Irish Pat Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 we had a shooter that carried both Colts butt forward and drew like Bill Hickcock. he made sure barrels were not pointed at anyone. Only shooter I ever saw doing that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Curly SASS#57086 Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I did it when I started shooting C&B but not for long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I know 2, although one isn't shooting these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Irish Pat said: we had a shooter that carried both Colts butt forward and drew like Bill Hickcock. he made sure barrels were not pointed at anyone. Only shooter I ever saw doing that. We had a shooter that did that as well. He was very careful and also very slow !😂 Edited July 12 by Rye Miles #13621 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Jim SASS # 21775 Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 That is just goofy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I've only seen one person do that. I told him, with a straight face, that he forgot to turn his belt around when he got suited up...he was not amused. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 This? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stump Water Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 @Wild Bill Blackerby SASS # 34989 is the only one I know. Probably one of the ones the Horg is referring to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 26 minutes ago, Stump Water said: @Wild Bill Blackerby SASS # 34989 is the only one I know. Probably one of the ones the Horg is referring to. Yup Only one I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erasmus Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) Yeah, like that video, sort of. But if you look at the photo of Bill Hickok looking like an honest to goodness frontiersman (I really need to get my outfit better together) you'll see his pistols are pretty far back behind his hips, which makes the cavalry twist much easier. I shoot frontiersman with a 7.5 inch '51 and an 8 inch '61; cross draw on my left side and straight draw on my right. If I situate it right I can cavalry twist draw the left pistol with my left hand. It works fine, I don't break the 170 rule, but I'd be worried someone would think I am (and it is VERY easy to sweep yourself). I can see why Hickok might have carried that way, it's pretty convenient for sitting on things other than chairs (stools, probably horses) and it makes both guns available to both hands. Edited July 13 by Erasmus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 never thought to do that as it seems unnatural to my mind , if it works for someone i cant argue as im also slow and deliberate these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) That video (#2 of two) was made to demonstrate that shooters utilizing Gunfighter style could do so SAFELY without sweeping themselves or breaking the 180. Until the rule was changed (2016), simultaneous "Cavalry/twist draw" was not allowed due to safety misconceptions. They were done sloowwly on purpose...in actual practice it is MUCH faster. This is the first VIDEO made to demo the other method. Full playlist (5 videos) Edited July 13 by PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L add links 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 I used to do this more often, not too often these days, but when I want to use 7 1/2" barrels and traditional-style leather, I wear them butt-forward. Then when it's time to shoot, I move the gun on the left side forward on the hip and use it as a cross-draw, then the gun on the right is drawn with the cavalry twist but is hostered in a two-handed move that is easy for me than the cavalry twist. No video, just pics: https://davidscottharper.com/shoot/CavTwist.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 I do. Beaucoup style points. Would be even more if I had ivory grips like PWB! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 i would have expected double cross draw personally but then i never wore a cavalry holster either [yes that would be cross draw as the saber was the left side .....ok , i dont get the allure , 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go West Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 I didn't know Hickock was an artist. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Mars Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Lefty Eastman does it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 15 hours ago, Stump Water said: @Wild Bill Blackerby SASS # 34989 is the only one I know. Probably one of the ones the Horg is referring to. You nailed it!! The other was Littleton Sidecar Dalton who ran the Dalton Gang in NH! Miss that club! Edited July 13 by Eyesa Horg Added text Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinch Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 His drawings were actually crude sketches… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) We have a shooter, Jasper Agate, who shoots Frontiersman and FCD. Much easier as a dualist. He sometimes shoots Colt Dragoons with full charges. BOOM! Edited July 13 by irish ike, SASS #43615 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 21 hours ago, Erasmus said: Yeah, like that video, sort of. But if you look at the photo of Bill Hickok looking like an honest to goodness frontiersman (I really need to get my outfit better together) you'll see his pistols are pretty far back behind his hips, which makes the cavalry twist much easier. I shoot frontiersman with a 7.5 inch '51 and an 8 inch '61; cross draw on my left side and straight draw on my right. If I situate it right I can cavalry twist draw the left pistol with my left hand. It works fine, I don't break the 170 rule, but I'd be worried someone would think I am (and it is VERY easy to sweep yourself). I can see why Hickok might have carried that way, it's pretty convenient for sitting on things other than chairs (stools, probably horses) and it makes both guns available to both hands. Wild Bill didn’t have to worry about breaking the 170 or sweeping himself or anyone else for that matter.🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tell Sackett SASS 18436 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 15 hours ago, Go West said: I didn't know Hickock was an artist. He wasn’t!! Have you SEEN one of his drawings? Pitiful, just pitiful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I remember some years ago there was an outcry by members that were upset that other shooting sports didn't take "us" seriously...gee...wonder why... 😐 Phantom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Drawn by Bill Hickok. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 On 7/12/2024 at 11:06 PM, watab kid said: i would have expected double cross draw personally but then i never wore a cavalry holster either [yes that would be cross draw as the saber was the left side .....ok , i dont get the allure , The cavalry draw, properly done, with practice, can be done without sweeping yourself. Unitil I started CAS, I wore my hunting single-action on my right side, butt forward, as I could get at it with either hand...useful in case you were lying down partially on your right side with Ol' Eph after you! The reason I have not used it in SASS matches is I could not quite convince the RO's that it was safe to draw that way, in spite of demonstrating it repeatedly! The reason the Army persisted in using the right-side twist draw was for the same reason, even after they stopped using the saber except for ceremonial purposes, was accessibility with either hand. It wasn't until the semi-auto pistols were adopted that the holsters were made butt-rear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Willi Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I also did that and think it makes a lot more sense than turning. However it make the other people nervous and they didn’t like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 4 hours ago, Trailrider #896 said: The cavalry draw, properly done, with practice, can be done without sweeping yourself. Unitil I started CAS, I wore my hunting single-action on my right side, butt forward, as I could get at it with either hand...useful in case you were lying down partially on your right side with Ol' Eph after you! The reason I have not used it in SASS matches is I could not quite convince the RO's that it was safe to draw that way, in spite of demonstrating it repeatedly! The reason the Army persisted in using the right-side twist draw was for the same reason, even after they stopped using the saber except for ceremonial purposes, was accessibility with either hand. It wasn't until the semi-auto pistols were adopted that the holsters were made butt-rear. i was aware of the change - i have a lot of vintage holsters going back to 1890s but i wasnt as up on the reasons as that , very interesting , thanks , i guess practice might be needed if i ever considered that style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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