Chili Pepper Pete 11917

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Up for sale. 2 pair of elk stag grips for NMVs. Grips are smooth with just a little bark. They feel great in the hand and offer good grip in wet conditions. Asking $ 300.00 for the pair shipped.

I shot xdraw up until 5 or 6 years ago. I kept messing around with DD in practice but would never commit. Right from the start without practice the transition was a full second faster for DD but i kept telling myself one miss with the left gun would negate the advantage. I kept working at it and became more confident with my left hand and now 5 years later I am finally completely confident with my weak hand shooting. I am definitely faster with my strong hand but not by much. I also think how a match is set up can negate some of the advantage’s of DD. Lots of movement between guns seams to do that for me because moving between guns negates some of the transition time. IMO. All in all I’m glad I took the time to switch. Best regards, Chili

You guys just nailed what my intent was all along. Thank you! Chili

Is it that simple? This is not about Duelist as a category, this is about duelist style, as it pertains to all categories required to shoot that way. Shooting GF as a CC isn't an option and its not overly practical for Frontiersman because of cap and cylinder jams. I've done it but can be a bit awkward if something goes wrong. As for it being a disadvantage to traditional duelist shooters I guess I don't really see that as an issue, they choose to shoot how they shoot. Shooters in GF and Duelist categories don't shoot against each other so i'm having a hard time seeing how changing the rule has any effect on GFs at all. So what if it brings "Duelist" closer to GF why is that a problem?

I’m sure its the Gun. Best regards, Chili

CBB. I haven’t given that a whole lot of thought. I think what is possibly getting missed is that I am not specifically talking about Duelist. I am talking about all duelist style categories including Classic Cowboy, Frontiersman and all other Duelist shooting categories. To me we are talking about one specific change not altering these categories in any other way. Also my main reason and question about this proposal is about getting rid of the penalty for clearing leather early. I was not intending on merging or some how stepping on GF toes. I have a problem with 2 categories being able to do something others cant when it is not related to safety. I may be wrong but doesn’t this rule pre date GF and has just always been this way. I admit I may not have thought of some of the things people brought up but thats why I asked for thought and opinions. Next I will concede that I am not an expert on GF and the intricate rules that apply specifically to them. What is the purpose of the not being able to reholster for GF rule? Is it based on safety? Seams that if its ok for every other category it isn’t safety based? Honestly I think it is an outdated rule too because it forces match directors to pretty much always do back to back pistols or encounter the rath of the GF ( yes I know some still do but kinda rare). Or maybe we leave it as is so we have another category specific rule. But Yes I have no issue with it going away Duelist must shoot one pistol dry and then the other / GF & BW do not. They may but are not required to. To me this is the fundamental difference and as such a GF should be able to shoot faster than a duelist based on the fact that GF may have two cocked pistols but a D will always have only one. While it would be allowed if the rule was changed I doubt I would pull both pistols at the beep. GFs seem to pull both pistols and point them at the same time, they kinda rock back and forth aiming each gun as they alternate shots on targets. I think a duelist would concentrate on the gun their shooting and then switch focus to the second gun but thats just my opinion. To me they are still 2 very different styles of shooting I’m not sure what other diffences there would be but then I don’t know all the differences now. What do you think the other differences are that I missed? Additional thoughts Best regards, Chili

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I have no issue with including two handed shooters into the mix. The back story kinda helps make the point that no one cared about it prior to GF and BW. It was the rule and just how it was done. I don’t agree that DD didn’t exist in the early days because when I started in the mid 90s there were plenty of people doing it that later became GFs. It was freaking cool. GF comes along and it got cooler. I tend to want fairness and equality across all the categories. I agree that some rules are needed to separate categories and keep them autonomous. I am not convinced this rule does that but thats my opinion. Best regards Chili

I too have been shooting Duelist categories for over 20 years so I’m not sure how that is relevant and please don’t be polite on my account, I’m tough and can handle a little verbal abuse. I see this as a obsolete and unnecessary rule since the advent of BW and GF (My Opinion) You like it as is and I respect that and others who share your opinion. I don’t have to agree to be respectful. Best regards Chili

I truly do understand the clarification but the reality is that for any half fast duelist shooter the first gun in hand will be cocked too quickly for the correction to take place. IMO while the option to correct is available, it probably wont stop the P

True, but that’s the point You have to wait till the hammer drops on the 5th round. Not a nanosecond before. Wouldn’t it be nice to start drawing your second pistol on the 3 or 4th shot instead of having to wait? Best regards Chili

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SG. With all do respect. As opposed to having to tell if a GF shot 2 rounds at the same time and arguing about that. Plus the TO should be looking right at the shooters pistols so i would think that would be a pretty easy call to make, don’t you?

Major, You are obviously an accomplished shooter based your profile. It appears that you are a GF and FC shooter but I don’t see duelist? Why don’t you think the rule should be changed? In your GF catagory you can draw however and how many you wish without being penelized. So why isn’t that a good thing for me too. As to your solution sir, As a Frontiersman, it sucks having a cap jam or stuck cylinder with a loaded gun in each hand. Best regards, Chili

And No One else sees this as a problem? We cant even clear leather without getting a P

I have no intention of going down that road. CG. I’m not sure how incompetent people in our sport is an issue in this discussion. They are already out there so I’m not sure that point is valid. My question is more about why it is ok for 2 categories to do it with no chance of a P but all duelist categories are subject to it. All I want is an honest look at the rule to see if it could be amended to allow a Duelist to draw his second pistol before the first is empty. Duelist would still have to shoot one gun dry before shooting the second. I’m not trying to change the world here.

So if I read the TG report correctly a GF or BW can in fact draw both pistols and shoot double duelist without penalty. 5 out of one then 5 out of the other one = no P. Is that Correct?

The whole point is that a duelist cant draw his second gun until the first is empty. Hell a BW shooter could pull both pistols, cock one pistol and start shooting, change his mind about the other and reholster while shooting and it would be a NO CALL

Hell I can hold my shotgun in one hand and shoot my pistol with the other if i’d Like but I cant draw my second revolver with out the first one being shot dry. Come on! This rule has nothing to do with safely. Are GFs and BW somehow more safe than Duelist ?