Lever Action for self-defense

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

Thanks Mike !

 

[Sixgun Sheridan]

If I had to I wouldn't hesitate to use my Uberti '73 in .357 Magnum for home defense. It would certainly do the job.

[Marshal Hangtree]

I'd have no qualms about grabbing my 66 in .44-40 if I couldn't get to my AR in time.

[July Smith]

I'm impressed, nice off hand shooting and I think that's the first 94AE in a pistol caliber I have seen work!

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

If it's all I had.

Far, from my first choice.

Lever rifles are so SLO to reload.........

OLG

[Trailrider #896]

The only qualms I would have about using any rifle inside a building, house, etc., would be over-penetration possibly even through the exterior wall into a neighbor's house (all frame construction).  Apart from that, I would grab one of my Rossi carbines, either .44-40 or .44 Mangle-em, depending on what was at hand.  A better choice, IMHO, would be a shotgun with birdshot, with #7 shot shells as a backup.  Birdshot?   At close range, inside the house, modern 12ga birdshot shells would probably not spread much at all, and would make quite a hole in a "target", without the danger of over-penetration.  Not to disparage what he is saying, but he is in a more rural area than most of us.

[Warden Callaway]

My whole problem with the concept is the need to defend yourself at a distance of 200 yards.  To be defence,  you'd have to be meeting a life threatening aggressor at 200 yards.  An attack of the zombies? 

 

I think more in terms of a home invasion or robbery or car jacking,  etc.  I can't see any rifle the first choice at defensive weapon at close distances.   

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

46 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

If it's all I had.

Far, from my first choice.

Lever rifles are so SLO to reload.........

OLG

That's why I own more than one.  A LOT more.  

 

If I do my job right, though, I'll only have to  clean one of them.

[Rye Miles #13621]

28 minutes ago, Warden Callaway said:

My whole problem with the concept is the need to defend yourself at a distance of 200 yards.  To be defence,  you'd have to be meeting a life threatening aggressor at 200 yards.  An attack of the zombies? 

 

I think more in terms of a home invasion or robbery or car jacking,  etc.  I can't see any rifle the first choice at defensive weapon at close distances.   

My personal HOME defense is handguns! I've got 'em planted around where I can get to 'em quickly! .357, 9mm, .45 and .38spl.

[Smuteye John SASS#24774]

2 hours ago, July Smith said:

I'm impressed, nice off hand shooting and I think that's the first 94AE in a pistol caliber I have seen work!

My Winchester 94 Trapper in .45Colt works reliably if I don't try to crank and yank on it to shoot fast. 

 

It was my house gun for a few years (loaded with 225gr Silvertips) before I got around to getting a dedicated shotgun built for the purpose.

[Yul Lose]

A lever gun beats a rock or a stick or a baseball bat so if it’s what you have use it. 

[Pat Riot]

My 94 Trails End .357 is very reliable and I used it for years shooting CAS. I would have no problem using it in self defense or the defense of my family.

 

It wouldn’t be my first choice but I wouldn’t hesitate to use it. 

[Warden Callaway]

8 hours ago, Warden Callaway said:

My whole problem with the concept is the need to defend yourself at a distance of 200 yards.  To be defence,  you'd have to be meeting a life threatening aggressor at 200 yards.  An attack of the zombies? 

 

I think more in terms of a home invasion or robbery or car jacking,  etc.  I can't see any rifle the first choice at defensive weapon at close distances.   

 

Having said that,  my first home defense gun was a Winchester 94 Buffalo Bill commemorative.  It hung on the living room wall with the magazine stoked.  We were just married a couple of years and I was under 21 and couldn't buy a handgun if I had the money. 

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

Personally I have a gun on me at all times .

But threw out me home I have several guns stashed .

From 380 ,38, 45 , AR15 and two different 12ga pumps,  All loaded and ready to come out and play .

I Pray I NEVER EVER have to shoot someone , But I will with out hesitation if called for .

Rooster   

[Painted Mohawk SASS 77785]

Thanks fer posting Rooster..yep them .44 mags will get the job done !!!!

[Red Cent]

 

 

 

A handgun is something you use to fight your way to your rifle.

[Shotgun Willie Nelson]

25 minutes ago, Red Cent said:

 

A handgun is something you use to fight your way to your rifle.

+1

Something I've been taught too.

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

I have been a CPL Instructor for many Years .

And I always told people a 380 in the pocket when you need a gun .

Is better then a 45 at home .

And if We all knew we would be in a gun fight today .

We all would carry a 12ga and or a Rifle of some sort .

 

I never much cared for the AR15 rifle .

It never appealed to me .

I have always loved Lever Action Rifles and thought they were fast and beautiful weapons.

 

But I have a good friend explain it to me this way .

Yes Your Lever action is a beautiful Rifle .

But Look at the AR15 as a tool and Not at the beauty of the Lever action rifle it dont Possess !

You Never want to be out gunned .

 

This got me to get My First AR15 Rifle   .

Sense then I have  bought a few more and even built one or two .

 

But No other Rifle will ever be as close to my heart as a Good Old Lever Action Rifle !

Rooster .

 

PS . There is NO Rifle Sexier then a Good Old Henry 1860 !

 

[Chili Ron]

Howdy,

A handgun is good for making the bad boys duck long enuf

to get to a REAL weapon.

However I bet a mares leg, carried open would back off most bad boys.

Do they have a mares leg shoulder holster???  Red Cent???

Best

CR

 

[Sixgun Sheridan]

8 hours ago, Red Cent said:

A handgun is something you use to fight your way to your rifle.

 

Makes perfect sense if you're an LEO and need to get back to your squad car and your patrol rifle. Civilian shootouts are almost always either home defense or a quick brawl at or near contact distance, and are usually over in a few seconds. A lever gun may be slow to reload but I have researched civilian shootings for a number of years now, and I still haven't found one where a civilian had to reload and resume shooting. Not saying it has never happened, but I haven't found any such tales. If ten rounds of .357 magnum out of a lever gun doesn't solve the problem then you my friend are in a war, not a shootout! Same goes with a pistol. The fight will be over long before you have time to pitch your pocket .380 and get to wherever you stashed your AR, so make sure you bring the girl you wanted to the dance in the first place. A fight on a ranch or rural property is a likely exception, but if you own a ranch you should be packing a long gun to begin with.

[Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103]

In a moment of critical stress -- and facing a shots-fired incident qualifies -- fine coordination and rational thought join hands and jump out the nearest window.

We are left with muscle memory, and training.

The soul who competes is the soul who will win; the late Jim Cirillo was New York Stakeout Squad's deadliest shot, and he competed regularly in PPC and police bullseye.

We gain that ability to perform effectively under stress by practicing under stress.

If a man picks up his lever rifle -- the same one with which he competes -- he is well armed, because he is effective with that tool.

There are other tools, and all will work:  they key is to be well practiced with that tool, and to have seasoned one's nerves by performing effectively under match pressure.

[Red Cent]

 

 

If all I had was an 1873 Winchester/Uberti, I could make it work. 

However, the other two are close by.

 

[Father Kit Cool Gun Garth]

9 hours ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said:

Personally I have a gun on me at all times .

But threw out me home I have several guns stashed .

From 380 ,38, 45 , AR15 and two different 12ga pumps,  All loaded and ready to come out and play .

I Pray I NEVER EVER have to shoot someone , But I will with out hesitation if called for .

Rooster   

 

Rooster:

      So it depends on which part of the house they break in as to the severity of the damage they receive.

      Heaven help them if it's that bathroom window where the AR15 is!

[Sixgun Sheridan]

A prepared man keeps a loaded gun in each bedroom, bathroom, den, kitchen, living room, dining room, attic, crawlspace, garage, and front and back porch. And he keeps one on him as well in case somebody breaks in while he's in the hallway.

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

10 minutes ago, Sixgun Sheridan said:

A prepared man keeps a loaded gun in each bedroom, bathroom, den, kitchen, living room, dining room, attic, crawlspace, garage, and front and back porch. And he keeps one on him as well in case somebody breaks in while he's in the hallway.

You forgot the laundry room....

OLG

[Red Cent]

The one in the bath room should be stainless, nickel plated, or coated. Inside a vinyl covered box with top helps. 

[Sixgun Sheridan]

Of course if you're Allie Mo this is probably the only home protection plan you need...

 

[twelve mile REB]

 

1 hour ago, Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 said:

In a moment of critical stress -- and facing a shots-fired incident qualifies -- fine coordination and rational thought join hands and jump out the nearest window.

We are left with muscle memory, and training.

The soul who competes is the soul who will win; the late Jim Cirillo was New York Stakeout Squad's deadliest shot, and he competed regularly in PPC and police bullseye.

We gain that ability to perform effectively under stress by practicing under stress.

If a man picks up his lever rifle -- the same one with which he competes -- he is well armed, because he is effective with that tool.

There are other tools, and all will work:  they key is to be well practiced with that tool, and to have seasoned one's nerves by performing effectively under match pressure.

 

Linn is perfectly correct, armed with anything is better than being unarmed and being armed with something you use regularly is better yet.  I really like the 1911 and I'm very well armed with it inside 50 yds. A zone hits are normal with a few in the B.  A shotgun is a great house gun powerful yet easy to handle, an ounce of shot more or less at 20 feet will discourage even the most dedicated evil doer.  However, without a commitment to practice and shooting an organized sport is great practice your choice of weapons is mostly rhetoric and will have little impact on the results.    

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

Many, many years ago, I remember Jeff Cooper printing an article about how he had added a new course at his ranch centered around the M94 in .30-30 for use in home defense for people who lived in places where access to handguns and/or more modern rifles was curtailed.

[Sixgun Sheridan]

Unfortunately by the time you're stuck with only a Winchester lever action for defense they probably took away your right to self-defense as well. England is a perfect case in point, where a lever gun is one of the few repeating firearms you can still own but you'll be in deep doo-doo if you ever use it on somebody, even if they broke into your house.

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

7 hours ago, Sixgun Sheridan said:

Unfortunately by the time you're stuck with only a Winchester lever action for defense they probably took away your right to self-defense as well. England is a perfect case in point, where a lever gun is one of the few repeating firearms you can still own but you'll be in deep doo-doo if you ever use it on somebody, even if they broke into your house.

I would rather be Judged by 12.

Then Carried by 6 .

 

[LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L]

I don't go places where I can't carry a firearm, and I don't live places I can't own an AR-15.  

[Tascosa, SASS# 24838]

The best gun for self defense is the gun you are good with.

[Sixgun Sheridan]

10 hours ago, LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L said:

I don't go places where I can't carry a firearm, and I don't live places I can't own an AR-15.  

 

Unfortunately a lot of us are being squeezed. WA is currently very AR -friendly, but that will change if the anti-gun initiative currently on the ballot passes. And if all the liberal goons in Florida win the election they will be sure to change their state to being hostile to AR ownership as well. Make sure to get out and vote folks, or we'll be defending our homes with cap n' ball revolvers soon.

[Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438]

11 minutes ago, Sixgun Sheridan said:

 

Unfortunately a lot of us are being squeezed. WA is currently very AR -friendly, but that will change if the anti-gun initiative currently on the ballot passes. And if all the liberal goons in Florida win the election they will be sure to change their state to being hostile to AR ownership as well. Make sure to get out and vote folks, or we'll be defending our homes with cap n' ball revolvers soon.

 

Don't we know it.  Our AG "reinterpreted" a state regulation (that had never been voted on by any citizen) to include semi-auto ARs and AKs as banned assault weapons, despite the fact that the regulation had never previously been so interpreted.  The state had permitted the sale, possession and use of such weapons for years; thousands were sold and owned here; and overnight, with nothing more than a letter, she banned their sale.  At least she has not confiscated them, or forced those of us who bought them before the ban to sell them out-of-state or surrender them.  For now, we have them, along with our "high capacity" 10 round magazines.  Don't hold your breath waiting for this situation to improve..

 

LL