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The shotshell belt is not a bra.


Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129

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Yeah the sg bra looks mighty stoopid. I do not know how anyone with a bare modicum of self respect can sashay aroung with one. Same with crotch holsters, they hurt me eyes a might BUT it all depends on whose ox is being gored I guess. As the years go by I have found it is easier to draw, re-holster and run the stage after shifting the pistol holsters more around to the front. Sigh... Not that I am ever any threat to bust out above mid-pack y'unnerstand -- it is just easier and since puttng a pistol on the ground one time I have a fear of missing the holster ever since then, SDQ is no fun. The Tupelo Bando has been my best method to run the sg I have found and have been using one for many years now.

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Well don't look know, but I see a hell of a lot more stuff that looks more like sh**t then where the shot shell belt is worn! V.D.

I didn't say they were all covered, just said that's why we have such rules. :)

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I now wear a sheath knife on my gunbelt. I slide the sheath into my hip pocket which keeps the gun belt from going south to the amusement of all of my posse members.

I'm gonna have to try that!!!

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"...I now wear a sheath knife on my gunbelt. I slide the sheath into my hip pocket which keeps the gun belt from going south to the amusement of all of my posse members...."

 

that is a good solution , i like it , i will try it if i can get one of ,mine to sit right and ride correctly , thanks

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I don't see this brought up often since most shooters know and follow the rules. I also don't see people bringing this up over fine line violations. Occasionally though someone will show up with their shotgun belt around their chest, a clear violation. Generally someone will pull them aside and explain the rule before they shoot to avoid the penalty.

 

If the shooter were to ignore the warning and shoot with the belt around their chest, they would get called on it. It looks ridiculous, is not how ammo belts were worn and shortening the reach to the shotshells is a potential advantage. Regardless, it is a rule and around here we like to play by the rules, even at monthly matches.

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Pale Wolf hit it on the head, if this is bothering you, more than likely it's because you see it at your local shoots and THAT is when you need to mention it to the guilty party where it might do some good, not here on the forum because NO ONE on the forum is guilty of the infraction!

Well first off this is not at little local shoots , it was at major SASS shoots...

And after seeing it at several matches it has just started to really bug me ...

 

That and FRIENDS over looking Things that the rest must obey,I have always Strongly believed in even enforcement of all rules...

Or tell folks there aint going to be no rules ...

 

 

Jabez Cowboy

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Well first off this is not at little local shoots , it was at major SASS shoots...

And after seeing it at several matches it has just started to really bug me ...

 

That and FRIENDS over looking Things that the rest must obey,I have always Strongly believed in even enforcement of all rules...

Or tell folks there aint going to be no rules ...

 

 

Jabez Cowboy

 

No rules?? :o

 

https://youtu.be/H_q-aL4xQDI

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Folks try and wear them At or below the belly button...

Not 10 inches above the Gun belt...

 

 

Jabez Cowboy

 

Amen to that!!!! See it all the time!!

 

I've got to ask, do you guys go around at your local weekend matches with tape measures checking belt positions? Do you also keep a keen eye open for proper approved footwear, approved hat material and type, appropriate clothing, distance between holsters and check ammo for correct power levels? At these matches do you challenge violators face to face or enforce punitive measures on the spot? I'll guess the answer is no so why mention it here?

 

At our local club shoots, I have never seen anyone approach another shooter and chastise them for an infraction and I think the reason is that we all show up to have a good time visiting and shooting and no one really cares if Dave shows up in a Panama Jack straw hat because he forgot his cowboy hat and this one works to keep the sun off his head.

 

And as far as getting away with minor deviations at local matches causing problems at larger matches goes, realistically this is not much of a problem depending on the club. If Chubby Chub Bob wants to look like a goober wearing his ammo belt near boob level and no one objects, it's his own fault if he shows up at a large match and gets called out for it AND he has no right to complain.

 

Four or five of our shooters attended Winter Range this year, none went to EOT and the only one going to Bordertown is me and all of the folks attending the larger matches know how to clean up and look sharp for the "big match attire police".

 

I just don't see the problem.

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IIRC there was a similar thread was making the circuits a while back. An example was posted and a shooter was singled out.

 

Funny part of the whole thing was in the end several people had to apologize to said shooter because his SG belt was worn correctly.

 

You cannot judge if a shooters SG belt is worn correctly by basing it on the distance between it and his/her pistol belt. Unless you are Superman, have X-ray vision, or the shooters midriff is bare so that you can see their belly button there is absolutely no way to know where a persons navel is in relation to where they are wearing their pistol belt.

 

So if you think a shooters SG belt is too high bring your concerns to the MD. If you are right then we are all better for enforcing the rules. However you should also be prepared to eat some crow after you get your anatomy lesson because there is no such thing as the average person.

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I've got to ask, do you guys go around at your local weekend matches with tape measures checking belt positions? Do you also keep a keen eye open for proper approved footwear, approved hat material and type, appropriate clothing, distance between holsters and check ammo for correct power levels? At these matches do you challenge violators face to face or enforce punitive measures on the spot? I'll guess the answer is no so why mention it here?

 

At our local club shoots, I have never seen anyone approach another shooter and chastise them for an infraction and I think the reason is that we all show up to have a good time visiting and shooting and no one really cares if Dave shows up in a Panama Jack straw hat because he forgot his cowboy hat and this one works to keep the sun off his head.

 

And as far as getting away with minor deviations at local matches causing problems at larger matches goes, realistically this is not much of a problem depending on the club. If Chubby Chub Bob wants to look like a goober wearing his ammo belt near boob level and no one objects, it's his own fault if he shows up at a large match and gets called out for it AND he has no right to complain.

 

Four or five of our shooters attended Winter Range this year, none went to EOT and the only one going to Bordertown is me and all of the folks attending the larger matches know how to clean up and look sharp for the "big match attire police".

 

I just don't see the problem.

Just depends if your club want to follow & obey all the SASS rules for monthly matches or not. Sounds like yours doesn't. So which rules do you (local club) play by?

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I've got to ask, do you guys go around at your local weekend matches with tape measures checking belt positions? Do you also keep a keen eye open for proper approved footwear, approved hat material and type, appropriate clothing, distance between holsters and check ammo for correct power levels? At these matches do you challenge violators face to face or enforce punitive measures on the spot? I'll guess the answer is no so why mention it here?

 

At our local club shoots, I have never seen anyone approach another shooter and chastise them for an infraction and I think the reason is that we all show up to have a good time visiting and shooting and no one really cares if Dave shows up in a Panama Jack straw hat because he forgot his cowboy hat and this one works to keep the sun off his head.

 

And as far as getting away with minor deviations at local matches causing problems at larger matches goes, realistically this is not much of a problem depending on the club. If Chubby Chub Bob wants to look like a goober wearing his ammo belt near boob level and no one objects, it's his own fault if he shows up at a large match and gets called out for it AND he has no right to complain.

 

Four or five of our shooters attended Winter Range this year, none went to EOT and the only one going to Bordertown is me and all of the folks attending the larger matches know how to clean up and look sharp for the "big match attire police".

 

I just don't see the problem.

 

The majority of competitors at major matches WILL be sure to comply with SASS rules & regs...however, there are a few who don't bother to READ the rules & rely on whatever the shooters at their home club say or allow at their monthly matches.

Those of us who attend those sanctioned matches as match officials are the ones who actually SEE the problem and then have to deal with it at that level.

 

As I've often written, "That's how I've always done it at home & nobody ever said anything" is NOT an acceptable excuse.

Letting shooters do whatever they want at the local level does NO ONE any favors...especially those shooters who move on to compete at the State + level matches.

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Just depends if your club want to follow & obey all the SASS rules for monthly matches or not. Sounds like yours doesn't. So which rules do you (local club) play by?

 

The safety related rules to be sure BUT............ I haven't seen anyone sent home for not wearing approved clothing on a hot day and judging from the hundreds of videos on the internet, we're NOT the only club who doesn't OBEY every Sass rule to the letter on the weekend shoots.

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The safety related rules to be sure BUT............ I haven't seen anyone sent home for not wearing approved clothing on a hot day and judging from the hundreds of videos on the internet, we're NOT the only club who doesn't OBEY every Sass rule to the letter on the weekend shoots.

Certainly your club is not the only one and as long as your club does not claim to follow all SASS rules, that's fine. However, many clubs do.

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Just depends if your club want to follow & obey all the SASS rules for monthly matches or not. Sounds like yours doesn't. So which rules do you (local club) play by?

Many many clubs have special rules that are either in addition to or a relaxation of SASS rules. Examples include less oversight at loading table, dress appropiate to adverse weather, no live rounds in an open shotgun when moving, must use club loading blocks at loading table, etc. Most of these changes are either announced at the safety meeting or club website.

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One for the shoots in question was a major shoot just before the SASS Canadian Nationals , when I called Him on it he lowered his Shell belt by a good 8 inches....

The club clearly stated all SASS rules apply.... One Lady has a custom belt that has a row of shells (12) I think, and a second row of 6 above the first row ...

This double stack belt is worn over 6 inches above her gunbelt ...

 

 

Jabez Cowboy

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I now wear a sheath knife on my gunbelt. I slide the sheath into my hip pocket which keeps the gun belt from going south to the amusement of all of my posse members.

So, your sheath's in your hip pocket. . .which is on your pants. . .which are held up by ??? Suspenders? You can't say a belt. :lol:

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I have my suspenders attached to my gun belt to fight that. I do have plenty of rump, but the gun belt still slides down. Recently I got some britches that have buttons for suspenders, and I'm thinking of getting another set for the pants. I wonder how funny it would look wearing 2 suspenders. I think I better put another belt on under my gunbelt to complete the look.

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I think the mindset of "It's just a local shoot" is not as common as folks make it out to be.

I know at our "local" shoots and as at many other "local shoots" - there are shooters with State Championships, National Championships and World Championships. And many others with aspirations for these awards.

 

I don't really see the attitude of "its a local match - so it doesn't matter".

I am not going to claim that we have NEVER cut some slack to new or younger shooters - BUT if we do; it is ALWAYS done with the caveat of retraining.

They are certainly going to know what they did wrong and will be expected to fix their infraction.

 

We conduct and shoot our local matches with the same mindset of a championship shoot.

 

Be safe.

Play hard.

Have fun.

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So, your sheath's in your hip pocket. . .which is on your pants. . .which are held up by ??? Suspenders? You can't say a belt. :lol:

The pants are held by suspenders and the knife in the pocket is just enough of a chock to keep the impending disaster from starting.

 

Can anyone tell me why Ain't Dunnit's gun belt doesn't fall off? That thing is hanging way below his hip joints with no suspenders.

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The pants are held by suspenders and the knife in the pocket is just enough of a chock to keep the impending disaster from starting.

 

Can anyone tell me why Ain't Dunnit's gun belt doesn't fall off? That thing is hanging way below his hip joints with no suspenders.

When you're as big as he is, you don't fall off without permission ! :D :D

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The pants are held by suspenders and the knife in the pocket is just enough of a chock to keep the impending disaster from starting.

 

Can anyone tell me why Ain't Dunnit's gun belt doesn't fall off? That thing is hanging way below his hip joints with no suspenders.

It's top secret, but if you must know click here.

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One for the shoots in question was a major shoot just before the SASS Canadian Nationals , when I called Him on it he lowered his Shell belt by a good 8 inches....

The club clearly stated all SASS rules apply.... One Lady has a custom belt that has a row of shells (12) I think, and a second row of 6 above the first row ...

This double stack belt is worn over 6 inches above her gunbelt ...

 

 

Jabez Cowboy

Hello Jabez,

 

I have two points to make about your post. First, many people wear their gunbelts quite low. So, the distance to the gunbelt is not necessarily relevant.

 

Second, One row of shells above another is likely to be legal. It is one row behind another, so that the front row sticks away from the body, that is not legal.

 

Following is an example of a legal gunbelt with a row of shells above another.

 

dixiebell.jpg

 

Regards,

 

Allie

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In the case of the "Dixie Belle" rig pictured, the second row of shot shells are still clearly BELOW the navel.

The second row of shells would be illegal if they were ABOVE the navel.

 

Where the belt is in relation to their holster belt or anything else make no difference.

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Allie,

 

The belt I am talking about is a separate belt worn above the gunbelt with an extended up-wards row of shells above the bottom row , both rows of shells are removed by pulling up-wards ...

What I'm talking about was worn with the bottom of the lower row of shells about 6 inches above the gunbelt and the bottom of the top row of shells about 2 inches above the top of the bottom row ...

 

I wish I had photos ,,,,,,,,,,and knew how to post them ....

 

Jabez Cowboy

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Allie,

 

The belt I am talking about is a separate belt worn above the gunbelt with an extended up-wards row of shells above the bottom row , both rows of shells are removed by pulling up-wards ...

What I'm talking about was worn with the bottom of the lower row of shells about 6 inches above the gunbelt and the bottom of the top row of shells about 2 inches above the top of the bottom row ...

 

I wish I had photos ,,,,,,,,,,and knew how to post them ....

 

Jabez Cowboy

 

Measuring distance above the gun belt really does no good unless one knows the actual location of the shooter's belly button.

A gun rig worn low on the hips by a taller, long-torsoed person below a SG ammo belt worn legally might still cause comment or question.

Appearances can be deceptive in some cases.

 

There is a simple, nonintrusive test to make that determination...just ask the shooter to close eyes and point to navel...if they touch any part of the ammo, they're OK.

...if the ammo is above the finger, they are in violation of the rule.

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:D:lol::D:lol::D:lol:

Buck, you owe me a keyboard.

And another cup of coffee!

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I Can not see how any belt that holds the top of the top row of shotshells at least 14 inches above the gunbelt on a lady that is at the most 5 foot 2 can be legal ...

 

Or how any belt wore so the bottom 3 ribs are clearly visible under the bottom of the shell belt can by legally worn ... But enough said ...

 

This has been a good discussion thanks pards ....

 

 

Jabez Cowboy

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I Can not see how any belt that holds the top of the top row of shotshells at least 14 inches above the gunbelt on a lady that is at the most 5 foot 2 can be legal ...

 

Or how any belt wore so the bottom 3 ribs are clearly visible under the bottom of the shell belt can by legally worn ... But enough said ...

 

This has been a good discussion thanks pards ....

 

 

Jabez Cowboy

There is nothing ILLEGAL about the belt.

It is the position of the shells in that belt that determines if they are legally carried or not.

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