John Boy Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 First right answer - join me in the Saloon for 3 fingers of rye and a beer chaser All wrong answers - Back to the Reloading Room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 48 minutes ago, John Boy said: First right answer - join me in the Saloon for 3 fingers of rye and a beer chaser All wrong answers - Back to the Reloading Room Bullets don't fall out... Too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 I just know...... OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 I normally load SIX of 'like powered' rounds in the revolver, shoot 5. Then pull the 6th round and measure its OAL in comparison to its OAL before being put in the revolver. Often, I will put that 6th round back in the revolver and shoot 5 more. Then pull that same round out and measure its OAL again. If your ammo is of the lesser powered type, heavy crimps are not required..... but the recoil of 'like powered' type rounds will show if your crimp is sufficient when you check the OAL as mentioned above. Same is true with heavy magnum type loads. A proper heavy crimp will also show its effectiveness after shooting 5 or 10 rounds and checking OAL on that unfired round. One other way to visually check proper crimp is if the mouth of your case gets 'crinkled' during the crimp process. But that only shows OVER CRIMP. I prefer the shooting test method. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Creek Kid Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 If you can't push the bullet into the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 I seat the projectile until the case mouth covers 3/4 of the crimp groove. After crimping, the "crimp" has pulled the projectile down and the crimp is fully seated in the groove, with no bulging and no "ring around" the case mouth from over crimp. Don't know if "others" would agree ... and they certainly are entitled to their individual Opine, even if it's wrong. With my dies, in my press, this works a treat!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Tom Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 When they come out of the crimping die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Hangtree Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: I seat the projectile until the case mouth covers 3/4 of the crimp groove. After crimping, the "crimp" has pulled the projectile down and the crimp is fully seated in the groove, with no bulging and no "ring around" the case mouth from over crimp. Don't know if "others" would agree ... and they certainly are entitled to their individual Opine, even if it's wrong. With my dies, in my press, this works a treat!! Exactly my method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 37 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: I seat the projectile until the case mouth covers 3/4 of the crimp groove. After crimping, the "crimp" has pulled the projectile down and the crimp is fully seated in the groove, with no bulging and no "ring around" the case mouth from over crimp. Don't know if "others" would agree ... and they certainly are entitled to their individual Opine, even if it's wrong. With my dies, in my press, this works a treat!! What if your bullet doesn't have a crimp groove? ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beartrap SASS#57175 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 When it takes at least 3 good whacks of the bullet puller to pull out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Widder, I don't shoot ANY bullets that don't have a crimp groove. Not at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted June 15, 2019 Author Share Posted June 15, 2019 Let me give you a hint - you use your thumb & index finger - Carry On, the beer warm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 35 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Widder, I don't shoot ANY bullets that don't have a crimp groove. Not at all Bearcreek has some great slick sided moly coated bullets. LEE FCD is all you need. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, John Boy said: Let me give you a hint - you use your thumb & index finger - Carry On, the beer warm Sometimes you need a very firm crimp because of recoil. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted June 15, 2019 Author Share Posted June 15, 2019 Quote LEE FCD is all you need. OLG Your on the sniff Grits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells Comin Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 I just over crimp and don't worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Thunder Creek Kid said: If you can't push the bullet into the case. I push the bullet as hard as I can against the side of the bench. If it goes in, crimp no good!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 You can't spin the bullet in the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Will Bartell Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I follow the directions on the LEE Factory Crimp die - works perfectly on my 45-70 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 You all seems to be talking about things like 45-70 or 45 Colt. But if you over-crimp a 44-40 you will get much more than a crinkled case. And you aren't going to get the crimped brass to pull the bullet further in to the case, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Of course we are mostly talking about straight wall cases The majority of SASS are Straight ........ Walled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 First: I make my crimp look somewhat like quality, factory ammo. Second: When the ammo works in all of my guns all of the time the crimp is correct. Blackfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major BS Walker Regulator Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 said: When the ammo works in all of my guns all of the time the crimp is correct. Blackfoot This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 13 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: I push the bullet as hard as I can against the side of the bench. If it goes in, crimp no good!! This! I set my Dillon up to load the way I want then I follow the principle that if it works don’t mess with it. 8.5 years and maybe 100,000 rounds later, no squibs and no collapsed rounds, it seems to be working. No calipers, no weighing every Xth round, no vibrating hoppers, no peering into the cases to check for powder, just place the bullet, pull the handle and repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 18 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: I normally load SIX of 'like powered' rounds in the revolver, shoot 5. Then pull the 6th round and measure its OAL in comparison to its OAL before being put in the revolver. Often, I will put that 6th round back in the revolver and shoot 5 more. Then pull that same round out and measure its OAL again. If your ammo is of the lesser powered type, heavy crimps are not required..... but the recoil of 'like powered' type rounds will show if your crimp is sufficient when you check the OAL as mentioned above. Same is true with heavy magnum type loads. A proper heavy crimp will also show its effectiveness after shooting 5 or 10 rounds and checking OAL on that unfired round. One other way to visually check proper crimp is if the mouth of your case gets 'crinkled' during the crimp process. But that only shows OVER CRIMP. I prefer the shooting test method. ..........Widder Wow that's a lot of loading. Load 10 rounds for every one you bring to a match. For a 10 stage match with 10-10-4 stages, that adds up quick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted June 16, 2019 Author Share Posted June 16, 2019 OK,let's eliminate finger seated ('slip seating) BPCR reloads that are shot in a single shot ... All others: * Look at the case mouth of a loaded round * Run your finger downward over the case mouth * If the case mouth is partially separated from the bullet or is rough to the touch - shows no crimping from the die - it needs to be crimped * Put in your roll or factory crimp die and squeeze the case mouth * Run your finger now over the case mouth - if it is smooth ... it is crimped properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 20 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: I normally load SIX of 'like powered' rounds in the revolver, shoot 5. Then pull the 6th round and measure its OAL in comparison to its OAL before being put in the revolver. Often, I will put that 6th round back in the revolver and shoot 5 more. Then pull that same round out and measure its OAL again. It took me a couple seconds... you are checking for bullet migration after a series of heavy recoils. Perfect idea, many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 It took me a couple seconds... you are checking for bullet migration after a series of heavy recoils. Perfect idea, many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Ramblin Gambler said: Wow that's a lot of loading. Load 10 rounds for every one you bring to a match. For a 10 stage match with 10-10-4 stages, that adds up quick! 12 minutes ago, bgavin said: It took me a couple seconds... you are checking for bullet migration after a series of heavy recoils. Perfect idea, many thanks! GAMBLER: Sorri for any confusion. When I originally set up my seat/crimp die, I check my crimp setting using the stated test above. Once the crimp is set to my satisfaction, I never do any more testing. The method has served me perfectly for such hot calibers in a revolver like .44 mag, hot .45 colt, and especially .454 Casull. BGAVIN: Yes. The worse thing I want in a revolver is to have the bullet move forward out of the case and lock up the 'revolvers' action. Nor do I want any of my auto pistol bullets to push back into the case in my semi auto pistols. Bad mo-jo. I agree there are a few good ways for us to acquire a good, reliable crimp. I just thought I would share my favorite. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I appreciate that. The above is a splendid idea, and makes perfect real-world sense. Hopefully I will have less trouble hand loading my bullets than with editing an "oops" post on the board... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I can see the case indented into the crimp groove on the bullet. I like 'em nice and tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 When the Bullet doesn't creep forward out of the Case .... Either from Recoil or Compressed Powder and Pushing it out ... Make Smoke Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Ya seat em, ya run em through your FCD then ya hold em up to yer ear and listen to em... they'll tell ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said: Ya seat em, ya run em through your FCD then ya hold em up to yer ear and listen to em... they'll tell ya. What do they say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 If they're crimped enough, of course. And other things... sooo many other things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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