Boulder Canyon Bob# 32052L Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The TG's have a couple of items on their talking points, not voting proposals, just talking points that concern me and hopefully others, these 2 concern Classic Cowboy.The first is the change, to limit shotguns to 1880, which would eliminate 87 lever and would eliminate some other SXS's as well and the second is to require chaps and spurs. I strongly oppose these changes and would hope other Classic Cowboys would do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Hills Barb Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 It's gonna be 90+ with humidity just as high this weekend at a 3 match we're attending. As a Classic Cowgirl you WON'T be seeing me in chaps and spurs. I don't want a ride in an ambulance for the sake of someone's idea of what "classic" may or may not be. This is a great category. I have been shooting it since it's inception. Please don't mess with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Art Tillery Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I shoot hammered CZ Shotguns.... Would they be eliminated? And I like to wear chaps.... But like mentioned it gets over a 100 plus humidity in Kansas sometimes and well the chaps just ain't always going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Whiskey, SASS #75905 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 It's gonna be 90+ with humidity just as high this weekend at a 3 match we're attending. As a Classic Cowgirl you WON'T be seeing me in chaps and spurs. I don't want a ride in an ambulance for the sake of someone's idea of what "classic" may or may not be. This is a great category. I have been shooting it since it's inception. Please don't mess with it. Have to agree with you Barb. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 For gosh sakes leave it alone!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozarks Ranger, SASS # 39553R Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 leave the rest alone. besides you have to shoot a double hammer gun NOT a 97. like what was said too hot for chaps sometimes, I wear mine most of the time. plus you have other options. Please leave it alone. Happy Trails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 This looks like someone looking for a solution to something that's not a problem. What's wrong with the 87? They don't look classic enough? They're certainly not any kind of competitive advantage. And adding mandatory items? Might as well just make it a strict dress code that everyone has to follow rather than a choice of items on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Dot, 14911 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I'm definitely against this proposal. Seems like the chaps and spurs thing was voted down several years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turquoise Bill, SASS #39118 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Who is coming up with this crap? Leave things along, don't try and fix something that ain't broken! TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Now you guys that shoot Classic Cowboy are beginning to feel the heat that us B-Western shooters have felt over the last few years. Ace The let's make B-Western Black Powder guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I've said it many times. Let only those that enter/sign-up for the categories, be the one's to vote for changes or additions. Most know very little about the categories, nor what is worn or used. Don't know how many matches were the shooters of CC and B were asked to check each other out, rather then the MD, or PM. In fact if a CC shooter who was shooting through, had not caught the only "B" western shooter on a posse using a 73,(he had a 92 in his cart), no one would have been wiser. MT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Dot, 14911 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 And Ace I've always said let the B Western folks decide on their category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackey Cole Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 As a cc shooter who barely can walk spurs are a walking hazard for me I've tried. The second is I normally shoot a 87 shotgun and think cc is the most popular place where you will see the 87 used. In the other categories those that wish to shoot something besides a SxS use a 97 the 87 has the smallest following of the four types of shotguns they're even more hammered sxss being used than 87s. If they make that change I'll have to find another category to play in after spending much money this past year on chaps, chinks, knives and botas. I'll be able to use them in all the other categories that I would shoot but I'm having fun in cc the way it is. So please do not support this change with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Well, there is a bright side. I've been wanting an '87, if they make the gun change maybe I can pick one up cheap. Just kidding, if I had any say in the matter, my say would be to repeat what the classic cowboy shooters want, and that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Sandor, SASS #74075 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Don't know if this will help or not, but...In the TG Agenda, as stated in the OP, The Classic Cowboy/Girl and B-Western items are Discussion Items. Even more importantly, the agenda annotations for these items clearly say in so many words "We need to hear from the Classic guys on these," and "We need to hear from the BW shooters on this!" Please let your TG know how you feel so the discussion can go in what you feel to be the correct direction! FWIW, the affected shooters in my club who have spoken to me agree with the above assessments. CS Edit for spelling. cs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Coroner Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Who is coming up with this crap? Leave things along, don't try and fix something that ain't broken! TB Amen brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Don't panic! I wouldn't be TOO concerned about the likelihood of these getting on the ballot at the TG Summit in December. This is an excerpt from the minutes of the End of Trail Territorial Governor's meeting where these issues were introduced as DISCUSSION ITEMS and the TGs present were "straw polled": 1) Should the “B” Western regulations be amended to allow “any SASS-legal rifle”? ROC recommendation to “leave BW rules alone.” Straw poll results = NO change 5) Classic Cowboy rifle (all firearms) cutoff change to 1880. Discussion: This would allow the TTN 1878 Colt SxS hammer gun, but NOT the 1887 Winchester lever action shotgun in the category. Would also disallow the Remington 1890 revolver, and other models of a later date. Straw poll of Classic TGs = NO 6) Should chaps and spurs be MANDATORY in “Classic” category? Concerns: Heat issues in some parts of the country. Other considerations: Classic Cowgirl clothing allowances. ROC recommendation = Not broken…no need to “fix” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The minutes of the EoT TG meeting were posted on the TG Wire on 25 JULY The Summit discussion/agenda/clarification items were posted on the TG Wire on 18 AUGUST. If the information posted here regarding the clarifications and discussion items is news to you, I suggest you ask your club TG when/if these items will be announced to your members for discussion and a vote on the actual agenda items. Some folks seem to think the TG system is "broken"...it IS if the Territorial Governors aren't doing their job in getting this information out to their clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 5) Classic Cowboy rifle (all firearms) cutoff change to 1880. Discussion: This would allow the TTN 1878 Colt SxS hammer gun, but NOT the 1887 Winchester lever action shotgun in the category. Would also disallow the Remington 1890 revolver, and other models of a later date. Straw poll of Classic TGs = NO Please no. I just learned of this pistol's existence. I would hate to pick one up someday and not be able to use it in classic cowboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Floyd Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I have contacted my TG on this issue. S. Floyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 And Ace I've always said let the B Western folks decide on their category. Why???? All members have an opportunity to shoot the category...they, as members, should be able to have a say. Oy... Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Why???? All members have an opportunity to shoot the category...they, as members, should be able to have a say. Oy... Phantom I agree with Phantom. Myself I am planning on going Classic Cowboy one day when finances allow purchase of the guns and reloading stuff to feed them. Secondly, as someone who runs the timer, I am tasked with assessing category costume compliance. Changes in the rules do effect me even though I don't shoot in that category. FWIW, I say no on the change to make spurs and chaps mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Dot, 14911 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 And we have a lot of folks with no interest in shooting these categories wanting to make changes. If you have an interest in shooting b western or classic cowboy your opinions are welcome. Otherwise they are worth what we paid for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 And we have a lot of folks with no interest in shooting these categories wanting to make changes. If you have an interest in shooting b western or classic cowboy your opinions are welcome. Otherwise they are worth what we paid for them! So now folks need to know what the future may or may not hold for them...wonderful. And we pay the same amount for opinions from those with and without a current desire to participate in any category. Every current SASS member has a right to offer their opinions on these issues...period. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concho Billy Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 So, now we need to be in a special club (currently shooting or planning on shooting B-Western) to have an opinion and share said opoinion? I like having the ability to shoot any category at some point as I stroll through life...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Hello, I too agree with Phantom. Twice, I've asked about allowing any rifle in B-Western. Any propellant, shooting style, pistol, and SG is allowed. It made sense to me to allow any rifle. I already shoot a Marlin, so it wouldn't affect me. The noes were overwhelming. I wonder how many of them actually shoot the category. Funny thing is that both times I asked this question, the request to ask was made by someone who already shoots BW and wanted to encourage more competition/participation in their favorite category. I have been informed that as the TGs say "leave it alone," it will not be on the TG Summit Agenda. Regards, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Pete SASS #42168 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 It seems that I read about 'talking points' or actual TG agenda items every year that simply fly in the face of common sense. How well represented is the membership? How many TGs are there? How many TGs attend the TG meetings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 It seems that I read about 'talking points' or actual TG agenda items every year that simply fly in the face of common sense. Care to elaborate on that statement? How well represented is the membership? How many TGs are there? How many TGs attend the TG meetings? http://www.sassnet.com/TG-Main-001A.php Your club Territorial Governor should be able to answer those questions based on the results of the last Summit. The EoT, Regional, and State TG meetings are attended by those Governors participating in the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 sadly some clubs have no respect for the office of TG,,, but will whine about the results... and others think the TGs are a step above everyone.... too bad more TGs don't live up to that standard!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Hello, I too agree with Phantom. Twice, I've asked about allowing any rifle in B-Western. Any propellant, shooting style, pistol, and SG is allowed. It made sense to me to allow any rifle. I already shoot a Marlin, so it wouldn't affect me. The noes were overwhelming. I wonder how many of them actually shoot the category. Funny thing is that both times I asked this question, the request to ask was made by someone who already shoots BW and wanted to encourage more competition/participation in their favorite category. I have been informed that as the TGs say "leave it alone," it will not be on the TG Summit Agenda. Regards, Allie Mo I'd love to see Allie Mo all decked out in B Western gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Goodnight Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Who is coming up with this crap? Leave things along, don't try and fix something that ain't broken! TB Jesus Christ and General Jackson! Amen Brother. I heard about these "Discussion Items" at EoT and hoped they would have assumed room temperature by now. aka Dropped Dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostVaquero Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Just right off hand where do find out who the territorial govenor is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Just right off hand where do find out who the territorial govenor is? The quickest way is to ask at your club(s) who the TG is. The second way is to look at the SASS home page under "Affiliated clubs". If you select a club individually, it will list who the TG is for that club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackey Cole Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I do not belong to a club any longer as I've not been shooting that many monthlies none since EOT, so I think sass needs a nomad tg for those that do not have a club or a tg. As I have a dog in the classic fight I vote to leave it alone palewolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I do not belong to a club any longer as I've not been shooting that many monthlies none since EOT, so I think sass needs a nomad tg for those that do not have a club or a tg. As I have a dog in the classic fight I vote to leave it alone palewolf You don't need to be a CC to vote or state an opinion on CC. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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