Snakebite Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Phantom.... you are not dumb or stoopid... in fact, you are a pretty smart guy. I'm amazed anyone would call you that. Snakebite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I still maintain that if you are gonna call it, "The basketball travelling rule" you are implying that it is a rule that is never enforced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Phantom.... you are not dumb or stoopid... in fact, you are a pretty smart guy. I'm amazed anyone would call you that. Snakebite I agree. Tall and Ugly and a slow shooter...maybe. But not dumb or stoooopid. :) ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_slinger Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 4 pages of this wow. I'm new here. Shooting my first match this weekend. However, I've been involved in shooting sports for the better part of the past 40 years and I see something very troubling in this thread and have seen this same type of thing divide and permanently damage other shooting sports. That "thing" is, for lack of a better word, gamesmanship. Guys and gals, from a total newbie, be careful how far down the slippery slope you wish to travel. I've seen this movie before with other shooting sports and it typically does not have a happy ending. Remember, first and foremost it should be safe, followed by fun. I don't have a clue who this Tex person is. Either he's in charge of the rules committee and can make changes, he's the grand poo-bah of the association and can veto the rules committee or he's just another curmudgeon like the rest of us expressing his opinion. If he is in charge of the rules committee, work with him to get the rules clarified. If he's the grand poo-bah, well, he'll change the rules to fit his needs and you have a choice to obey or not. (Mutiny happens from time to time) If he's just another curmudgeon, take his opinion as that, his opinion. Everybody has the right to be wrong. Just an observation from a new fellow. Going back into lurk and learn mode now. Jeff - Guitar Slinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Rick, SASS #49739L Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Intent of shooter....... Intent of stage writer..... Intent of rule........ Operating on "intent" will ALWAYS cause confusion! Make decisions on what the shooter actually did.....what the stage writer actually wrote......and what the rule actually states in black & white.... Adding intent or "invisible" words to rules to make the rule conform to what the reader personally wants it to mean will only keep confusion in this sport to a maximum. We need an updated list of conventions. For instance, should a stage description "from either direction" imply starting on the end, or anywhere the shooter feels comfortable? This might help solve some stage writing issues. We need stage writers, not lawyers. CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Stage writers can take matters into their own hands by simply writing stages that require engagement of targets from a specific position on the firing line. Allowing target engagement between point A and B (if it is several steps) is asking for trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Guitar Slinger, first and foremost...WELCOME to SASS/CAS and the Wire. The Wire has a personality that might take you some time to get use to. Some of the folks on this Wire ARE on the Rules Committee and interpret those rules/guidelines for us. Tex is a member of the Wild Bunch. I guess, to my knowledge, they own this Wire forum and supply it to us to have these conversations. If and when the Wild Bunch decides they no longer want us to have these conversations on this forum, I reckon they will shut it down first. I can't explain the recent comments in Tex editorial but they do seem to contridict some of the more recent definitions of certain rules/guidelines. Don't be too alarmed. This Wire forum is used for ALOT of things and helping to understand rules, etc...is one of them. Problems, questions, etc....get hashed out and hopefully solved on The Wire. If any of us get to out of line, Allie Mo will shut us off or close down the thread. Its thats simple. Tex is a good feller. He wears big boots and can handle any of these comments that might seem contrite to his editorial. Some of these Pards that post on here are close friends with Tex. Alot of us have met him in person because he travels to alot of matches and makes himself available for conversations. He's probably enjoying this thread, maybe. When we start reaching the slippery slope, Allie will stop it quickly. Have a good day and again, WELCOME! Now that I've type all this stuff, another Pard has the right to post their disagreements. Thats how it is. Ya gotta love it! ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack, SASS #20451 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I have an opinion on this current "rule" and it's interpretarion by the ROC. I guess it will all be settled at EOT and we as TG's and shooters will get the final statement at that time. The only thing about this thread that saddens me is the way Tex is treated by many of the posters. He is one of the greatest promoters of our sport, has been a member of the Wild Bunch almost from the beginning, has the job of editing the CC which is not easy, and deserves some respect even from those that disagree with him. I certainly don't agree with all his positions but I won't denegrate him over them. It is pretty easy to disagree respectfully. Some on the wire need to learn how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I have an opinion on this current "rule" and it's interpretarion by the ROC. I guess it will all be settled at EOT and we as TG's and shooters will get the final statement at that time. The only thing about this thread that saddens me is the way Tex is treated by many of the posters. He is one of the greatest promoters of our sport, has been a member of the Wild Bunch almost from the beginning, has the job of editing the CC which is not easy, and deserves some respect even from those that disagree with him. I certainly don't agree with all his positions but I won't denegrate him over them. It is pretty easy to disagree respectfully. Some on the wire need to learn how. AMEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Sounds like it is going to be a pretty fun safety meeting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 4 pages of this wow. I'm new here. Shooting my first match this weekend. However, I've been involved in shooting sports for the better part of the past 40 years and I see something very troubling in this thread and have seen this same type of thing divide and permanently damage other shooting sports. That "thing" is, for lack of a better word, gamesmanship. Guys and gals, from a total newbie, be careful how far down the slippery slope you wish to travel. I've seen this movie before with other shooting sports and it typically does not have a happy ending. Remember, first and foremost it should be safe, followed by fun. I don't have a clue who this Tex person is. Either he's in charge of the rules committee and can make changes, he's the grand poo-bah of the association and can veto the rules committee or he's just another curmudgeon like the rest of us expressing his opinion. If he is in charge of the rules committee, work with him to get the rules clarified. If he's the grand poo-bah, well, he'll change the rules to fit his needs and you have a choice to obey or not. (Mutiny happens from time to time) If he's just another curmudgeon, take his opinion as that, his opinion. Everybody has the right to be wrong. Just an observation from a new fellow. Going back into lurk and learn mode now. Jeff - Guitar Slinger. The Wire is not the same as going to a shoot. Go shoot and have fun. And read these threads with a sack of popcorn, like I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I have an opinion on this current "rule" and it's interpretarion by the ROC. I guess it will all be settled at EOT and we as TG's and shooters will get the final statement at that time. The only thing about this thread that saddens me is the way Tex is treated by many of the posters. He is one of the greatest promoters of our sport, has been a member of the Wild Bunch almost from the beginning, has the job of editing the CC which is not easy, and deserves some respect even from those that disagree with him. I certainly don't agree with all his positions but I won't denegrate him over them. It is pretty easy to disagree respectfully. Some on the wire need to learn how. The only problem I have is Tex keeps bringing up the blue jean thing. He has his views and lots of us have ours. Blue Jeans (whatever the brand) are entirely legal as long as they don't have all that fancy thread work on their pockets. Until there is a rule that bans blue jeans specifically, I sure as heck will keep wearing them, beside they are really comfortable and fit my 72 year old body better that the canvas reproduction pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_slinger Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Guitar Slinger, first and foremost...WELCOME to SASS/CAS and the Wire. The Wire has a personality that might take you some time to get use to. Some of the folks on this Wire ARE on the Rules Committee and interpret those rules/guidelines for us. Tex is a member of the Wild Bunch. I guess, to my knowledge, they own this Wire forum and supply it to us to have these conversations. If and when the Wild Bunch decides they no longer want us to have these conversations on this forum, I reckon they will shut it down first. I can't explain the recent comments in Tex editorial but they do seem to contridict some of the more recent definitions of certain rules/guidelines. Don't be too alarmed. This Wire forum is used for ALOT of things and helping to understand rules, etc...is one of them. Problems, questions, etc....get hashed out and hopefully solved on The Wire. If any of us get to out of line, Allie Mo will shut us off or close down the thread. Its thats simple. Tex is a good feller. He wears big boots and can handle any of these comments that might seem contrite to his editorial. Some of these Pards that post on here are close friends with Tex. Alot of us have met him in person because he travels to alot of matches and makes himself available for conversations. He's probably enjoying this thread, maybe. When we start reaching the slippery slope, Allie will stop it quickly. Have a good day and again, WELCOME! Now that I've type all this stuff, another Pard has the right to post their disagreements. Thats how it is. Ya gotta love it! ..........Widder Thanks guys. I've been a match director, on rules committees, rang officer and other menial thankless tasks over the years for shooting sports, in my church and in various other volunteer efforts. Rules committee (or whatever it is called in SASS) is not always a "happy place" kind of job. I've been involved when the folks writing the rule knew what was meant and 99% of the people reading it knew what it meant, but there was always someone out there wanting to point out the 5th definition in the Oxford Unabridged Dictionary could possibly be interpreted to allow some widget to be attached to the sights of his / her rifle and thus give him/her a slight advantage over others trying to play by the rule as written. I honestly don't have a dog in this hunt. I've read the shooter's handbook a couple times this week in prep for the match and it seems clear enough. I'm looking forward to making things go clang and making things go bang, sharing a pretty Saturday with fellow shooters and taking my fair share of abuse as the new guy. I'm sure I'll get the job of picking dog droppings up off the range or some other job that nobody else wants to do (or is too smart to do) and there will undoubtedly be plenty of people there with vice grips and hammers offering to adjust the sights on my revolvers for me (free of charge no doubt). Seriously, I've been to a couple matches as a spectator, looks like a lot of fun so I'm diving in. I already had most of the firearms needed (and more than a few spares in the safe of ones I don't need).. Hey, I even won't be wearing jeans to the match... Gonna be fun. Thanks guys and gals for the warm welcome! Jeff - Guitar Slinger. (yes I do play guitar but I won't make anyone listen to me sing...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 4 pages of this wow. I'm new here. Shooting my first match this weekend. However, I've been involved in shooting sports for the better part of the past 40 years and I see something very troubling in this thread and have seen this same type of thing divide and permanently damage other shooting sports. That "thing" is, for lack of a better word, gamesmanship. Guys and gals, from a total newbie, be careful how far down the slippery slope you wish to travel. I've seen this movie before with other shooting sports and it typically does not have a happy ending. Remember, first and foremost it should be safe, followed by fun. I don't have a clue who this Tex person is. Either he's in charge of the rules committee and can make changes, he's the grand poo-bah of the association and can veto the rules committee or he's just another curmudgeon like the rest of us expressing his opinion. If he is in charge of the rules committee, work with him to get the rules clarified. If he's the grand poo-bah, well, he'll change the rules to fit his needs and you have a choice to obey or not. (Mutiny happens from time to time) If he's just another curmudgeon, take his opinion as that, his opinion. Everybody has the right to be wrong. Just an observation from a new fellow. Going back into lurk and learn mode now. Jeff - Guitar Slinger. Welcome pard! - as the saying goes...'SASS ain't the Wire and the Wire ain't SASS' is a general theme. The Wire can have some good info, good fun, and alot of support...mixed in with a little of the opposite. It's the internet after all The REAL action is where the shootin' and people go Keep your powder dry... GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Welcome Guitar Slinger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadeye Poncho Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I've read that RO I book over and over again and I must be missing something because what I read in Tex's article and what I read in the RO I book seems to me to be the same thing. It seems to me what Tex is saying is if the shooter closes the action on the rifle you need to come back and open it but if the action on the rifle closes by gravity or being bumped while laying the rifle down after it has been opened and cleared then the action can be left closed and at the conclusion of the stage the gun has to be cleared. RO I Stage Conventions pg 13 Long guns will be discarded open and empty with their barrels pointed safely down range. If the action of a long gun closes after being opened and emptied, the shooter will, at the conclusion of the stage, show it to be clear to the TO or spotter. Appropriate penalties will be applied if it is not clear. No one other than the competitor may handle the gun in question. RO I Appendix A Range Safety Rules Pg 17 If the action of a long gun closes after being opened and emptied, the shooter will, at the conclusion of the stage, show it to be clear to the TO or a spotter. Appropriate penalties will be applied if it was not clear. No one other than the competitor may handle the gun in question. And for the Blue Jeans I must have a little Tex in me because I frown on shooters showing up in BLUE JEANS. A lot of the reason I joined this sport was because of the costuming and I feel that if you are really into the spirit of the sport you would leave the blue jeans at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I have an opinion on this current "rule" and it's interpretarion by the ROC. I guess it will all be settled at EOT and we as TG's and shooters will get the final statement at that time. The only thing about this thread that saddens me is the way Tex is treated by many of the posters. He is one of the greatest promoters of our sport, has been a member of the Wild Bunch almost from the beginning, has the job of editing the CC which is not easy, and deserves some respect even from those that disagree with him. I certainly don't agree with all his positions but I won't denegrate him over them. It is pretty easy to disagree respectfully. Some on the wire need to learn how. Yep - I respect the heck outta the guy...may not always agree...but he's top-notch!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Arrow Hombre Posted May 29, 2014 Author Share Posted May 29, 2014 Yep - I respect the heck outta the guy...may not always agree...but he's top-notch!!! A big +1. I hope nobody will question Tex's commitment to the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 A big +1. I hope nobody will question Tex's commitment to the sport. I never have questioned his commitment...for those that have...can't say...rather than they are wrong I reckon. GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Arrow Hombre Posted May 29, 2014 Author Share Posted May 29, 2014 I've read that RO I book over and over again and I must be missing something because what I read in Tex's article and what I read in the RO I book seems to me to be the same thing. It seems to me what Tex is saying is if the shooter closes the action on the rifle you need to come back and open it but if the action on the rifle closes by gravity or being bumped while laying the rifle down after it has been opened and cleared then the action can be left closed and at the conclusion of the stage the gun has to be cleared. RO I Stage Conventions pg 13 Long guns will be discarded open and empty with their barrels pointed safely down range. If the action of a long gun closes after being opened and emptied, the shooter will, at the conclusion of the stage, show it to be clear to the TO or spotter. Appropriate penalties will be applied if it is not clear. No one other than the competitor may handle the gun in question. RO I Appendix A Range Safety Rules Pg 17 If the action of a long gun closes after being opened and emptied, the shooter will, at the conclusion of the stage, show it to be clear to the TO or a spotter. Appropriate penalties will be applied if it was not clear. No one other than the competitor may handle the gun in question. And for the Blue Jeans I must have a little Tex in me because I frown on shooters showing up in BLUE JEANS. A lot of the reason I joined this sport was because of the costuming and I feel that if you are really into the spirit of the sport you would leave the blue jeans at home. The rule as written doesn't specify how the gun closes. My contention with Tex's article concerns the TO having to judge the intent of the shooter. This is a direct contradiction of the Rule and Clafification posted here by the ROC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 "The Duke Can Do No Wrong." He often wore blue jeans. With a belt! Why is this even an issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 · Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, May 29, 2014 - Fire starter. Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, May 29, 2014 - Fire starter. See PWB, I read that definition...and I have no problem understanding it... And I've been called dumb, stoopid...even an A-hole... I can't help but notice that folks have only defended you on the first 2 charges, and everyone's been silent on the third. Maybe they think it's just happening in threads they don't read. Link to comment
Jefro, SASS#69420 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I have an opinion on this current "rule" and it's interpretarion by the ROC. I guess it will all be settled at EOT and we as TG's and shooters will get the final statement at that time. The only thing about this thread that saddens me is the way Tex is treated by many of the posters. He is one of the greatest promoters of our sport, has been a member of the Wild Bunch almost from the beginning, has the job of editing the CC which is not easy, and deserves some respect even from those that disagree with him. I certainly don't agree with all his positions but I won't denegrate him over them. It is pretty easy to disagree respectfully. Some on the wire need to learn how. I'm gonna respectfully disagree.........don't know why this needs to be settled at EOT. As far as I'm concerned this was settled months ago by the ROC and PW, and intent was never part of it........just like a miss can't cause a P. I've meet Tex and he's a fine feller, I take this as just another one of his editorials where he may be trying to shame some of us to doing it the way he thinks it should be..............blue jeans and all. Good Luck Jefro Relax-Enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucker McNeely Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 "The Duke Can Do No Wrong." He often wore blue jeans. With a belt! Why is this even an issue? Yup. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misty Moonshine Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Well hi everyone! We've GOT to stop meeting like this. The Wild Bunch is NOT trying to, nor would we, attempt to undermine or negate the authority or clarifications of the RO Committee, or the hard work and dedication of the TG's that represent the clubs and our members. First, let me be clear- I do not now, nor have I ever questioned Tex's commitment to SASS and CAS- with that being said, an editorial is just an editorial, folks. An editorial doesn’t change/make rules. The TG’s and the ROC do that! First, let's address this- here is what the rules actually state (and Tex's Editorial DIDN'T Change IT!): 17. Long guns will have their actions left open and the magazine/barrels empty at the conclusionof each shooting string. A 10 second minor safety penalty will be assessed if the firearm isnot cleared and opened. This condition may be corrected prior to the next round being fired.If the long gun is the last firearm used, it must be cleared prior to it leaving the shootershand(s) at the unloading table. This does not apply to guns shot out of sequence and made“safe” and then restaged. If the action of a long gun closes after being opened and emptied,the shooter will, at the conclusion of the stage, show it to be clear to the TO or a spotter.Appropriate penalties will be applied if it was not clear. No one other than the competitormay handle the gun in question.Examples:A Shooter returns to the long gun and opens it, and nothing is ejected and the chamber isempty — NO CALL.B. Shooter returns to the long gun and opens it, and an empty case/hull is ejected or in thechamber — Minor Safety Violation. If shooter returns to open and clear the action of along gun before firing the next gun on the stage — NO CALL.C. Shooter returns to the long gun and opens it, and a live/unfired round is ejected or in thechamber — Stage DQ for a long gun having left the shooter’s hand with the actionclosed, hammer cocked with a live round in the chamber. In this case there is noopportunity to return to open it if called back before being committed to the next firearm— the penalty applies the moment it left the shooter's hand.Should someone other than the competitor open the action of the gun, any penalties thatwould have been incurred will still be applied. *As voted on by the TG's, and clarified by the ROC- we stand to support them, and this process. Its done. Secondly, Blue Jeans. They are legal. For Tex, and for many others, the costuming portion of SASS and Cowboy Action Shooting is paramount. For many, its AS IMPORTANT as the shooting. That in't true for everyone, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Yes- being Cowboys and Cowgirls is (part of) what sets us apart from the other shooting sports, and dressing up can be alot of fun. Just as the Wire Forum provides a place for everyone to express their OPINION- Tex has his editorials, at least for a few more months. He feels very strongly about it, although he has admitted defeat in many areas there- his opinion is still quite clear on it. I reiterate- His opinion. With that being said, I am FAR from costuming police, and I support the standard set with the minimum requirements laid out for costuming. I can, however, also certainly agree that there are, in fact, certain venues where we really want to put our best foot forward in terms of costuming. Lastly- Shooting on the Move. The ROC, via PaleWolf, has clarified this BEAUTIFULLY. Please see here: http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=220719&hl=%2Bshooting+%2Bon+%2Bthe+%2Bmove The voice(s) of authority are, and will continue to be, the members of the ROC. In FULL support of the TG's, the ROC, Winning match directors, and blue jeans, Misty Moonshine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Well hi everyone! We've GOT to stop meeting like this. The Wild Bunch is NOT trying to, nor would we, attempt to undermine or negate the authority or clarifications of the RO Committee, or the hard work and dedication of the TG's that represent the clubs and our members. First, let me be clear- I do not now, nor have I every questioned Tex's commitment to SASS and CAS- with that being said, an editorial is just an editorial, folks. An editorial doesn’t change/make rules. The TG’s and the ROC do that! First, let's address this- here is what the rules actually state (and Tex's Editorial DIDN'T Change IT!): 17. Long guns will have their actions left open and the magazine/barrels empty at the conclusion of each shooting string. A 10 second minor safety penalty will be assessed if the firearm is not cleared and opened. This condition may be corrected prior to the next round being fired. If the long gun is the last firearm used, it must be cleared prior to it leaving the shooters hand(s) at the unloading table. This does not apply to guns shot out of sequence and made “safe” and then restaged. If the action of a long gun closes after being opened and emptied, the shooter will, at the conclusion of the stage, show it to be clear to the TO or a spotter. Appropriate penalties will be applied if it was not clear. No one other than the competitor may handle the gun in question. Examples: A Shooter returns to the long gun and opens it, and nothing is ejected and the chamber is empty — NO CALL. B. Shooter returns to the long gun and opens it, and an empty case/hull is ejected or in the chamber — Minor Safety Violation. If shooter returns to open and clear the action of a long gun before firing the next gun on the stage — NO CALL. C. Shooter returns to the long gun and opens it, and a live/unfired round is ejected or in the chamber — Stage DQ for a long gun having left the shooter’s hand with the action closed, hammer cocked with a live round in the chamber. In this case there is no opportunity to return to open it if called back before being committed to the next firearm — the penalty applies the moment it left the shooter's hand. Should someone other than the competitor open the action of the gun, any penalties that would have been incurred will still be applied. *As voted on by the TG's, and clarified by the ROC- we stand to support them, and this process. Its done. Secondly, Blue Jeans. They are legal. For Tex, and for many others, the costuming portion of SASS and Cowboy Action Shooting is paramount. For many, its AS IMPORTANT as the shooting. That in't true for everyone, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Yes- being Cowboys and Cowgirls is (part of) what sets us apart from the other shooting sports, and dressing up can be alot of fun. Just as the Wire Forum provides a place for everyone to express their OPINION- Tex has his editorials, at least for a few more months. He feels very strongly about it, although he has admitted defeat in many areas there- his opinion is still quite clear on it. I reiterate- His opinion. With that being said, I am FAR from costuming police, and I support the standard set with the minimum requirements laid out for costuming. I can, however, also certainly agree that there are, in fact, certain venues where we really want to put our best foot forward in terms of costuming. Lastly- Shooting on the Move. The ROC, via PaleWolf, has clarified this BEAUTIFULLY. Please see here: http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=220719&hl=%2Bshooting+%2Bon+%2Bthe+%2Bmove The voice(s) of authority are, and will continue to be, the members of the ROC. In FULL support of the TG's, the ROC, Winning match directors, and blue jeans, Misty Moonshine Yay... Now THAT's a BINGO! GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fillmore Coffins, SASS #7884 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Thanks Misty. Fillmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Well done and well said.... way to go....and thanks...the behind the scenes must have been quite something to watch and marvel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Misty Moonshine Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 So by what method will new rules or interpretations on long guns closed be established at EOT than used for Winter Range. In the past rules can be made/changed by the TGs at the summit with a 2/3 vote. If the Wild Bunch decrees the rule as Tex calls it in the CC then why do we have TGs and an RO committee? Please see my post above. The rule, as passed by the TG's and clarified by the ROC is the rule. There is nothing to settle at EOT- the final statement has been stated. We have TGs and an RO Committee to serve as intended. Tex's editorial doesn't change that- the Wild Bunch hasn't "decreed" anything. Nothin to see, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafe Conager SASS #56958 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 You go girl (Misty) some folks just gotta argue! Rafe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Fe River Stan,36999L Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Thanks Misty! Great Post! Stan - who clearly understands the intent of Misty's post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Buckhorn,SASS 51727 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Does somebody have a link I can go to about shooting on the move. When I go to the link Misty posted it says I am not allowed to view this forum. Thanks in advance for your help, Marlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misty Moonshine Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Does somebody have a link I can go to about shooting on the move. When I go to the link Misty posted it says I am not allowed to view this forum. Thanks in advance for your help, Marlin My apologies. I may have fudged up the link. Try this one: Grab your popcorn... Its a LONG thread...Keep an eye out for Pale Wolf's clarifications- those are key. http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=219854 Misty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Please see my post above. The rule, as passed by the TG's and clarified by the ROC is the rule. There is nothing to settle at EOT- the final statement has been stated. We have TGs and an RO Committee to serve as intended. Tex's editorial doesn't change that- the Wild Bunch hasn't "decreed" anything. Nothin to see, folks. Thanks for the clarification. You are very helpful. I think I will print out the clarification of the rules you quoted from the RO committee on how a long gun is closed after being opened and cleared either accidentally or on purpose is a no call and carry it in my gun cart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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