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This morning I received a text. The sender was sending an RSVP to someone and apparently typed in the phone number incorrectly. 
I politely responded, got a short response, then thought about a witty response to perhaps jar their manners awake. I thought about it for a little while and decided since the person obviously doesn’t know how to actually respond to an RSVP and decided to go passive-aggressive. 
 

It’s been over 2 hours with no response. I don’t figure I’ll get one. The area code of the sender is da Bronx in New Yaw’k. <_<IMG_8166.thumb.jpeg.5bfa5a7f3f3e234c1372af93a60d3dc8.jpeg

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Pat:

 

You are too patient and polite.

I've been getting cell calls for over a year that are obviously wrong numbers.  Political fund raising requests, realtors, property flippers, car dealers - mostly out of Texas.  At first, I politely informed the callers of their error; never once did the caller apologize; most of the time, they simply hung up without comment.  After I noticed the Texas pattern, I decided that I would ty to determine if my number was improperly listed in a phone directory or on a web site.  No one would tell me where they got my number; most became hostile or profane.  So now I simply report them as junk and delete.  Not worth the nonsense.

 

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4 minutes ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said:

... most became hostile or profane.  So now I simply report them as junk and delete.  Not worth the nonsense.

 

LL

 

I didn't get hostile. I just got profane. :blink:

 

 

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I grew up with the Sir & Ma'am group - always started with Sir or Ma'am, professionally & if I knew the other party, Mr./Mrs. (had a little trouble with the Ms. or Miss - but no one ever seemed to be offended) always ended my letters with respectfully or regards (emails now) -- got a few return emails questioning WTB intent when using this seemingly old style of writing.  Common courtesy seems to have faded into the past... In person, same thing Sir or Ma'am --- silver generation appreciates it, younger crowd just plain don't know how to respond.  All of my pt's even those whom are half my age still get the same courtesy.

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I've even gone to the trouble of researching the correct info for people With same result, not even a thank you. People suck now!!

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A couple of three years ago I received a text from let's call her Angela, asking  let's call her Becky, if she could open some little eatery in Healdsburg (not far up 101 from Santa Rosa) the next day because someone was was unable to come in. I did a lookup of the number and it was indeed an eatery.  I sent a text back that she had the wrong number, I wasn't Becky.  Got an apology back.  I sent back that I didn't want Becky to get in trouble for not responding.

A few weeks later I got another text from someone that worked there asking me to cover.  I sent back a text "I'm not Becky" along with a photo.  So we had a nice exchange, she being apologetic, myself having fun with it.  Maybe a dozen exchanges, I think it was Independence Day weekend.  I did ask that they check the employee phone list and take my number off of it as I didn't work there and didn't have the keys to either open or close.  

Another few weeks, another text, this from a manager or maybe the owner.  Sent another photo, explained that I'd love to open for them, but didn't have keys, or know their procedures.   Got another apology,  and an assurance that the phone list would be updated.  Haven't gotten a text since.  

I could have gotten annoyed, been rude, or vulgar, but to what point?  An honest mistake, someone might have updated the paper list but forgot to update the number in the company phone.  But, it gave me a chance to make people laugh a little, even if at themselves in embarrassment.  Didn't cost me anything.

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I don't answer the phone if I don't know the person calling unless I am expecting a call.

 

Cuts down on telemarketers

 

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6 minutes ago, Chantry said:

I don't answer the phone if I don't know the person calling unless I am expecting a call.

 

Cuts down on telemarketers

 

Same here...And I don't text either....Cuts down on a lot of calls....

 

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This is a touchy subject with me...............

 

There is a young gal who is going to school in Canada with the EXACT name as I.  My email address is FIRST(DOT)LAST@EMAIL.COM.  Her email is FIRSTLAST@EMAIL.COM.  Recently, she has applied for a couple of car loans (yes I've seen her credit score :o ), She has Uber Eats deliver food a couple of times a week, she buys lots of jewelry from Ross & Simons, I've even seen the lab results from her doctors visits.  I have asked her several times to please change her email address and she refuses.  I've told her of all the things I see that she probably wouldn't want me to see and she still refuses.  She claims since her email address is not the same as mine, I shouldn't be getting her emails, yet I do.  She believes that the software should be intelligent enough to differentiate between the two names.  

 

I have started labeling the emails sent to her as spam in an effort to stop receiving them.  Every time I have contacted her to bring an end to this mess, she is really vile and rude, telling me if I don't like it I need to change my email address.  (I had this email address before she was even a concept.) I believe there is a bit of narcissism in her behavior.  If this email weren't my "private" email that everyone who needs to contact me has, I would change it in a minute.

 

As for the OP, I attempted humor at first, mentioning what she had for dinner the night before (from the Uber Eats receipt) and politely mentioning if she didn't want me to see any more of her info, she might want to change her email.  That was a couple of years ago and she has gotten progressively mean and vile.  Now I just send it to spam and move on.

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I spend a lot of time in my twenties working as a customer service rep, including collections, which really sucked.  I've been screamed at and cursed at.  After  a while the verbal abuse can get to you, especially when your management is pushing for the reps to answer more calls and spend less time on each individual score.

 

I no longer even bother to ask them to put me on the Do Not Call List, partly because I don't think they access to update that list and because it's quicker just to hang up or not answer the phone.

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17 minutes ago, Chantry said:

After  a while the verbal abuse can get to you

 

Thing is,  she wasn't abusive, rude, or even abrupt.  Just a normal conversational tone. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Calamity Kris said:

This is a touchy subject with me...............

 

There is a young gal who is going to school in Canada with the EXACT name as I.  My email address is FIRST(DOT)LAST@EMAIL.COM.  Her email is FIRSTLAST@EMAIL.COM.  Recently, she has applied for a couple of car loans (yes I've seen her credit score :o ), She has Uber Eats deliver food a couple of times a week, she buys lots of jewelry from Ross & Simons, I've even seen the lab results from her doctors visits.  I have asked her several times to please change her email address and she refuses.  I've told her of all the things I see that she probably wouldn't want me to see and she still refuses.  She claims since her email address is not the same as mine, I shouldn't be getting her emails, yet I do.  She believes that the software should be intelligent enough to differentiate between the two names.  

 

I have started labeling the emails sent to her as spam in an effort to stop receiving them.  Every time I have contacted her to bring an end to this mess, she is really vile and rude, telling me if I don't like it I need to change my email address.  (I had this email address before she was even a concept.) I believe there is a bit of narcissism in her behavior.  If this email weren't my "private" email that everyone who needs to contact me has, I would change it in a minute.

 

As for the OP, I attempted humor at first, mentioning what she had for dinner the night before (from the Uber Eats receipt) and politely mentioning if she didn't want me to see any more of her info, she might want to change her email.  That was a couple of years ago and she has gotten progressively mean and vile.  Now I just send it to spam and move on.

 

Sounds like an email 'party line' and just as much fun! 

 

You need to write on the top of the jewelry receipts "Maybe start to save for a home instead" ?

 

Uber eats receipts "Honey watch your weight, fleeting over the lips a lifetime on the hips".

 

Lab results "Oh my dear, whatever have you been up to"?

 

Car loans "Seriously you bought a XXXX, you don't know much about cars do you honey".

 

It won't be long till she changes her email addy.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Calamity Kris said:

This is a touchy subject with me...............

 

There is a young gal who is going to school in Canada with the EXACT name as I.  My email address is FIRST(DOT)LAST@EMAIL.COM.  Her email is FIRSTLAST@EMAIL.COM.  Recently, she has applied for a couple of car loans (yes I've seen her credit score :o ), She has Uber Eats deliver food a couple of times a week, she buys lots of jewelry from Ross & Simons, I've even seen the lab results from her doctors visits.  I have asked her several times to please change her email address and she refuses.  I've told her of all the things I see that she probably wouldn't want me to see and she still refuses.  She claims since her email address is not the same as mine, I shouldn't be getting her emails, yet I do.  She believes that the software should be intelligent enough to differentiate between the two names.  

 

I have started labeling the emails sent to her as spam in an effort to stop receiving them.  Every time I have contacted her to bring an end to this mess, she is really vile and rude, telling me if I don't like it I need to change my email address.  (I had this email address before she was even a concept.) I believe there is a bit of narcissism in her behavior.  If this email weren't my "private" email that everyone who needs to contact me has, I would change it in a minute.

 

As for the OP, I attempted humor at first, mentioning what she had for dinner the night before (from the Uber Eats receipt) and politely mentioning if she didn't want me to see any more of her info, she might want to change her email.  That was a couple of years ago and she has gotten progressively mean and vile.  Now I just send it to spam and move on.

 

Now, if one had an evil (?) mind, one might be tempted to create a Facebook account with that name and location, and post everything sent to you in error.   :rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Calamity Kris said:

This is a touchy subject with me...............

 

There is a young gal who is going to school in Canada with the EXACT name as I.  My email address is FIRST(DOT)LAST@EMAIL.COM.  Her email is FIRSTLAST@EMAIL.COM.  Recently, she has applied for a couple of car loans (yes I've seen her credit score :o ), She has Uber Eats deliver food a couple of times a week, she buys lots of jewelry from Ross & Simons, I've even seen the lab results from her doctors visits.  I have asked her several times to please change her email address and she refuses.  I've told her of all the things I see that she probably wouldn't want me to see and she still refuses.  She claims since her email address is not the same as mine, I shouldn't be getting her emails, yet I do.  She believes that the software should be intelligent enough to differentiate between the two names.  

 

I have started labeling the emails sent to her as spam in an effort to stop receiving them.  Every time I have contacted her to bring an end to this mess, she is really vile and rude, telling me if I don't like it I need to change my email address.  (I had this email address before she was even a concept.) I believe there is a bit of narcissism in her behavior.  If this email weren't my "private" email that everyone who needs to contact me has, I would change it in a minute.

 

As for the OP, I attempted humor at first, mentioning what she had for dinner the night before (from the Uber Eats receipt) and politely mentioning if she didn't want me to see any more of her info, she might want to change her email.  That was a couple of years ago and she has gotten progressively mean and vile.  Now I just send it to spam and move on.

 

8 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

 

Now, if one had an evil (?) mind, one might be tempted to create a Facebook account with that name and location, and post everything sent to you in error.   :rolleyes:

I was thinking that maybe, if it were me, I might start saving the email addresses of those emailing HER, and start forwarding those emails to everybody else that sends something to her. :ph34r: 

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I have received erroneous texts and when I responded the people were very nice and appreciative. Also, I can usually tell if it’s Phishing. Too familiar too fast and I block the number. 
I have been fooled but only a couple told times. 
I try to treat people the way I like to be treated. It just seems that lately, the past couple of years, attitudes have become more caustic. 

 

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7 hours ago, Calamity Kris said:

This is a touchy subject with me...............

 

There is a young gal who is going to school in Canada with the EXACT name as I.  My email address is FIRST(DOT)LAST@EMAIL.COM.  Her email is FIRSTLAST@EMAIL.COM.  Recently, she has applied for a couple of car loans (yes I've seen her credit score :o ), She has Uber Eats deliver food a couple of times a week, she buys lots of jewelry from Ross & Simons, I've even seen the lab results from her doctors visits.  I have asked her several times to please change her email address and she refuses.  I've told her of all the things I see that she probably wouldn't want me to see and she still refuses.  She claims since her email address is not the same as mine, I shouldn't be getting her emails, yet I do.  She believes that the software should be intelligent enough to differentiate between the two names.  

 

I have started labeling the emails sent to her as spam in an effort to stop receiving them.  Every time I have contacted her to bring an end to this mess, she is really vile and rude, telling me if I don't like it I need to change my email address.  (I had this email address before she was even a concept.) I believe there is a bit of narcissism in her behavior.  If this email weren't my "private" email that everyone who needs to contact me has, I would change it in a minute.

 

As for the OP, I attempted humor at first, mentioning what she had for dinner the night before (from the Uber Eats receipt) and politely mentioning if she didn't want me to see any more of her info, she might want to change her email.  That was a couple of years ago and she has gotten progressively mean and vile.  Now I just send it to spam and move on.

Just start signing up for every junk email you get with her address. Yes, I have a mean streak.

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Because Todays society demands respect but gives none, however they have no self respect one quick trip to Walmart will confirm. 
There are a lot of failures as "Parents " out there now .

 

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7 hours ago, Calamity Kris said:

This is a touchy subject with me...............

 

There is a young gal who is going to school in Canada with the EXACT name as I.  My email address is FIRST(DOT)LAST@EMAIL.COM.  Her email is FIRSTLAST@EMAIL.COM.  Recently, she has applied for a couple of car loans (yes I've seen her credit score :o ), She has Uber Eats deliver food a couple of times a week, she buys lots of jewelry from Ross & Simons, I've even seen the lab results from her doctors visits.  I have asked her several times to please change her email address and she refuses.  I've told her of all the things I see that she probably wouldn't want me to see and she still refuses.  She claims since her email address is not the same as mine, I shouldn't be getting her emails, yet I do.  She believes that the software should be intelligent enough to differentiate between the two names.  

 

I have started labeling the emails sent to her as spam in an effort to stop receiving them.  Every time I have contacted her to bring an end to this mess, she is really vile and rude, telling me if I don't like it I need to change my email address.  (I had this email address before she was even a concept.) I believe there is a bit of narcissism in her behavior.  If this email weren't my "private" email that everyone who needs to contact me has, I would change it in a minute.

 

As for the OP, I attempted humor at first, mentioning what she had for dinner the night before (from the Uber Eats receipt) and politely mentioning if she didn't want me to see any more of her info, she might want to change her email.  That was a couple of years ago and she has gotten progressively mean and vile.  Now I just send it to spam and move on.

You should start replying back to emails for her with "you have the wrong email address" and leave it at that. :ph34r:

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i have a friend here that responded to sometrhing like that and suddenly all his credit cards and his bank account had been breeched - i just delete , if it was an honest mistake - he should have been more careful , if it was phishing expedition too bad , 

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28 minutes ago, watab kid said:

i have a friend here that responded to sometrhing like that and suddenly all his credit cards and his bank account had been breeched - i just delete , if it was an honest mistake - he should have been more careful , if it was phishing expedition too bad , 

Sounds like my sixth grade coach telling us “If you kiss a girl, you’ll get VD!”

 

No one can steal your identity from responding to a text. 

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1 hour ago, Pat Riot said:

Sounds like my sixth grade coach telling us “If you kiss a girl, you’ll get VD!”

 

No one can steal your identity from responding to a text. 

well , they accessed his phone and got to his cards and bank act , 

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If it's a genuine wrong number, I'll be civil. Hell, if it's a wrong number at 3 a.m., I'll be more than civil -- I'll be appreciative (been too many times it WASN'T a wrong number at 3 a.m.). If someone can't be decent; as long as they're not abrasive, meh.

 

But robocalls? No mercy. I'll taunt, I'll string along, I'll feign trying hard to understand them while twisting their words back to help them develop patience. Property flippers? Not a problem. "Let's see, I've got some properties I'm trying to move, and I think that's one of them. Let me put you on hold while I get the file." (The longest sat on hold for about 3 minutes.)

 

The thread reminds me of this . . . 

 

 

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@Ozark Huckleberry THANK YOU for that video clip. I am wiping my eyes from laughter as I type this. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

And, thank you for your sentiments on your perspective on wrong numbers. 


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We all talk about how uncivil the world is today while being uncivil to others about how the world is today. 

A freakin’ scammer is not behind everything that happens on your electronic devices people. If you are so afraid then get rid of them and get a land line and move on. 

 

Oh wait…all calls on landlines are scammers too…dump those as well.

 

Amazon has a deal on bongo drums and fire pits depending on your preferred communication style and the local fire laws in your area. :P

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Oh, and if you’re afraid of Identity Theft freeze your credit through all 3 credit reporting agencies. It isn’t hard. Just call each one and freeze your credit. Scammers can do nothing with THAT once you do and don’t save your passwords and security question answers for the credit agencies electronically. 
 

https://www.usa.gov/credit-freeze

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12 hours ago, watab kid said:

i have a friend here that responded to sometrhing like that and suddenly all his credit cards and his bank account had been breeched - i just delete , if it was an honest mistake - he should have been more careful , if it was phishing expedition too bad , 

 

I feel like they skipped over some parts there, those scams usually involve some phishing, like the scammer being really polite and friendly and engaging the mark in conversation with things like admitting they got the area code wrong and than asking if your from the area your phones area code is linked to or anything else to get you to divulge personal information that can be used to access your accounts.  Think about the security questions that you give answers to when you set up an account, like where did you graduate high school, where did you get married, what was your first car or pet.   Sad reality is that the scam artist relly on the desire to have manners and be polite because that keeps you engaged and gives them more chances to trick you into telling them things.

 

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22 minutes ago, Dilli GaHoot Galoot said:

the scammer being really polite and friendly    Sad reality is that the scam artist relly on the desire to have manners and be polite because that keeps you engaged and gives them more chances to trick you into telling them things.

Sometimes they really get mad when you tell them that their mother is having "relations" with your camel. 

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21 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

Thing is,  she wasn't abusive, rude, or even abrupt.  Just a normal conversational tone. 

 

 

I didn't mean to imply your wife rude, it was a general comment.

 

I consider myself reasonably thick skinned, but personally I found telephone customer service, which I did for banking, medical and collections to be a low paying, high stress job.  I suspect that telemarketing is even worse.  My guess is that the average telemarketer is working that job because it is that or being unemployed with bills that need to be paid.

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49 minutes ago, Chantry said:

I didn't mean to imply your wife rude, it was a general comment.

 

I consider myself reasonably thick skinned, but personally I found telephone customer service, which I did for banking, medical and collections to be a low paying, high stress job.  I suspect that telemarketing is even worse.  My guess is that the average telemarketer is working that job because it is that or being unemployed with bills that need to be paid.

 

In college I did telemarketing for one day.   The tiny,  cramped,  noisy, hot room,  the abusive supervisors, and irritated victims were too much for me. 

 

My usual way to deal with the calls is just to say, as soon as it's clear that it's a cold call, is just to say "No, thank you, take me off your call list" and hang up.   Somewhat rude,  but it lets them move on quickly. 

 

Every once in a  while, especially if the call is after about 2100 (my usual bed time)  I'll string them along. 

One time I got a  call about my student loans,  which I had paid off in the '90s, at about 2200 and I was feeling cruddywiththe Fauci Flu, just as I was in that wonderful place when you are asleep but think you are still reading the book that slipped from your hand 15 minutes ago.   I don't know about you,  but a call at that time of night snaps me awake with a,  "Oh, carp! Who isin the hospital?" dread.  I managed to get bumped up two levels over about 30 or 40 minutes before I got tired of the game.   When I told the last guy that I was playing "scam the scammer" he got upset with me for wasting his time.  I lit into him in a way that I wouldn't use on the lower level callers.  HE had no problem having HIS funkies waking ME up, wasting MY time.   First time in years I'd heard a phone slammed down. 

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1 hour ago, Chantry said:

 My guess is that the average telemarketer is working that job because it is that or being unemployed with bills that need to be paid.

If it's an actual just trying to sell something or a political poll, I'll be decent to them. However, it it's somebody about my "New car warranty", (my newest car is a 2006 Moparbishi), or my credit card debt, wanting to buy my house, etc., I usually just hang up. However, occasionally, depending on my mood or if I'm actually doing something, I'll string them along. Especially if it's somebody with a distinctly Indian accent.

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On 3/1/2024 at 11:48 AM, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said:

Pat:

 

…I've been getting cell calls for over a year that are obviously wrong numbers.  Political fund raising requests, realtors, property flippers, car dealers - mostly out of Texas.  At first, I politely informed the callers of their error; never once did the caller apologize; most of the time, they simply hung up without comment….


iPhone > Settings > Phone > Silence Unknown Callers > ON

 

ALL callers not in your iPhone Contacts will go straight to your voice mail.

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1 hour ago, Chantry said:

My guess is that the average telemarketer is working that job because it is that or being unemployed with bills that need to be paid.


I have a childhood friend whose legs are paralyzed from polio.  Education opportunities for a wheel bound woman 60 years ago weren’t what they are today.  Her employment as a Telemarketer allows her to work from her apartment and avoid, to a degree, public handicap assess ability difficulties. 

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6 hours ago, Pat Riot said:

Oh, and if you’re afraid of Identity Theft freeze your credit through all 3 credit reporting agencies. It isn’t hard. Just call each one and freeze your credit. Scammers can do nothing with THAT once you do and don’t save your passwords and security question answers for the credit agencies electronically. 
 

https://www.usa.gov/credit-freeze


I believe that if you just contact one of the services they will contact the others for you.

 

Seamus

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3 minutes ago, Seamus McGillicuddy said:


I believe that if you just contact one of the services they will contact the others for you.

 

Seamus

Interesting. I didn’t know that. Thanks.  

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