Chili Pepper Pete 11917 Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 I'm thinking about shooting Plainsman at Winter Range and I'm curious what rifle do the faster shooters use and what caliber? Is 38-40 a competitive cartridge for Plainsman? I have some options and want to get the wires opinion. 38-55 Target Classic with ejector 38-40 Handi Rifle with ejector 38-55 Browning High Wall What would be your choice and why? Also does anyone have the stages from last years Plainsman event at Winter Range that they could send me? Thank you all in advance Chili
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 The obvious choice would be a 34" Sharps or a Musket stocked Rolling Block..........I think thats what the hot dog plainsman are using.
Chili Pepper Pete 11917 Posted November 17, 2015 Author Posted November 17, 2015 I probably got one of them laying around too but its too heavy for me to lift up the stairs.
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 The obvious choice would be a 34" Sharps or a Musket stocked Rolling Block..........I think thats what the hot dog plainsman are using. Don't forget to get either one chambered in .45-70...full load of BP under 405gr bullet. Although my Sharps only has a 30" barrel (.40-70)...and the full-stock RB is an original 1879 Argentine in .43 Spanish. I usually use a .45-70 Remington RB with "Plainswoman Lite" loads for serial competition.
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 Don't forget to get either one chambered in .45-70...full load of BP under 405gr bullet. That's almost the exact setup I was planning to go with, though make the barrel only 30". I may not win, but I like to think I look like Tom Selleck doing it, minus the mustache and good looks
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 I'm thinking about shooting Plainsman at Winter Range and I'm curious what rifle do the faster shooters use and what caliber? Is 38-40 a competitive cartridge for Plainsman? I have some options and want to get the wires opinion. 38-55 Target Classic with ejector 38-40 Handi Rifle with ejector 38-55 Browning High Wall What would be your choice and why? Also does anyone have the stages from last years Plainsman event at Winter Range that they could send me? Thank you all in advance Chili I find rifle cartridges are easier to manipulate than the shorter handgun cartridges. I sometimes shoot a rolling block using 38 Specials. Those small cartridges are slow to load (but plenty of fun).
Lightfoot Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 I prefer not to shoot the ejector allowed category. But if I did a handi-rifle in 38-55 would be my choice. As mentioned above, pistol cartridges are harder for me to load. I shoot a Springfield Trapdoor Carbine 45-70, lots of fun and even more style points. Happy trails, Lightfoot
Rafe Conager SASS #56958 Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 45/70 rolling block, cause that's what I have Rafe
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Seriously though, get ahold of Lefty Eastman and use whatever he is using.
Clueless Bob Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Don't limit yourself. You could join a small group of shooters that feel that use of caps are not limited only to our revolvers. I'm talking about the Civil War era carbines. I shoot either my wife's repro Maynard or my original Burnside. I know they do not follow the strictest sense of the rules, but can you blame the original cartridge manufacture for not incorperating a rim. Yea, it's slow, but when you get everyone asking, "What is that?" or that look when you ask them if they want to shoot it is unmeasurable. You can also boast about being a good foundation for all the other shooters to build from.
Hoss Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I've shot Clueless Bobs Maynard. It was a treat. I've seen him shoot the Burnside, worth the watch! CB is a great cowboy.
Yusta B. Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Yep, Bob hears a little different music - but it's a right fine tune !
Cheatin Charlie Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 At our Tusco 3 day this year I shot my 1859 Sharps paper cartridge carbine. Dazzled them with my capping and decapping technique. Wasn't fast but had a blast ! I think I just started a poem !
Dustin Checotah Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I prefer not to shoot the ejector allowed category. But if I did a handi-rifle in 38-55 would be my choice. As mentioned above, pistol cartridges are harder for me to load. I shoot a Springfield Trapdoor Carbine 45-70, lots of fun and even more style points. Happy trails, Lightfoot Lightfoot, my H&R trapdoor carbine ejects the cases. Does your trapdoor eject or is it not functioning? Just curious. Dustin
Yusta B. Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 The 1871 Handi rifles come with & without ejectors.
Sedalia Dave Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 The 1871 Handi rifles come with & without ejectors. Get the one with ejectors. It is not hard to temporarily disable them so that they function as extractors.
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I always liked the Ballard #5 Pacific in .45-70. Never could afford one and now it's too late to start seriously shopping.
Charlie Plasters, SASS#60943 Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I always liked the Ballard #5 Pacific in .45-70. Never could afford one and now it's too late to start seriously shopping. Forty, maybe if you buy that burger over in Prescott I'll bring my Pacific and we can put a few rounds thru it.
Texas John Ringo, SASS #10138 Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I like my Winchester/Miroku Ltd 45/70 1885 Hi-Wall with 28" barrel.
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 The question was what do the fastest shooters use? If you want to win Plainsman the top rifle is the Handi Rifle (not the long barrel models) in .38-55 or .45-70 WITH an ejector.
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Yep, Charlie was somethin' shootin' that '59 Sharps. He won the Style Points category! --DAwg
Buffalo Dick, SASS #12880 Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 I use a 45-70 Handi with ejector and 22" barrel. Use equal amount of bp and filler under a 300 gr bullet. Remember, use .459" bullet, can't use .45Colt bullets. Light, accurate load at typical plainsman ranges and the short gun and big cartridges handle very well.
Guest Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 "Plainswoman Lite" Is that the load with a magnum primer and talcum powder firing a round ball?
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 "Plainswoman Lite" Is that the load with a magnum primer and talcum powder firing a round ball? Actually, it's a period "mil-spec" loading for the '73 Trapdoor carbine...as opposed to the rifle load. I supplied sidematch guns & ammo for some of our range staff for a couple of years. BTW - When I was running the Plainsman sidematches at OOWSS, the regular main match rifle targets were tested with a full-house .45-90...we found there was no need to "load down" (except possibly for shooter comfort)...as long as they were staked down well.
Blackey Cole Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 I use a handi rifle in 38-55 with an ejector. You can insert a shell between each finger and reload faster or that the way I saw it done but my hands don't work that well
Griff Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 I ain't exactly fast, but really enjoy my 1885 Browning in .45Colt. Any of the Plainsmen events I've been to don't require a rifle cartridge to reach out and ding steel.
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 So would a Martini-Henry be legal? No external hammer. So, for matches run by SASS rules no. Unless the match has some kind of special open category.
Jasper Agate Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Don't forget to get either one chambered in .45-70...full load of BP under 405gr bullet. Although my Sharps only has a 30" barrel (.40-70)...and the full-stock RB is an original 1879 Argentine in .43 Spanish. I usually use a .45-70 Remington RB with "Plainswoman Lite" loads for serial competition. I've got a soft spot for my 50/70 roller with a 20 inch barrel and a 480 grain bullet!! JA
Guest Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Actually, it's a period "mil-spec" loading for the '73 Trapdoor carbine...as opposed to the rifle load. I supplied sidematch guns & ammo for some of our range staff for a couple of years. BTW - When I was running the Plainsman sidematches at OOWSS, the regular main match rifle targets were tested with a full-house .45-90...we found there was no need to "load down" (except possibly for shooter comfort)...as long as they were staked down well. I apologize for my comment. I shot plainsman at Bordertown and overheard someone making the comment about talcum powder in a load and chose to use it here. Castalia
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 I apologize for my comment. I shot plainsman at Bordertown and overheard someone making the comment about talcum powder in a load and chose to use it here. Castalia Not a problem! One of the other shooters using a .45-70 was short a few rounds...I handed him the box with the RED-rimmed cartridges and this custom label on the box: ...we proceeded to tease him unmercifully about using the "girly" loads.
Chili Pepper Pete 11917 Posted November 20, 2015 Author Posted November 20, 2015 Thank you to all that sent in replys, Best regards, Chili
Cowboy Rick, SASS #49739L Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Thank you to all that sent in replys, Best regards, Chili Pete, Whatever you end up with, I'm sure you'll be good with it. I'm bettin' against the Trap Door Springfield. CR
Straight Arrow Hombre Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Chili, I think your h&r 38-40 will be the cats meow!!! Don't worry about the short cartridges. In your Lilliputian hands they'll be no different than my 45-70s in my human sized mitts.
Buxton Lookout, SASS #40999 Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 I think I may have found the ultimate Plainsman rifle. Winchester (Miroku) 1885 Highwall trapper in 38-55. 16.5 in barrel, kicks out the empty and cocks on closing. Do all of the work with your right hand and your left hand keeps it steady on your shoulder. I still need to practice to get smooth, but it may end up being faster than the handi-rifle - in my hands at least. Buxton
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