Creeker, SASS #43022

Took about 30 seconds. The song in question was based in Detroit; so the area code was 313. Simple Google search gives the name of the guy who had the number at that time. He has since moved to Minnesota.

Maybe not specifically - but I can try. I use the Grande Dame/ Buckeroo gauge. If both your Grande Dames AND your Buckeroos come off the same stage grinning - it's generally a fun match. If your shooters feel like the match provides stages (design, target sizes/ distances) and sequences designed to encourage their success rather than setting them up for failure - it will generally be a fun match. When stages and sequences encourage shooters to go faster versus encouraging them to slow down - it will generally be a fun match. Fun doesn't mean we are doing away with target distances, movement, props or sequences - that is all part of Cowboy Action. Fun simply means that success navigating the the target distances, movements, props and sequences is more accessible to a greater percentage of shooters. Yes, there are folks that define fun differently - if there are not (sufficient to their tastes) "challenging" targets, stages or sequences - some individuals will not have fun. But, a lot of time (not always) - their "fun" is based upon seeing others fail. Fun is about encouraging everyone to succeed - some will just succeed faster than others. I guarantee If you set a match that makes the old ladies smile and the youngsters giggle - you will please a lot more folks than you disappoint.

Sarcasm - my friend. Bordertown is a fantastic, vibrant and successful shoot because you remember that we are in the entertainment business. Providing everyone, from the match champion to the last place shooter, with a FUN experience; that brings the shooters back year after year. I hope everyone knows my love for Bordertown.

Yup, that's why Bordertown is dying and all the known small, far and challenging matches have thrived. I don't understand when it is so obvious. I also wonder if any of these folks that claim some great insight into the "decline" of SASS have ever actually ran a successful club that attracted or retained shooters.

My plan was pins would need to be knocked OFF the platform. With a 6 pin design, head pin, next row - 2 pins, third row - 3 pins. I was thinking 6 round mag limits - assuming the odds are against 6 rounds clearing the pins from platform. I was also going to incorporate a 10 - 12 second time limit as well to encourage speed of engagement. So a shooter would start at low ready (to avoid requiring draw from holster), additional mags staged on a table. On the beep - engage the pins until off the platform or until 2nd beep/ ceasefire at 12 seconds. The scoring is simply number of pins on ground. Five frame events - with targets getting closer each frame. 1st frame would have pins at 24, 25 and 26 feet. 2nd frame would bring pins two foot closer. 22, 23, 24 foot. 3rd frame - two foot closer again. 20, 21, 23 4th frame - two foot closer again. 18, 19, 20 5th frame - two foot closer again. 16, 17, 18

I know - the number of folks that have died at SASS matches from close targets is astounding.

We (my families gunshop) are looking at starting up a bowling pin shoot. In designing the matches and rules - we have have decided that until we have sufficient numbers to separate out differing capacity magazines and gun designs - the easiest method to level the field is to lump everyone together and limit quantity of rounds within a magazine. I like the idea of "forcing" at least a singular mag change as it adds a secondary component to the competition. When I get everything detailed out - I'll post my version to the wire for input.

If there are people involved, there will be cheatin' There's nothing that occurs in professional sports that does not occur in amateur sports. Just the trinkets are different.

I have absolutely ZERO actual insight into the reasons that EOT is making the above changes. But I have some speculation. End of Trail (and Winter Range before it) were "rarely" ever referred to or considered as "fun" shoots. They were "challenging/ difficult" matches that an element within our game felt was necessary to be considered a prestigious championship shoot. And the prevailing sentiment among most folks I spoke with was, "No, it wasn't necessarily fun, but IF you want to shoot the (when it was Winter Range) National Championship, or (now, EoT) World Championship - you have to grit your teeth and accept that is the match you're getting." But, only 30 something folks are actually going to win a championship at EoT; only a 100 or so have any sort of realistic chance to do so. That means that 700 or so shooters are shooting a match that they KNOW they will not win. These 700 or so best be having "fun" or they will eventually tire of attending. I believe that an effort is being made to redirect EoT to make the match more "fun" for the 700 or so non championship level participants versus increased challenge for the 100 or so potential champions. That, in my opinion, is a wise move. It will make the match more accessible and enjoyable for all - instead of a match that is to be endured simply because it is EoT. As long as everyone present competes under the same rules and conditions - then it is fair to compare results and award results. There is absolutely no reason that a championship match cannot be both prestigious and fun at the same time. And a straightforward, fun EoT? Hmm, it might be time to return to Ben Avery.

Very welcome words. It takes leadership to determine that a wrong path may have been chosen and an even stronger will to make the needed changes to correct course. This may encourage some that have passed on EOT (since its move to Phoenix) to return. I applaud the changes.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner. All my businesses, primary employees and my home office have the same Brother Laser printers. I buy our cartridges in bulk - and since they are all the same; I only need one set of drivers on my laptop when I travel between offices. Clean copies, good scanning. If I need something in color - I can go to Office Max and print it off my flash drives. And yes, I use my printer everyday.

Just realized this club is only 500 miles away from me; easy drive. So tell me about this shoot.

More refined than that - especially in poker; poker is "almost" more about the hands you don't lose than it is about the hands you win. And in poker - you want other players to have GREAT hands; not junk. Players don't commit their chips with junk; you just need to have something better. IF (as in the video I posted), you know the ultimate outcome of the hands - you will have to throw away a lot of losing hands. But if you're not invested in those hands - who cares? All you've lost is time and if this is a long con; you have that time. You might even deliberately lose some smallish pots to avoid suspicion - because all you're looking for is that ONE hand that gets the other guy to commit all his chips on a hand he feels can't lose and YOU KNOW is a loser. That's the danger of these types of cheating scams - real life is random and sometimes long shots payoff. Short term variance says ANYTHING is possible and I have watched even good players lose their bankrolls to 50 to 1 shots. Players don't like it but they understand that it happens - to get caught; the house would have to be stupid, get greedy or be informed on from the inside. Additionally the "gambler" who is going to this type of home game to meet a star and play nose bleed levels is likely NOT a good player. They are probably ego driven and minimally skilled - this is the perfect player to push into situations that they won't back down from and that has enough bankroll to feel like they are powerful enough to push back. When that player has good cards and the other player can KNOW they have better? Someone will make a lot of money.

Long video - but if you are a poker player, casual or otherwise, incredibly interesting. Never say never, but exceedingly unlikely to happen within a legit casino; but this is A reason to never get involved in "home games" at any significant level. I don't play nosebleed stakes - and I don't play home games; so I am not that worried - but in high dollar play; this would be devastating.

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