John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Hey MD’s Do you see any problem with allowing a shooter to load 10 rounds in a 12 shot 22 Cattleman and letting them shoot the whole 10 shot pistol string with one revolver? I don’t see why not, since most are not scoring the 22 shooters with the main match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 i guess as long as those that have to shoot 2 six shot dont object - it is a bit of an advantage not to have to reholster and redraw the second , but then ive not shot any of these yet , particularly if the scoring is not the primary issue , ill be interested in others thoughts as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Well I don't particularly care for the idea. I realize that due to the ammo shortage some clubs are allowing the rules to be tabled/adjusted to let non-eligible folks shoot 22 RF guns/ammo. IMO, that is going far enough to accommodate the ammo shortage without further allowing illegal equipment (the 12 round revolver) and allowing 10 shots our of one pistol without reloading that pistol. Are Colt Woodsman and Ruger 10-22 going to be allowed next? Bending rules to accommodate on a rare occasion is one thing. Throwing the rules out the window is another. So... IMO, NO, it is not acceptable. Snakebite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 If they are not being scored for the match, I don't see an advantage. It sounds like they are just there for fun and to see friends. Let them shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Hawthorne Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 What about if the person who has one shoots five, holsters the gun, then redraws it and continues firing the remaining five? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Not being scored should not be the criteria to allow anything. That is an endless road. There are unlimited guns and styles that would fit into that "category". I believe It is to the Games advantage to keep it on track, if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontier Lone Rider Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 I say, let them shoot. Especially if they holster at five, then redraw and shoot the last five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Wheeler Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 What if they have a brain fart and don't holster until the sixth shot? Would there be a penalty or still okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 19 minutes ago, Dutch Wheeler said: What if they have a brain fart and don't holster until the sixth shot? Would there be a penalty or still okay? Ha... what difference would a penalty make if they are just pulling the trigger? Sorry to be the lone decenter... it has long been my opinion that this game started going south as more and more acceptations and accommodations were at first allowed, and then became part of the rules. the Gun mods escalation began as accommodations. The wearing of modern Rodeo style of dress began as accommodations, yata, yata. Wearing shorts, T-Shirts and Tennis shoes during hot weather is just another accommodation. I know that my opinion is considered a "Hard Case" by many, but I've seen others that agreed with keeping the game pure, dismissed because their attitude was not "Progressive" enough. O-well... what the hell. It's only a game. Snakebite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 56 minutes ago, Frontier Lone Rider said: I say, let them shoot. Especially if they holster at five, then redraw and shoot the last five. Bad idea. Just as GF can’t reholster, the chances of holstering a cocked pistol over a live round is too high. if I was MD I would not allow a 10 shot pistol. I’d be happy to loan a shooter another pistol if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontier Lone Rider Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hoss said: Bad idea. Just as GF can’t reholster, the chances of holstering a cocked pistol over a live round is too high. if I was MD I would not allow a 10 shot pistol. I’d be happy to loan a shooter another pistol if needed. You are of course, correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirrupTrouble Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 At my club, we are allowing .22s at monthlies, but scoring separately, to keep people shooting that are short on ammo so we don't lost them forever. However, as MD, I would not allow the above scenario. I'm with @Snakebite. Slippery slope, and puts those with two revolvers at disadvantage. I would let them use it, but only if only five were loaded and they had a second pistol. And IMHO, simply holstering and repulling doesn't do it for me, as most would not remove their hand from the pistol or just briefly would, not making up for someone else holstering and pulling a second pistol from another holster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 What Snakebite said - 100% Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 40 minutes ago, Snakebite said: Ha... what difference would a penalty make if they are just pulling the trigger? Sorry to be the lone decenter... it has long been my opinion that this game started going south as more and more acceptations and accommodations were at first allowed, and then became part of the rules. the Gun mods escalation began as accommodations. The wearing of modern Rodeo style of dress began as accommodations, yata, yata. Wearing shorts, T-Shirts and Tennis shoes during hot weather is just another accommodation. I know that my opinion is considered a "Hard Case" by many, but I've seen others that agreed with keeping the game pure, dismissed because their attitude was not "Progressive" enough. O-well... what the hell. It's only a game. Snakebite Just now, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: What Snakebite said - 100% Phantom AMEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 15 minutes ago, Frontier Lone Rider said: You are of course, correct. I don’t know about the “of course” part! (Although I always tell my wife I’m always correct ) changing a rule. Policy or procedure takes some “downstream” thinking. I see it all the time at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 PLUS ONE to Snakebite & Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 I could see allowing 5 shots loaded in each of two large-capacity single actions. If shooter gets them indexed right. Shooter takes a risk of hitting empty chambers with the firing pin if they mis-index, though! Then folks would all do the same draw and reholster mechanics. good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 I'm with Snakebite on this. Worst case, shoot one pistol with five rounds only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 My MD gave me permission to shoot 22 with a pair of Single Six and a Henry Frontier. For me, this is the difference between attending a match and staying home. I'm not comfortable spending down my stock of center fire when I cannot replenish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Spade Mikey Wilson Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 I have no problem with 22's, but the type of firearm should not be altered. Two single action 6 shot pistols loaded with 5 round each, and a .22 lever or pump external hammer rifle. No one mentioned it above, but is this 10 shot .22 pistol possibly a double action also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, High Spade Mikey Wilson said: I have no problem with 22's, but the type of firearm should not be altered. Two single action 6 shot pistols loaded with 5 round each, and a .22 lever or pump external hammer rifle. No one mentioned it above, but is this 10 shot .22 pistol possibly a double action also? +100000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, High Spade Mikey Wilson said: I have no problem with 22's, but the type of firearm should not be altered. Two single action 6 shot pistols loaded with 5 round each, and a .22 lever or pump external hammer rifle. No one mentioned it above, but is this 10 shot .22 pistol possibly a double action also? The OP asked about using a 12-shot Cattleman. LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 These are some unique and trying times we are going through. I'm on the fence here. Where as I agree with pards like Snakebite who say don't begin allowing just any gun because of hard times, At the same time I think that the 12 shot single action really does fit in well enough to be allowed. But in fact that they are not scored with the main categories and should not blend into the scores as this will add rank points to folks who still score that way. I also don't think it would be fair to allow someone to pull one revolver and run off 10 shots. The suggestion to fire 5, holster, then redraw and fire the remaining five seems logical. If someone wants to play with their 22's they should be allowed to, up to that time when things get back more to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 41 minutes ago, Goody, SASS #26190 said: The suggestion to fire 5, holster, then redraw and fire the remaining five seems logical. If someone wants to play with their 22's they should be allowed to, up to that time when things get back more to normal. OK... I'll yield to that idea on this condition. The shooter must draw pistol from either left or right side holster, shoot 5 then re-holster in the SAME holster. THEN he/she must draw gun out of the opposite side holster and shoot the next 5 rounds. If they can do that, I'll live with it. Snakebite ps, I'm not going to jump up and down regardless of how clubs decide to run THEIR match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 15 minutes ago, Snakebite said: OK... I'll yield to that idea on this condition. The shooter must draw pistol from either left or right side holster, shoot 5 then re-holster in the SAME holster. THEN he/she must draw gun out of the opposite side holster and shoot the next 5 rounds. If they can do that, I'll live with it. Snakebite ps, I'm not going to jump up and down regardless of how clubs decide to run THEIR match. How about if he/she spins the belt around their waist to position holster on the other side? Or just slides the holster on the belt to other side of belly button? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Goody, SASS #26190 said: How about if he/she spins the belt around their waist to position holster on the other side? Or just slides the holster on the belt to other side of belly button? That'll work...or he could turn around facing uprange, then pull from his cross draw holster, which is now on the other side, and shoot backwards under his arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 That would be a NO for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Spade Mikey Wilson Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 On 6/4/2021 at 3:53 PM, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: The OP asked about using a 12-shot Cattleman. LINK Thanks PW. I never saw one of those before.....interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBFields Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Actually have 2 12 shot USFA SAA'S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, MBFields said: Actually have 2 12 shot USFA SAA'S. I’ve only ever seen one. It was beautifully engraved too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBFields Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 One is all dome blue, 7.5". The other is dome blue with a nickel cylinder, 5.5". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 51 minutes ago, MBFields said: One is all dome blue, 7.5". The other is dome blue with a nickel cylinder, 5.5". "Dome" blue...okay...that's a term that's new to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 47 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: "Dome" blue...okay...that's a term that's new to me... that's what they called their deep luster blue like Colt used to put on Pythons and such. As they were operating out of the old Colt factory they used that term. Colt's own slogan was something about "Under the Dome" in Hartford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Goody, SASS #26190 said: that's what they called their deep luster blue like Colt used to put on Pythons and such. As they were operating out of the old Colt factory they used that term. Colt's own slogan was something about "Under the Dome" in Hartford. You know...and to think I'm a collector/broker...I guess because of what I do that I use more common terminology...such as High Polish, High Luster... Thanks Goody! Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I'd say let him use it as ONE pistol loaded with 5. Still need a second pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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