themselves on someone elses's dime, and going home to Mom and Dad's at the end of each "protest". LL
Kid Rich Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 The REAL reason behind the defund the police movement is not to actually defund the police it is to demoralize them and everyone that stands for law and order. kR
Chantry Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 Politics isn't about facts and logic, it's about emotion, fund raising, votes and keeping their precious position or seat in government. So those politicians pushing to defund the police are doing what the majority of THEIR constituents want, even if their constituents are unable to recognize that if they achieve their goal of defunding the police that the crime rate will skyrocket.
Kid Rich Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Chantry said: Politics isn't about facts and logic, it's about emotion, fund raising, votes and keeping their precious position or seat in government. So those politicians pushing to defund the police are doing what the majority of THEIR constituents want, even if their constituents are unable to recognize that if they achieve their goal of defunding the police that the crime rate will skyrocket. Who do you think will be doing the criminal activity? kR
Chantry Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, Kid Rich said: Who do you think will be doing the criminal activity? kR The same ones as now and probably some more of the area's constituents will start
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 Defund the police is the most ridiculous thing the libs have come up with yet and they've come up with some doozies!
Yul Lose Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Defund the police is the most ridiculous thing the libs have come up with yet and they've come up with some doozies! The next 4 years will be “Hold my beer, watch this”.
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 10 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Sometimes we just gotta give folks the leeway to screw up. But they keep on screwing the rest of up, too.
Mister Badly Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 I think buying some water cannons equipped with video cameras would be awesome. It would stimulate the economy, clear the streets, clean the streets, put out molotov cocktails and if you started a youtube channel you could make money to pay for them. Not to mention the entertainment value.
Pat Riot Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said: More like useful idiots, I think. Anarchists with no real agenda except to tear down and burn anything they can touch. These are not the army of the proletariat; they are a mob of the unwashed, entertaining themselves on someone elses's dime, and going home to Mom and Dad's at the end of each "protest". LL Agreed.
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 These people are the children and grandchildren of the 1960's hippie. What did you expect was going to happen?
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 Oh we know who they were. The propoganda wing of the left isn't going to report it unless it supports their agenda.
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 I love it! Let the sewer rats burn down their own sewers.
Ozark Shark Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 14 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Sometimes we just gotta give folks the leeway to screw up. I prefer the analogy of "enough rope".
Chicken Rustler, SASS #26680 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 19 hours ago, Whiskey Business said: The complete idiocy of politicians across the country that want to reduce law enforcement budgets in favor of social projects that are known for failure is mind boggling. Why do you want to take cops away from fighting crime so they can respond to a call that should be handled by social workers? Your absolutism is not any better than that on the left.
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, Chicken Rustler, SASS #26680 said: Why do you want to take cops away from fighting crime so they can respond to a call that should be handled by social workers? Your absolutism is not any better than that on the left. Except that it may be impossible from a 911 call or a citizen complaint to determine whether you need a police response or a mental health professional. at least in the first instance. Would you prefer to send an unarmed responder into a potentially deadly scenario? If there were a reliable way to differentiate between "real" crimes and social needs, I'm sure that the police would prefer to handle the crimes and leave the "soft" matters to others. But until that separation can be made quickly and reliably, you can't expect the police to NOT respond, or to respond with less than complete precautions for their own safety.
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 23, 2021 Posted January 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said: Except that it may be impossible from a 911 call or a citizen complaint to determine whether you need a police response or a mental health professional. at least in the first instance. Would you prefer to send an unarmed responder into a potentially deadly scenario? If there were a reliable way to differentiate between "real" crimes and social needs, I'm sure that the police would prefer to handle the crimes and leave the "soft" matters to others. But until that separation can be made quickly and reliably, you can't expect the police to NOT respond, or to respond with less than complete precautions for their own safety. +10000
Chicken Rustler, SASS #26680 Posted January 23, 2021 Posted January 23, 2021 20 hours ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said: Except that it may be impossible from a 911 call or a citizen complaint to determine whether you need a police response or a mental health professional. at least in the first instance. Would you prefer to send an unarmed responder into a potentially deadly scenario? If there were a reliable way to differentiate between "real" crimes and social needs, I'm sure that the police would prefer to handle the crimes and leave the "soft" matters to others. But until that separation can be made quickly and reliably, you can't expect the police to NOT respond, or to respond with less than complete precautions for their own safety. I don't really know you too well, but it seems that I remember you posting before that you're former LEO so obviously your opinion should carry more weight on this topic than mine. It just seems to me that 911 dispatchers already make choices between police and fire and EMT and in many instances they could do the same for this. It also seems that if you have social workers in your budget and you default to using police instead of them that you're not making the best use of your budget or your different resources. I didn't say it's easy, but I've never known police to say that not being easy would ever stop them from doing something, I do want to say another thing though, I've heard people say they should use somebody besides police to "de-escalate" domestic disturbance situations, even I know that's one of the worst ideas ever.
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