H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 While looking over my Henry after getting back from a gunsmith, I got to thinking, again, about a way to avoid having to do the "Henry Hop." The most common, and probably easiest way is to put a spacer in the magazine. But is that the only way? I found myself wondering if there would not be a way to have some sort of a block of wood that you could fit over the barrel that would sit against the frame and do double duty as a fowler stop and a makeshift forestock. I can see it in my mind, but I don't know if it's actually feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 That would be an illegal external modification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I saw one that had a 8” is so strap attached to the sling swivel point on the barrel. Had a knot in the end. Shooter held the strap in fist, pulling rifle into shoulder. Looked to have plenty of control over rifle. I’m not sure if this would be called a sling or not. I just use the stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Put a stop screw in the carrier so you can shoot .45 Cowboy Specials. With ten rounds in the tube, it is pretty easy to put your support hand in front of the follower. No sticks required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie MacNeil, SASS #48580 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 There was a "modification" approved recently that allowed a leather wrap around the barrel/magazine that, couple with a spacer stick, eliminated the "Henry Hop"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Henry 7046 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I had a loading gate installed and the lifter modified so as it loaded just like the 66. I then cut that dam little tab off. Oh the joy of it all!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Clyde Henry 7046 said: I had a loading gate installed and the lifter modified so as it loaded just like the 66. I then cut that dam little tab off. Oh the joy of it all!! Also an illegal modification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Clyde Henry 7046 said: I had a loading gate installed and the lifter modified so as it loaded just like the 66. I then cut that dam little tab off. Oh the joy of it all!! 1 hour ago, Ace_of_Hearts said: Also an illegal modification. If the rifle replicates a "Transitional Henry", it is in compliance with the "Rifle Requirements" (ROC ruling - March 2006) Quote Rifles or carbines used in the main and team matches must be original or replicas of lever or slide action rifles manufactured during the period from approximately 1860 until 1899, incorporating a tubular magazine and exposed hammer. SHB p.39 SOURCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Clyde Henry 7046 said: I had a loading gate installed and the lifter modified so as it loaded just like the 66. I then cut that dam little tab off. Oh the joy of it all!! Could someone just put a 66 side plate with a gate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Major Art Tillery shoots a Henry quite well with no mods. Smokeless and BP. He's just learned to hold his support hand fingers in a V on the tube and that tab moves freely right through his fingers. He's pretty smooth with a Henry. No stick, no glove, no huge hands either. Just experimented, found an easy way to run a Henry while keeping it simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Verdigris Kid Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 11 hours ago, Dantankerous said: Major Art Tillery shoots a Henry quite well with no mods. Smokeless and BP. He's just learned to hold his support hand fingers in a V on the tube and that tab moves freely right through his fingers. He's pretty smooth with a Henry. No stick, no glove, no huge hands either. Just experimented, found an easy way to run a Henry while keeping it simple. That is the way I shot my Henry at the Showdown since we were loading 13 for the side match so no hop stick. Worked great even with my short fat fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 On 2/9/2021 at 7:19 PM, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: I found myself wondering if there would not be a way to have some sort of a block of wood that you could fit over the barrel that would sit against the frame and do double duty as a fowler stop and a makeshift forestock. I can see it in my mind, but I don't know if it's actually feasible. It’s been done and was posted here on the wire within the last few years. Interesting, but illegal for SASS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Art Tillery Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 43 minutes ago, The Verdigris Kid said: That is the way I shot my Henry at the Showdown since we were loading 13 for the side match so no hop stick. Worked great even with my short fat fingers. Yeah you rocked that Henry... Going to whip ya this year pard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waxahachie Kid #17017 L Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I don't mind the "Henry Hop". It just goes with the territory. if I wanted a rifle that I didn't have to put up with the "hop", I'd never have bought a Henry. I would have gone with a '66. Actually...I did get a '66 as well. But that is just me. I totally understand that the Henry looks beyond cool, and I also totally understand that some folks want to address the "hop", and make it all a smoother ride. But...for me...I just don't see the point. However...as long as it is okay with the powers-that-be, and it follows the tons of rules we have, then I say, great....go for it Willie!!! Reading about the modifications is really very interesting, and I enjoy seeing the Pards work out a solution to the "hop". I appreciate the ingenuity of it all. No place but the U.S.A.!!!! W.K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 I assume this would be a no no, but I'll ask that Palewolf chime in. What about putting in your ten live rounds and then "topping off" the magazine with snap caps? For the record, use a spacer stick. I sometimes just even do the hop. I just thought it would be interesting to see what are some of the other ways people have thought of to "deal with" the issue. A couple of the suggestions made have been really interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 50 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: What about putting in your ten live rounds and then "topping off" the magazine with snap caps? I am also curious what others say, but my guess is that you could do that as long you cycle them all out before staging the rifle or going to the ULT. You probably could also overload with live rounds, just not use (shoot) one without penalty. If you'd use one you likely get a SOG as it was on purpose (kind of...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 3 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: ...What about putting in your ten live rounds and then "topping off" the magazine with snap caps? ... 2 hours ago, Equanimous Phil said: I am also curious what others say, but my guess is that you could do that as long you cycle them all out before staging the rifle or going to the ULT. You probably could also overload with live rounds, just not use (shoot) one without penalty. If you'd use one you likely get a SOG as it was on purpose (kind of...) Any "extra" rounds (including snap caps, IMO) loaded in a rifle would need to be cleared before firing the next gun to avoid a MSV (SHB p.22) Firing an extra round would be a "P". (SHB p.22) A Loading Table Officer should stop a shooter from loading more rounds than required for the stage. (SHB p.21) Use a "spacer stick"...NOT extra rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: Any "extra" rounds (including snap caps, IMO) loaded in a rifle would need to be cleared before firing the next gun to avoid a MSV (SHB p.22) Firing an extra round would be a "P". (SHB p.22) A Loading Table Officer should stop a shooter from loading more rounds than required for the stage. (SHB p.21) Use a "spacer stick"...NOT extra rounds. Sounds reasonable to me. Another problem with the snap cap route is that you will probably lose them rather quickly. Like I said, I use a spacer stick. I just like talking about "possibilities." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Mother Nature has had a method since creation ... jus hold the barrel over the magazine with your thumb, index and middle fingers. Magazine lever slides right between your fingers. works for me but if ya have stubby fingers, use a different method Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sam, SASS #10915 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Transitional Henry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 On 2/9/2021 at 7:19 PM, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: While looking over my Henry after getting back from a gunsmith, I got to thinking, again, about a way to avoid having to do the "Henry Hop." The most common, and probably easiest way is to put a spacer in the magazine. But is that the only way? Just load 5 rounds. Take 5 "shots not fired" penalties. Simple, no gamesmanship, no wondering if it's within the rules, let the scorekeeper do the math! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, Cypress Sam, SASS #10915 said: Transitional Henry. That kinda looks like what I envisioned. But as I look at it, I find myself thinking how does it push the final rounds into the chamber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Willy Dunkum, SASS # 61027 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 I use the spacer stick, dowel rod with a small brass screw about 1/2" from end so it won't go in too far after last shot. Works great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 I guess you could use just a dowel cut to the right length. When the last shot is fired, the dowel slides in and locks the action. You know your out of bullets. Ok, probably not helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sam, SASS #10915 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 6:33 PM, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: That kinda looks like what I envisioned. But as I look at it, I find myself thinking how does it push the final rounds into the chamber? Sorry about the delay answering your question. I used the same spacer stick as you would in one without the forend. You could make a follower with an extended nose to do the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeafar SASS # 6750 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 You could try something like this. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/75/2008/extremely-rare-documented-experimental-briggs-patent-henry https://peashooter85.tumblr.com/post/62113171548/the-briggs-patent-henry-rifle-during-the-civil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 11:13 AM, John Boy said: Mother Nature has had a method since creation ... jus hold the barrel over the magazine with your thumb, index and middle fingers. Magazine lever slides right between your fingers. works for me but if ya have stubby fingers, use a different method On 2/20/2021 at 8:07 AM, blazeafar SASS # 6750 said: You could try something like this.https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/75/2008/extremely-rare-documented-experimental-briggs-patent-henryhttps://peashooter85.tumblr.com/post/62113171548/the-briggs-patent-henry-rifle-during-the-civil I shot a Henry for years in N-SSA competition for years,and we loaded up the magazine all the way. Never had a problem by holding it like John Boy stated . The only thing is had to wear a glove because the barrel gets really hot with BP loads. Nawlins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Willy Dunkum, SASS # 61027 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 57 minutes ago, Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 said: I shot a Henry for years in N-SSA competition for years,and we loaded up the magazine all the way. Never had a problem by holding it like John Boy stated . The only thing is had to wear a glove because the barrel gets really hot with BP loads. Nawlins Not wanting to wear a glove with my 1860 Henry and with the new SASS rules change, p34 under Stocks and Grips, " A leather lace on "heat shield" wrap around the barrel and magazine tube of the 1860 Henry rifle is allowed." My question is, has anyone made a successful wrap yet? I can't see how the follower will clear a lace on wrap. I'm interested. No specifications as to length so is hand width understood or is it personal preference? I don't want to overthink this but want to color within the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Nawlins, if you shoot fast enough, the heat on the barrel won’t catch up to your fingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Rev Willy Dunkum, SASS # 61027 said: Not wanting to wear a glove with my 1860 Henry and with the new SASS rules change, p34 under Stocks and Grips, " A leather lace on "heat shield" wrap around the barrel and magazine tube of the 1860 Henry rifle is allowed." My question is, has anyone made a successful wrap yet? Yes, photos of a working prototype was submitted with the FMC. I can't see how the follower will clear a lace on wrap. It doesn't. IIRC, a "spacer stick" is used under the wrap to stop the follower at the front of the wrap. I'm interested. No specifications as to length so is hand width understood or is it personal preference? No restrictions regarding length. I don't want to overthink this but want to color within the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Willy Dunkum, SASS # 61027 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Thanks PaleWolf, that makes more sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 51 minutes ago, John Boy said: Nawlins, if you shoot fast enough, the heat on the barrel won’t catch up to your fingers WE also shot muskets and used Crisco for lube on the mini balls. Well one time a team member's glove stated to smother from the heat of the barrel of the Henry., I guess the glove had too much embedded Crisco. He took the glove off really fast and was lucky he did not burned. Nawlins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I know it's a Movie. Watch Tom Sellect, in Return to Sable River . At the end of the Movie he is using a Henry . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Shoot it upside down???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 On 2/22/2021 at 9:22 PM, John Boy said: Nawlins, if you shoot fast enough, the heat on the barrel won’t catch up to your fingers Actually, that’s quite true. I can shoot one briskly, if not fast and not need a glove with BP. However, I use a rag to retrieve it when the stage is complete. It’s really soaked with heat by then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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