Rootin Tootin Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Is there a short stroke kit for a Rossi 38/357??? If you know where I can get one drop me a pm....Thanks....RT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Buffalo Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 That would be something I might be interested in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 No, there is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I. M. Crossdraw, SASS# 8321 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Why there is no short stroke kits for Rossi rifles because they replicas of the Winchester M1892 that has 2 locking lugs v toggle links on the earlier Winchesters. They were the precursor to the Winchester 1894 designed to shoot smokeless powder factory ammunition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 The 'short-stroke' of the 1892 is the quicker first shot allowed by the smaller, lighter frame that also allows quicker movement going from target to target. For most cowboys, a tuned and SS'd 1873 is quicker on a dump target than a 1892, but combining a quicker first shot and most stages that do not have dump targets - there is no reason that a clean, smooth 1892 will not run ten shots in under six seconds for a cowboy who will push the gun and use good ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 The short stroke kits currently available are for the 66 and 73 guns. The 66 and 73 guns are big massive framed guns and they have lots of slack. The purpose of the short stroke kits is to remove that slack directing it toward the lever throw.The 92 actions are more compact, so they have less slack. They can be reduced some but it requires many hand made parts $$$$ for very little gain and when done are very ammo specific. When all is done you will have more money in it than you would a new SS 73. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 The 'short-stroke' of the 1892 is the quicker first shot allowed by the smaller, lighter frame that also allows quicker movement going from target to target. For most cowboys, a tuned and SS'd 1873 is quicker on a dump target than a 1892, but combining a quicker first shot and most stages that do not have dump targets - there is no reason that a clean, smooth 1892 will not run ten shots in under six seconds for a cowboy who will push the gun and use good ammo. 6 second, 10 shot rifle runs will not win a shooter too many matches. You have to be able to run 3-4 seconds (or less), to even stay close. Giving up those 2-3 seconds a stage is just too much over 6, 10 or 12 stages. I don't know anyone in the game that will willingly spot their competition 18-36 seconds in a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairshake Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 You could also just sit back and enjoy the sport of SASS for the thrill of being able to shoot guns and have fun. There is no man that can't be thrown or any horse that can't be rode. I shoot Frontier Cartridge with real Black full case loads and as far as I know, I've won in every match I shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 You could also just sit back and enjoy the sport of SASS for the thrill of being able to shoot guns and have fun. There is no man that can't be thrown or any horse that can't be rode. I shoot Frontier Cartridge with real Black full case loads and as far as I know, I've won in every match I shot. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 You could also just sit back and enjoy the sport of SASS for the thrill of being able to shoot guns and have fun. There is no man that can't be thrown or any horse that can't be rode. I shoot Frontier Cartridge with real Black full case loads and as far as I know, I've won in every match I shot. +100 and I do it with a very slicked up Rossi 92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan Disorderly Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 If you shoot B western you can't shoot a 66/73 and aren't competing against those that are, so SS or not isn't an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I don't think anyone is implying you have to win to enjoy SASS. Just you won't win with a Rossi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Lets go back to making a Rossi tuned up but not a short stroke rifle * Get your carbon stone & wire cutters out and follow Murderer's website procedures ... http://marauder.homestead.com/files/Rossitune.htm I did the 'Slik Up' on two Rossi 45 Colts and they are my go to's even though my other CAS Winchesters are in the safe And use Eezox for your lube/cleaner. I can work the finger lever using my little finger Does it improve speed? I ain't the fastest car on the track overall, but I average 5 - 7 seconds for a 10 shot Nevada Sweep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas John Ringo, SASS #10138 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 If you shoot B western you can't shoot a 66/73 and aren't competing against those that are, so SS or not isn't an issue. But YOU can have a short stroked Marlin'94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Rootin, you can smooth out the Rossi with tips from Marauder or Kiowa Nate Jones. There will a range for case OAL that will work best in your Rossi. This length may be slightly different from other Rossi's; you will have to experiment to see what works best with each bullet style/weight. Once you have the style, weight and OAL worked out, stay with that combination. You can then shoot SASS for the pure enjoyment or continue to smooth out your technique and ability to get into the 5-7 second range (ten on four). As others said above, this will not win state or regional matches shooting against 66/73 guns, but it can be very competitive at monthly matches or in B-Western. Many cowboys with lots of $$$ invested in 1873s slicked by the best of 'smiths do no better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Damn...I shoot a Jim Bowiematic...in the 2-3 sec range...and I always thought I was doing it for the pure enjoyment. hmmm...guess I'll have to figure out what I'm really doing it for...dang... edited to currect spellin arrors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Damn...I shoot a Jim Bowiematic...in the 2-3 sec range...and I always thought I was doing it for the pure enjoyment. hmmm...guess I'll have to figure out what I'm really doing it for...dang... edited to currect spellin arrors... Phantom: repeat after me......... "we are not having fun.....we are not having fun.....we are not having fun". "we only shoot fast to make ourselves miserable"! ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Phantom: repeat after me......... "we are not having fun.....we are not having fun.....we are not having fun". "we only shoot fast to make ourselves miserable"! ..........Widder Thanks Widderborg...I feel better now. Made me realize how miserable I was yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 You can then shoot SASS for the pure enjoyment or continue to smooth out your technique and ability to get into the 5-7 second range (ten on four). As others said above, this will not win state or regional matches shooting against 66/73 guns, but it can be very competitive at monthly matches or in B-Western. Many cowboys with lots of $$$ invested in 1873s slicked by the best of 'smiths do no better. Damn...I shoot a Jim Bowiematic...in the 2-3 sec range...and I always thought I was doing it for the pure enjoyment. hmmm...guess I'll have to figure out what I'm really doing it for...dang... edited to currect spellin arrors... Phantom: repeat after me......... "we are not having fun.....we are not having fun.....we are not having fun". "we only shoot fast to make ourselves miserable"! ..........Widder I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here. My take on Tom Bullweed's comment was that one can recognize and accept the limitations inherent in the design of the 1892, along with their personal limitations, and work to be the best they can be within those limitations. I have an NKJ '92. I owned a short stroked '73 briefly which I sold when I needed money. Why the '73? A few reasons, the '73 brought a better return, I like and am more comfortable with the '92, and I know that I have yet to reach the limits of which the '92 is capable, and may never reach the limits. Much like I can miss as many birds in Trap with my Browning BT-99 as I can with a Krieghoff K-80, I recognize where my limits are, and I find "pure enjoyment" in attempting to better myself as a shooter. This is not to say one cannot find "pure enjoyment" through striving to be at the top, competitively. I tip my hat to those of you who have the innate combination of hand-eye coordination, speed, focus, mental discipline, and all of the other things it takes to be competitive at the upper levels of the game. I acknowledge, respect, and even admire that ability. I don't believe anything in Tom Bullweed's statement was intended to suggest you are wrong in finding pure enjoyment in seeking speed and competitiveness. Nor did it suggest that I am wrong for not seeking those same things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I shoot a short stroked 1866 but I am not trying to shoot for speed, just for fun. That's my story and I will stick to it until I can get that blasted time down some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan Disorderly Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Why do we shoot / participate in this sport?Playing cowboys and indians? For ribbons? History buffs? Or 1000 other reasons I"m sure. Winning is fun for many reasons. No matter what I spend on guns I will not be the fastest gun in the west (or east or south or anywhere but my own home). Reason is I don't have the desire to put in the time and effort (aka practice) to get that fast. Just not gonna happen. Just as I will never be a rock star, porn star olympian or pro athlete. I've come to terms with these things. BUT I can have fun and own/shoot guns I LIKE. i had a toy 92 as a kid and loved that gun. so I wanted a 92. Period. I want to shoot b-western..for the fun of it. (the fact I'll probably get a blue ribbon at every match is a nice bonus ). I can also have fun shooting my pistols all sorts of ways should I want a challenge or handicap myself . Based on what the top shots do, say, 20 seconds, and my score of perhaps 40 seconds, the 3-4 seconds that could potentially be shaved with a SS are not where I'll find the most improvement. If I get to say, 25sec then the temptation to buy the last few seconds will be great. And remember, the longer you take to shoot the more time you've spent shooting, and isn't the best part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Damn...I shoot a Jim Bowiematic...in the 2-3 sec range...and I always thought I was doing it for the pure enjoyment. hmmm...guess I'll have to figure out what I'm really doing it for...dang... edited to currect spellin arrors... +1 Only I am in more of the 4 sec range. And all this time when I ran a super fast rifle run, and was smiling so much I could not shoot my shotgun. I thought I was having fun. Who knew I was not. WOW. How stupid do I feel now knowing that I was really not having fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pit Bull Tex Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I shoot a slick short stroked 73 and it is very very fast when some other cowboy is shooting it.I have more fun every time I get to shoot.If it is a bi-monthly or a yearly or a state.I shoot as fast as I can safely.If anyone does not have fun at this game they need a new game.Happy new year to all that have fun at this game and a big raspberry to those that don't have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Hacker, #60477 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I shoot for the fun of it, but I think it would be a lot more fun if I was shooting around 20 than trying to break 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I shoot for the fun of it, but I think it would be a lot more fun if I was shooting around 20 than trying to break 30. I think we all shoot for the fun of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 ...the longer you take to shoot the more time you've spent shooting, and isn't the best part? This is my reasoning... why rush? Besides the obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Tex Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 A slicked up Rossi can do the trick to get you competitve for sure. If you're handy with guns, get Nate Kiowa Jones video or try sending the gun to him if he has time. I got the video and the kit and I'll be honest, the difference was amazing. People have always said that you can't win shooting 45 Colt either, while I haven't taken first yet, I went from bottom of the competitor list to creeping into the top 10 and approaching the top 5...as I get better, I may be able to prove those folks wrong, but thats not why I do this. Like anyone else, I do have a great time and I am more liking to see how fast I can push myself and the gun(s) while staying accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 A slicked up Rossi can do the trick to get you competitve for sure. If you're handy with guns, get Nate Kiowa Jones video or try sending the gun to him if he has time. I got the video and the kit and I'll be honest, the difference was amazing. People have always said that you can't win shooting 45 Colt either, while I haven't taken first yet, I went from bottom of the competitor list to creeping into the top 10 and approaching the top 5...as I get better, I may be able to prove those folks wrong, but thats not why I do this. Like anyone else, I do have a great time and I am more liking to see how fast I can push myself and the gun(s) while staying accurate. Don't think folks believe you can't win with a 45LC...or a 44WCF...or a 38WCF. The only reason that folks don't win overalls with them is because they don't shoot them...cuz they are more expensive to shoot a lot. And one would have to be both VERY good and VERY lucky to win a large match shooting a 92. When I say large, I mean like a well attended State/Regional or higher. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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