Whaaat?

[Beartrap SASS#57175]

I just read an ad that made my head spin!

Am I reading something wrong?

$699 for a 5 lb jug of Trail Boss!

It looks to me like it's $140/lb for a powder that takes about 5 times as much of to push a freedom seed as Titegroup at $36/lb.

If my perception is correct does using it guarantee immortality or something?

I realize some people use it for fear of overcharging, but $140/lb??????

[Sedalia Dave]

14 minutes ago, Beartrap SASS#57175 said:

I just read an ad that made my head spin!

Am I reading something wrong?

$699 for a 5 lb jug of Trail Boss!

It looks to me like it's $140/lb for a powder that takes about 5 times as much of to push a freedom seed as Titegroup at $36/lb.

If my perception is correct does using it guarantee immortality or something?

I realize some people use it for fear of overcharging, but $140/lb??????

 

Those that are in love with subsonic rifle loads will pay that much or more as it has been out of production for several years.

[Todd Hayseed]

7 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

Those that are in love with subsonic rifle loads will pay that much or more as it has been out of production for several years.

I have an almost full 5 Lb that I maybe used an ounce out of.  Once I started making my own powder I never touched it again.  Unfortunately that fact I opened it would make it difficult to sell.

Edited August 30 by Todd Hayseed

[Beartrap SASS#57175]

8 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

Those that are in love with subsonic rifle loads will pay that much or more as it has been out of production for several years.

Titegroup (as well as others currently readily available) can also be used for subsonic loads! Trail Boss is not unique in that respect.

[Three Foot Johnson]

This was less than a year and a half ago - two 9 oz bottles sold for $855, plus $30 shipping, plus hazmat. It was discontinued June 1st, 2018, and allegedly the silencer/sub-sonic shooters drove the price through the roof.

$760 per pound... considerably more than silver... 

 

Edited August 30 by Three Foot Johnson

[Rye Miles #13621]

The only reason to use TB is so you can fill the case up like BP. It’s certainly not worth that kind of money! If you don’t trust yourself take the extra time and spoon feed your rounds with any smokeless powder and you’ll have enough money left over to buy a gun!😂

[Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329]

Last year at Guns of August, some shooters from New England blew up two Colts.

Evidently, the guy who did the loading was used to TB, but ran out & loaded something else.
He evidently severely overloaded some of his cartridges, and blew up two pistols, a Colt & a clone.
Ask him if $699 for a 5-pound jug is excessive.
I shoot with John Barleycorn, and he is just selling the TB at "market" prices.

He's a straight-up guy!

--Dawg   

Edited August 30 by Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

51 minutes ago, Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 said:

Last year at Guns of August, some shooters from New England blew up two Colts.

Evidently, the guy who did the loading was used to TB, but ran out & loaded something else.
He evidently severely some of his cartridges, and blew up two pistols, a Colt & a clone.
Ask him if $699 for a 5-pound jug is excessive.
I shoot with John Barleycorn, and he is just selling the TB at "market" prices.

He's a straight-up guy!

--Dawg   

 

Hi.   That was me.

 

I freely admit to the fact that I made a rather foolish mistake with Win 231.    So much so that I am rather skittish to keep using the stuff.   I must have double charged two cases.   I've still got alot of rounds to break down and start over on.   

When all is said and done, it's impossible to make that kind of a mistake with Trailboss, and that's one of the reasons I like it.   I also like how even a max load of the stuff is a rather mild load.   It's useful for everything from .32 S&W to .45-70.   (With a few exceptions.)   

Another good powder is Red Dot, but I haven't been able to find that for years either.   

As far as the $700 a jug price, I do think that is overpriced, and I passed on it.   When I told the guy he was charging too much and offered less, he said he'd be selling it at a loss.    I'm all for capitalism, but sometimes things get out of whack.

If there is any truth to the statement on ADI's website about it being back at the end of this year, people who paid so much for it just to resell it for a profit are gonna be stuck.

 

[Idaho Gunslinger]

46 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

 

Hi.   That was me.

 

I freely admit to the fact that I made a rather foolish mistake with Win 231.    So much so that I am rather skittish to keep using the stuff.   I must have double charged two cases.   I've still got alot of rounds to break down and start over on.   

When all is said and done, it's impossible to make that kind of a mistake with Trailboss, and that's one of the reasons I like it.   I also like how even a max load of the stuff is a rather mild load.   It's useful for everything from .32 S&W to .45-70.   (With a few exceptions.)   

Another good powder is Red Dot, but I haven't been able to find that for years either.   

As far as the $700 a jug price, I do think that is overpriced, and I passed on it.   When I told the guy he was charging too much and offered less, he said he'd be selling it at a loss.    I'm all for capitalism, but sometimes things get out of whack.

If there is any truth to the statement on ADI's website about it being back at the end of this year, people who paid so much for it just to resell it for a profit are gonna be stuck.

https://miwallcorp.com/alliant-red-dot-target-shotshell-smokeless-powder-8lb-adult-signature-required-see-details-in-description/

I just bought an 8lb jug of Red Dot from MiWall last week. You can add in some primers or other powder to spread out the Hazmat and shipping charges too. 

 

What was your W-231 charge? I would think most guns would hold up to a double charge from a light cowboy load? There are videos out there of people loading double charges in semi-auto pistols for testing and the guns survive just fine. A lot of the modern speculation is that is take a triple charges or more to really blow up modern guns. Unless you are running some really hot loads to begin with. Double charging a max load 44 mag will likely take out a gun short of maybe a Super Redhawk. 

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

5.9 grains with a 200 grain bullet.   Assuming a double charge, that would be 11.8, which is well over the 8 grain max load.  

[Chief Rick]

If you don't think it's worth it, don't buy it. 

 

I also feel it's bad form (not really the phrase I'd like to use) to try and call someone out on their for sale post because you think it's overpriced. 

 

Send a PM or carry on without replying.

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

10 minutes ago, Idaho Gunslinger said:

https://miwallcorp.com/alliant-red-dot-target-shotshell-smokeless-powder-8lb-adult-signature-required-see-details-in-description/

I just bought an 8lb jug of Red Dot from MiWall last week. You can add in some primers or other powder to spread out the Hazmat and shipping charges too. 

 

That's pretty good price.

But sadly, I live in Massachusetts.   Not allowed to mail order stuff like this.   

[Idaho Gunslinger]

30 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

5.9 grains with a 200 grain bullet.   Assuming a double charge, that would be 11.8, which is well over the 8 grain max load.  

This is way off topic for a cowboy action forum, but would those Colts be considered Tier 1 or Tier 2? Can they handle factory 45 acp loads? Reading around online 10-12gr of W231 in a 45 colt with a 200gr bullet is around 45 acp pressures. The Ruger only loads were running 20+grs behind 250gr bullets. 

"Brian Peace in his reloading articles (HandLoader magazine) on the .45 Colt came up with the three tiers of loading for the .45 Colt. Tier 1 is standard SAAMI pressure loads 14K psi. Tier 2 is up to 23K psi, and Tier 3 is Ruger Only Loads 30K psi. Why Tier 2? Well the medium frame New Vaquero and the medium frame BH flattop came along which couldn't handle Tier 3 loads, but it still could handle .45 ACP which has a high end of 23K PSI. So that allows the flattops and New Vaqueros more leaway on loading the .45 Colt ie. up to Tier 2 pressures. Hope that clarifies where the 'Tiers' came from!"

25 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

 

That's pretty good price.

But sadly, I live in Massachusetts.   Not allowed to mail order stuff like this.   

Massachusetts is a small state. Got any friends in a nearby friendly state? 

[Hells Comin]

2 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

The only reason to use TB is so you can fill the case up like BP. It’s certainly not worth that kind of money! If you don’t trust yourself take the extra time and spoon feed your rounds with any smokeless powder and you’ll have enough money left over to buy a gun!😂

U mean buy a Corvette. 

[High Spade Mikey Wilson]

I bought two 5 lb jugs of TB about 10 years ago at $108 per. I still have about 4 lb left. I use it in all my CB loads of 32WCF, 38 spcl, 45 Scofield, 45 Colt, as well as in my 45-70. I really like it, but I would never pay that price for it. Since TB has been vertually non existant for a few years now I have already done my workup for loads with different powders for the above calibers. When I run out of TB I'll switch.

[Totes Magoats]

I read a penny Baseball card sold for $7.2 Million dollars recently.  Things are worth what people will pay.  Some would shake their head when folks were paying $150 for 1K primers, but I bought some.

 

I've got a stash of Trail Boss, didn't pay near those prices for, but also wouldn't sell it for double what I actually paid.   

 

Totes

[Idaho Gunslinger]

[Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life]

At the past EOT swap meet, I sold two of the 9 oz. Jars for $40 each. Didn’t want to rip any one off and made $8 bucks per jar. Just as I started to pack up saw a guy carrying them (recognized the writing on them) and asked did he just buy them. He said yes at $80 each and was glad to get them. Just saying…….

Regards

    

Gateway Kid

[Chief Rick]

6 minutes ago, Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life said:

At the past EOT swap meet, I sold two of the 9 oz. Jars for $40 each. Didn’t want to rip any one off and made $8 bucks per jar. Just as I started to pack up saw a guy carrying them (recognized the writing on them) and asked did he just buy them. He said yes at $80 each and was glad to get them. Just saying…….

Regards

    

Gateway Kid

Based on what I'm seeing in-stock powders going for in my local area, I'd feel comfortable saying $80-$100 per small bottle is fair market value.

 

Available powders in my local area have shelf prices between $45-$80, depending on the powder.

 

Just wait two months....

[Hells Comin]

I have about 37 lbs. Of TB and I'm waiting for it to reach $1,000 per pound before selling it. 5% off if someone buys the entire lot.

[Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life]

Trade you one of my nieces Taylor Swift tickets! 
of course I made the mistake of teaching her long range shooting so may be a little difficult to pry them from her! LOL

Regards

    

Gateway Kid
 

[Assassin]

I feel like I've been shorted. 28 plus years of using Clay's, and Titegroup and haven't blown up any guns. I use to shoot 30k rounds a year. Regardless of powder, one must pay attention when reloading and use good equipment. What kind of presses are throwing double charges?

Edited August 31 by Assassin

[Hells Comin]

3 hours ago, Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life said:

Trade you one of my nieces Taylor Swift tickets! 
of course I made the mistake of teaching her long range shooting so may be a little difficult to pry them from her! LOL

Regards

    

Gateway Kid
 

Throw in Taylor Swift and you can have it all.

[Dilli GaHoot Galoot]

18 hours ago, Todd Hayseed said:

I have an almost full 5 Lb that I maybe used an ounce out of.  Once I started making my own powder I never touched it again.  Unfortunately that fact I opened it would make it difficult to sell.

I bet it wouldn't   

[Sedalia Dave]

3 hours ago, Hells Comin said:

Throw in Taylor Swift and you can have it all.

 You’re aware that she’s the pinnacle of High Maintenance. 

[Von Dutch, SASS # 7995]

On 8/30/2024 at 4:18 AM, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

 

Hi.   That was me.

 

I freely admit to the fact that I made a rather foolish mistake with Win 231.    So much so that I am rather skittish to keep using the stuff.   I must have double charged two cases.   I've still got alot of rounds to break down and start over on.   

When all is said and done, it's impossible to make that kind of a mistake with Trailboss, and that's one of the reasons I like it.   I also like how even a max load of the stuff is a rather mild load.   It's useful for everything from .32 S&W to .45-70.   (With a few exceptions.)   

Another good powder is Red Dot, but I haven't been able to find that for years either.   

As far as the $700 a jug price, I do think that is overpriced, and I passed on it.   When I told the guy he was charging too much and offered less, he said he'd be selling it at a loss.    I'm all for capitalism, but sometimes things get out of whack.

If there is any truth to the statement on ADI's website about it being back at the end of this year, people who paid so much for it just to resell it for a profit are gonna be stuck.

 

If you can't load 231 you need to stay away from Red Dot!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933]

2 hours ago, Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 said:

If you can't load 231 you need to stay away from Red Dot!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Or reloading.

[Cholla]

On 8/30/2024 at 6:40 AM, Totes Magoats said:

I read a penny Baseball card sold for $7.2 Million dollars recently.  Things are worth what people will pay.  Some would shake their head when folks were paying $150 for 1K primers, but I bought some.

 

I've got a stash of Trail Boss, didn't pay near those prices for, but also wouldn't sell it for double what I actually paid.   

 

Totes

By some folks’ thinking, the seller should have sold the baseball card for 50 cents because it originally sold for 10 cents. Those same folks should put their homes on the market for a marginal profit over what they paid 30 years ago. 

[Smokin Gator SASS #29736]

Coincidentally a shooter asked me about Trailboss for reduced 30 30 loads. I told him first off about the current lack of ability to find it now. I also mentioned it's apparent popularity with the 300 Blackout shooters and what some of them were paying for it.

I had tried it a little when it was pretty new and didn't  really like it. This wasn't rifle caliber loads though. I said I'd look around because I knew I had at least a partial bottle. Checked and found it plus one full bottle. Told him I'd bring it to the next match. He can just have it. I just use Unique for my 44 or 45 caliber revolvers. The partial csn had a $13.95 sticker on it.

[Don Coyote, SASS #63736]

I tried some TB back when we 1st started CAS and reloading. Didn't like the way it metered in the 650 so its been setting in my powder locker for well over 15 years. Just weighed the powder and has 7 oz. on the bottle. Price on the top is $14.99.  Must be Bidenomics inflation, huh?

[Von Dutch, SASS # 7995]

19 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:

Or reloading.

Well, you are correct about that after 30 years of running the timer next to these people that can't and should not be loading, they should learn to read and pick up a loading book!!!!!!!

Edited September 1 by Von Dutch, SASS # 7995

[Dapper Dave]

This encourages me to buy a replacement ball mill and start making my own black again.

[watab kid]

they are trying to price us out of reloading i think , 

[Eyesa Horg]

On 8/30/2024 at 8:09 AM, Idaho Gunslinger said:

https://miwallcorp.com/alliant-red-dot-target-shotshell-smokeless-powder-8lb-adult-signature-required-see-details-in-description/

I just bought an 8lb jug of Red Dot from MiWall last week. You can add in some primers or other powder to spread out the Hazmat and shipping charges too. 

 

 

Thanks for heads up, ordered a jug. Recently started using it for Ellie's light SG loads and it's super clean, at only 11gr there is no debris in the barrel. Been using Clays or Clay Dot for years. This looks like it will be a good replacement. Will try for rifle/pistol as well.

[Abilene, SASS # 27489]

I just looked and there ONE 8-lb jug of Red Dot left, somebody better get it, or don't complain later!