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I just ordered a 1851 Navy Revolver in 36 cal and I am new to black powder firearms.  The Ballistol company says that their product mixed  one part Ballistol in two parts water will clean a black powder gun.  What do you think?

 

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Chestnut Louie

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Yep, that’s correct. Use it allp the time on my bp guns. 

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I think I'd rather use Windex with VINEGAR to clean it and Eezox or Frog Lube to wipe it down with after that. Ballistol is great during the matches.

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Works just fine, but you'll get a lot of varying opinion's.  Just give it a try and see if you like the result's.

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One of my best friends is way up the food chain with the North-South Skirmish Association (Civil War action shooting - not reenacting).  Their new favorite product is Butch's Bore Shine Black Powder.  It was developed by the government to clean large naval guns.  I've posted a link below.

 

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/268025/butchs-bore-shine-black-powder-bore-cleaning-solvent-8-oz-liquid

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You may find this video useful in cleaning your revolvers.  I personally do not clean with Ballistol but do lube with it after cleaning and during a match.

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Never used Ballistol so I don't know what I'm missing.  Been using water for past 50 years.  

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I have been using SimpleGreen for the last 20 years and it works great and is cheap to buy.

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Actually,

moose milk:

A mixture of water-soluble oil and water.

Cleans the fouling and leaves the oil behind when the water evaporates.

Before Ballistol became all the rage, muzzleloaders used any water soluble oil. 

If I remember correctly we used to use one marketed by NAPA

I usually use 70 - 80% water and 20-30% Ballistol

 

A lot of folks use Murphy's Mix, also called PAM, 1/3 each  Murphys oil soap, rubbing alcohol and hydrogen peroxide.

 

Hot soapy water has worked for me for 35 years.

After cleaning, I blow 'em dry & lube 'em down.

--Dawg

 

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I’ve been using one part Ballistol  mixed with four parts water (20% solution) for cleaning American Pioneer Powder with great results.

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Like Tyrel mentions, I use Windex WITH VINEGAR to clean then I do follow with Ballistol.  True with smokeless cleaning also.  I often try different cleaners but seem to most always come back to WwV and follow with Ballistol.

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2 hours ago, Tyrel Cody said:

I think I'd rather use Windex with VINEGAR to clean it and Eezox or Frog Lube to wipe it down with after that. Ballistol is great during the matches.

Best BP cleaner there is!

WD-40 works well during the match......

OLG

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Baby wipes have always worked great and fast as well.  Ballistol is a really good lube with black powder. Spray it into the barrels of my shot gun between stages and never had an issue with shucking shells.  A quick blast on the carrier for the lever gun.  

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"Moose Milk" is my go-to real Black Powder cleaner.  25% Ballistol 75% water.

 

After shooting my cap & ball pistols, I remove the grips and trigger guard and soak them in hot water and Dawn.  A good scrub down, wipe dry then a final wipe with Moose Milk.  After the water evaporates, a nice thin, protective film of Ballistol remains.

 

You will find cleaning BP is far easier than smokeless.  If all you have is soap and water, that will do the job too.

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1 hour ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Best BP cleaner there is!

WD-40 works well during the match......

OLG

 

Hey Lumpy, you have made that statement many times in the past, but isn't WD40 a petroleum distilate product that can contribute to hard fowling?:blink:

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the gentleman who introduced me to this game shortly after the turn of the century used it liberally at every cleaning after every day of each match we attended , i have used it more sparingly [because i seldom shoot black] but i wholeheartedly endorse its use 

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I've used all of the above recipes and they all work well,

but none work as good as Dawg Wizz

1 part Murphy's Oil Soap, 1 part Hydrogen peroxide, 1 part rubbing alcohol .... and 1 part water "optional"

It takes very little to clean up and a batch lasts a Long Time.

 

Black Dawg Powder Company use to sell it & Wally the original Dawg Nose gave me the recipe.

 

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In a Word ,,,,,,,, Yes ...

 

Jabez Cowboy

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12 hours ago, Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 said:

A lot of folks use Murphy's Mix, also called PAM, 1/3 each  Murphys oil soap, rubbing alcohol and hydrogen peroxide.

--Dawg

 

Yep, Murphy's Mix for cleaning, Ballistol for after;) Good Luck:)

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8 hours ago, Silver Sam, SASS #34718L said:

I've used all of the above recipes and they all work well,

but none work as good as Dawg Wizz

1 part Murphy's Oil Soap, 1 part Hydrogen peroxide, 1 part rubbing alcohol .... and 1 part water "optional"

It takes very little to clean up and a batch lasts a Long Time.

 

Black Dawg Powder Company use to sell it & Wally the original Dawg Nose gave me the recipe.

 

Got my Dawge Whizz bottle in gun cart now Sam.    Always wondered exactly what was in the solution.  I thought Wally probably just added a  dash of his  "secret" ingredient to Windex w Vinegar..

One used to be able to  find WwV wipes which were handy as you could tear off piece to use as a patch for a quick cleaning.  Wipes may still be available, but don't think in the vinegar variety.  Their downside was that wipes would often dry out before complete package was used.

 

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12 hours ago, Dutch Wheeler said:

 

Hey Lumpy, you have made that statement many times in the past, but isn't WD40 a petroleum distilate product that can contribute to hard fowling?:blink:

You would think it so-

It's has worked well for me in my SASS gunz when I run real BP.

WD-40 is mineral oil, and some solvents.

OLG

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I've been using Ballistol for years.....it is a water soluble oil. I uses a 50/50 mixture with water added to Ballistol.

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I prefer the mixes with Murphy's Oil soap- it works great, I don't lube aftewards and the smell is far weaker and not unpleasant.  Ballistol isn't the worst smell in the world, but it is fairly unpleasant to many people.

 

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19 hours ago, Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 said:

Actually,

moose milk:

A mixture of water-soluble oil and water.

Cleans the fouling and leaves the oil behind when the water evaporates.

Before Ballistol became all the rage, muzzleloaders used any water soluble oil. 

If I remember correctly we used to use one marketed by NAPA

I usually use 70 - 80% water and 20-30% Ballistol

 

A lot of folks use Murphy's Mix, also called PAM, 1/3 each  Murphys oil soap, rubbing alcohol and hydrogen peroxide.

 

Hot soapy water has worked for me for 35 years.

After cleaning, I blow 'em dry & lube 'em down.

--Dawg

 

That is vegetable oil, and it goes sour/rancid in time or warm/hot weather.

It's still used today as a cheap cutting oil.

I will never let it get close to any gun of mine........

OLG

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15 hours ago, Dutch Wheeler said:

"Moose Milk" is my go-to real Black Powder cleaner.  25% Ballistol 75% water.

 

After shooting my cap & ball pistols, I remove the grips and trigger guard and soak them in hot water and Dawn.  A good scrub down, wipe dry then a final wipe with Moose Milk.  After the water evaporates, a nice thin, protective film of Ballistol remains.

 

You will find cleaning BP is far easier than smokeless.  If all you have is soap and water, that will do the job too.

 

That's my process as well, except I use hot water with Ballistol instead of Dawn.  Then clean as you described, dry with soft absorbent patches, and rub with Ballistol covered rag to leave that nice thin protective film.  I've done this for years, kept rust at bay, and kept the guns going strong!

 

Dutch is right on - BP isn't that hard to clean.  I will say that HOT water really helps.  Some guys use the dishwasher, but when I ask her, she just walks away. . . :D

 

Keep your powder dry,

Wild Ben

 

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I've never found anything that melts BP fouling faster than water. Hot or cold water and a bore mop just wipes the crud away. The problem is getting the parts dry before rust forms. Ballistol and water mixed works pretty darn good for cleaning and a shot on a sticky carrier will free it right up.

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3 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

That is vegetable oil, and it goes sour/rancid in time or warm/hot weather.

It's still used today as a cheap cutting oil.

I will never let it get close to any gun of mine........

OLG

 Are you saying the residue left by Murphy's mix will go rancid?  Never heard nor experienced such.

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Just now, J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE said:

 Are you saying the residue left by Murphy's mix will go rancid?  Never heard nor experienced such.

Didn't say Murphy's-never used it.

OLG

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34 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Didn't say Murphy's-never used it.

OLG

 

...then which vegetable oil product are you referring too that goes sour/rancid? 

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I use Huggies baby wipes to clean & then spray with Ballistol to lubricate.

This has worked for me for 20 years.

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21 hours ago, Warden Callaway said:

Never used Ballistol so I don't know what I'm missing.  Been using water for past 50 years.  

Yer not missing anything... Ballistol is one of the most over touted items on the SASS wire. I am totally mystified at the number of people that have bought into the hype of this stuff. If you mix up their so-called Moose Milk and use it, you had better do a very good job of getting it all out of the gun or you will find yourself with a bunch of rust.  Water with Just about ANYTHING, including water will clean BP fouling just fine. Windex is fine. After you are finished,  Wipe it down... then use............….duh.... NOT something that mixes with water, but something that displaces water..... duh, like WD-40... yep, someone along the line decided that no Black Powder guns should have anything to do with any petroleum product. Well that is just not so.  After you've cleaned your gun and displaced any water that is left, then OIL IT UP!.  Grease your balls too!

 

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