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Branchwater Jack SASS #88854

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  1. How about three months? https://www.sassnet.com/RAF.php https://www.sassnet.com/mercantile/referafriend.php
  2. Isn't it part of the charter for or TGs to be that communication layer? Communicate the Cowboy Action Shooting story locally/regionally to further the growth of the game Represent and support SASS, its philosophy, and its purpose to club members
  3. There is also a world champion page that has profiles of many of SASS's world champions. This one has not been updated with 2018 and 2019 results, however. https://www.sassnet.com/EoT/champions.php
  4. I know that SASS has always had really great themes for EOT each year. @Youngblood @Youngblood #60304 mentioned what could be a great theme, Shoulders of GIANTS. Dedicate that theme to some of the greats of the sport who have gone on. For those of you wanting to know more about China Camp: https://www.sassnet.com/HallofFame/ChinaCamp-HOF2004.php There are also some more profiles on some of the SASS HoF members: https://sassnet.com/Museum-Inductees-001A.php
  5. And, here is what was recently sent to the TgGs VOTING ITEM INFORMATIONProposed rule change:Eliminate the automatic Stage DQ penalty for leaving the loading table with a cocked rifle.In such instances, the shooter will be directed to point the rifle safely into the back berm, bring the hammer to full cock if it is in the half-cock/safety position, then pull the trigger.If no round is fired, the shooter will be directed to finish staging firearms in order to start the stage (No Call).If a round fires when the shooter pulls the trigger, the shooter will be assessed a Stage DQ and directed to proceed to the unloading table Current rules/penalties:Movement is not allowed with a loaded round under the hammer of any firearm. Movement is defined by the basketball “traveling” rule. Whenever a shooter has a loaded round under the hammer of a firearm in hand, at least one foot must remain in place on the ground. The first violation will result in a Stage Disqualification penalty. The second violation will result in a Match Disqualification penalty assessment. It is also not allowed to leave the loading table with a cocked, loaded firearm.SHB p.12 – Participant Conduct - Safety- Rifles may be staged with the magazine loaded, action closed, hammer fully down on the empty chamber (NOT the safety notch), with the muzzle pointing in a safe direction (adheres to the 170° rule).SHB p.15 – Safety and Handling Conventions - Rifles- Changing location/moving with a live round under a cocked hammer or firearm with the hammer down on a live round.- Changing location with a long gun with the action closed and the hammer cocked.SHB p.23 – Stage Disqualification Penalty (SDQ) Definitions:Cocked – hammer not fully down (full, half-cock or safety notch).SHB P.43 – Glossary of TermsHammer down – hammer fully down at its final resting position.Loaded Firearm – Any firearm with unfired round(s) in the action/chamber/magazine.SHB p.44 – Glossary of Terms
  6. Most clubs that I should around with have carts available at the range for new people or those that are traveling without their cart, usually by motorcycle!
  7. So why only change the rule in this one instance? Why not remove the inconsistency and change the rule to allow the same movement at any time with any long gun then? why propose to change only the rifle, only from the LT to the line?
  8. If it is not a safety issue, then why should we not allow it at any time with any long gun then? Why not allow the shotgun to be brought up to the line empty, closed and cocked? Why not allow the rifle to be brought from the line to the ULT empty, closed, and cocked?
  9. http://www.oowss.com/SASS Rules Docs/Reload choices (edit Aug 2018).pdf
  10. Here is another way to look at it using the flow chart SHB pg 41 DID THE SHOOTER HIT ALL THE CORRECT TYPE OF TARGETS WITH LEGALLY ACQUIRED AMMO? NO ASSESS MISSES Score shooter with 4 misses for the 4 unfired rounds in pistol 1 WERE THE TARGETS HIT IN THE CORRECT ORDER EXCEPT FOR ANY MISSES? YES - Target 1 was hit, Rounds 2-5 were scored as misses, round 6 hit the third target and that is where it was supposed to go.
  11. http://www.oowss.com/SASS Rules Docs/Reload choices (edit Aug 2018).pdf In this case, the shooter elected to take the misses for unfired rounds on shots 2,3,4, and 5 in the pistol string that were locked in the gun and continue the string with shot 6.
  12. Minor Safety SHB 17-18 SHB pg 22 SHB pg 28 SHB pg 42 OPEN SHB pg 43
  13. Even if the target order was specified, '2 rounds on the first, 3 rounds on the second and 5 rounds on the third', in that order, it is still just 4 misses.
  14. @PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Here is another question... If this passes, what is the penalty for a shooter starting the stage with the rifle on full or half cock because the TO didn't catch that it was cocked and have the shooter go through the little prescribe dance before the beep?
  15. If the proposed rule change were to deal only with a rifle on half-cock, I believe a lot of people would have less heartburn with this. After all, it would bring it more in line with the rules for Wild Bunch. However, this proposed rule change makes no distinction between full cock and half cock. Should we consider it safe for a shooter to travel with a fully cock rifle? If so, why not the shotgun? Why not during the course of fire? Why not on the travel to the unloading table?
  16. Here is a real world application of the rules, as they are currently written, and will still hold true even if the proposed change passes: Shooter is to shoot rifle at position A and restage rifle on vertical rack at position B, about 5 yards down range. Shooter 1 goes up and shoots the rifle, moves to position B, and, during the course of restaging the rifle at position B, the lever closes. The hammer is still cocked. At the end of the course of fire, the TO has the shooter come over and open the lever, nothing comes out, everything is fine as the rifle was staged in a safe manner and the shooter did not change locations with a closed, cocked long gun. OK so far, Shooter 1 grabs their rifle and, not paying attention, bumps the lever of their rifle into their shotgun held in their other hand, closing the action of the rifle. As soon as that shooter takes their second step towards the ULT, they have earned a SDQ for changing locations with the cocked rifle, empty, and action closed. Shooter 2 goes up and shoots the rifle, shoots the gun dry, ejects the last round, closes the lever, pulls the trigger to drop the hammer, then moves to position B to restage the rifle. At the end of the course of fire, the TO has the shooter come over and open the lever, nothing comes out, everything is fine as the rifle was staged in a safe manner and the shooter did not change locations with a closed, cocked long gun. It was hammer down on an empty chamber and safe for movement. Shooter 3 goes up and shoots the rifle, shoots the gun dry, ejects the last round, closes the lever, then moves to position B to restage the rifle. As soon as that shooter takes their second step, they have earned a SDQ for changing locations with the cocked rifle, empty, and action closed. Shooter 4 grabs their 97 shotgun by the forearm at the loading table and the weight of the gun closes the action of the gun as they head to the staging position. As soon as that shooter takes their second step, they have earned a SDQ for changing locations with the cocked shotgun, empty, and action closed.
  17. SHB pg 44 If you do not bring the firearm into a shooting position, you are not dry firing regardless of whatever else the shooter does.
  18. As far as there being differences between rifle and shotgun currently for movement, they are currently exactly the same, just ordered differently. SHB pg 16 SHB pg 16
  19. And moving along the stage during the course of fire with either long gun CLOSED, EMPTY, and COCKED will still be a Stage Disqualification.
  20. Negative. A shotgun can be moved from point A to point B with the action closed, empty chamber, hammers down on the empty chamber or spent rounds. It CAN NOT move closed with the hammer(s) cocked. A shotgun with the action closed, empty chamber, and hammer cocked DOES CURRENTLY get you a SDQ. If you move from point A to point B with a 97 or 87 with the action closed, hammer cocked, empty, you earn a SDQ. If you move from point A to point B with a double, action closed with one or more of the hammers cocked, empty, you earn a SDQ. And remember, a hammerless double cocks those hammers when you open the action! SHB PG 23 - emphasis added You prove my point in that folks will not pick up on the nuances of this rule change. So, again, I ask, why does this proposal treat rifle and shotgun differently.
  21. So, why should a loaded rifle be treated differently than a unloaded shotgun?
  22. The proposed rule change is to allow it at half cock or full, without distinction. If it is safe to go from LT to the firing line with a loaded, closed, cocked rifle, why is it unsafe to do the same with an unloaded SG? If it is safe to go from LT to the firing line with a closed, cocked rifle, why is it unsafe to do the same during the course of fire? Why is it unsafe to do the same from the firing line to the ULT? The biggest problem I see with the proposed change is the inconsistency that it leaves in the handling of the same situation. And, one of the only arguments I keep hearing for it center around the fact that many clubs do not find it necessary to have Loading Table Officers anymore. An attentive LTO should have cought the issue prior to sending the shooter to the XO spot, preventing the SDQ the shooter earned all by himself if he took 2 or more steps to get from the LT to you.
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