Nate Kiowa Jones #6765

Unless the two piece firing pin is replaced with the one piece the Lever actuated trigger block is a secondary safety. The hammer can fall but the gun will not fire if the lever is even slightly down. The lever has to be fully up to lift the locking bolt in place behind the breech bolt. But, at the same time the locking bolt lifts the rear portion of the firing pin inline with the front part of the firing pin. Only then will it fire.

Big clue, the T-bolt retailed for about $450. All the others start at about $1000 That should tell you something right there.

The TTN part will work in the originals too. I still have many of the TTN parts.

Warden, you still need colt 1878 parts? BTW, that W. Richards is Belgian. Here's one I did awhile back,

Most any will work. Some better than others. The most challenging is removing stuck nipples. So, I built this one from a small 1/4" drive socket notched to fit and to be used with the 1/4" square drive to 1/4" hex adaptor into an impact driver. I have even used it on original CB guns with good success

Yep, had one of those Frankfort's too. Hung up way too much. So, when the Hornady came out I bought it. It works pretty good and the Dillon tubes fit it, too.

Thanks PWB Good to know. I always run on the assumption that it was still not allowed. Just to clarify, would this Titanium part need to be approved by SASS? The reason I ask. From SHB page 4 Just because a manufacturer designs a part or firearm for this sport or just because a firearm was available, does not necessarily mean it is legal for competition. Only the modifications referenced here as allowed are approved. All others are illegal.......................................................................................................................for SASS Cowboy Action Shooting™. Any firearm modification not referenced in this Handbook is prohibited. ​As written it would appear the material may be allowed but the actual part may not be allowed.

You are correct. I forgot about the marlin firing pins. Titanium hammers do work and much faster too.

So titanium hammers and firing pins would be allowed? Like I said, IIRC before the Firearms covenant there were rules barring such thinks.

From the Shooters handbook version 21.8k Page #3 "Any firearm modification not referenced in this Handbook is prohibited." Page #4 "Replacement parts may be made from materials other than the original unless such material is specifically prohibited." I don't have the time to chase down the specific rule but before there was the Firearms Covenant lightweight materials like Titanium and such was not allowed. I don't think that has changed . As for who, I would never mention a name without the persons permission. I agree. But, lighter parts would be a bandaid too.

Sorry, but lock time can be a factor. I know of at least one multi world champ that can out run the hammer fall of a revolver to a point that if the hammer fall is really slow he will actually be moving to the next target before detonation causing misses. To improve locktime you have two options. Lighter components like hammers and firing pins or SASS mandated standard weight parts and heavier springs.

Yep, I too am betting it's the bolt finger broke off or the cam on the hammer worn away. Would those be the older AWA Peacekeeper or Longhorn models. Those were all made with ASM early 1st gen style parts and were notorious for going out of time. The early bolt fingers were real pointy/sharp and the cams were soft so the cams wore away regularly. The new AWA's are much better. They are made with Pietta parts they all have pressed in hardened cams and 2nd/3rd gen bolts with a more rounded tip.

Prays for the Parson get well David,

That's not too big for a liner.

True that. Back in the early 90's when I first started working the Rossi it was because of this very issue, the 44-40's being the worst. Back then, 44-40 brass was hard to find. You had to buy new 44-40 ammo, as much as $35 to $40 a box and save the brass for reloading. The problem was the Rossi 92`s were so stiff and the 44-40 brass being thin walled, they would crush the case mouth destroying the brass. I had to figured out how to make them work without ruining the brass. The key is to refit the ejector so it will work with a lighter spring. The Rossi spring was so stiff it would crush the case mouth as the case was extracted. For the other cals it would launch the brass in to low orbit never to be seen again

If you aren't looking for extreme accuracy you might want to look at having your current barrel relined to 30-30. Less expensive for sure.

Something that is really important but not mentioned. The Stoeger single select triggers can be problematic. Their two trigger guns are adequate. But, many folks have had problems with the Stoeger single select triggers. They either fail to fire one side or the other or worse, they fire both barrels at the same time. If you are set on a single trigger SXS get the SKB.

Even Winchester couldn't seem to convert a 94 to 38/357m. The 44/45 Win 94's do OK but I have had several of the 38/357's here because they are jam-o-matics. Built too loose to work consistently. For those of you that have one that actually works consider yourself lucky.

The 20" octagon seems to be the most favored, for sure The 20" carbine or the 20" octagon rifle will load 11 in the tube. As for the revolvers, these two belonged to Lazarus Long shot before he passed. Lorelei brought these to me to sell for her. American Western Arms Ultimate SAA - 357 GA# 14305265 American Western Arms Ultimate SAA - 357 GA# 14305267

It just needs to be fitted. Think about this. You go to an auto parts store for a part expecting that part to bolt right one. But, the first thing they will ask you is what make, what model and what year. In the case of the Marlins which have been made since 1880's, much of that info is not available. So there will always be possibility it won’t drop right in. As a gunsmith the best you can hope for is a part that is too big. You can always whittle it down to fit.

Good choice for Duelist. The lowered hammer spurs make one-handed cocking much easier. you might consider thinning the grips some and add some checkering. The two in the middle here are my favs for dualist. The Bisly hammers, and checkered thunderer grips don't slip. What we are doing with these guns is racing and like racing cars there are things that are more important than slick or fast. The fastest car on the track doesn't win if it can't finish the race. The ruger lock works were designed in the 1950's. It is nothing like the colt style lock basically unchanged since 1836. Comparing Rugers to a colt SAA or Colt SAA clone is like comparing 60`s muscle cars to model T`s. Expecting to be competitive for the long haul with an out-of-the-box stock gun is not likely to happen. I've said this many times. You can take the family sedan to the track once or twice and run hell out of it, but if you do it on a regular basis, you gonna look up and see you crankshaft in the rear-view mirror. Race cars have to be tuned to race, so do guns that are raced.

On occasion I have to site in one of the 454's I've sold. It always reminds me of the saying some of the 50 cal guys use. "Marginally better behind it than in front of it " Hornady make some really accurate pistol bullets. I have shot the 45lc ammo and loaded some 357 and shot it. Good stuff.

No, and mass has little to do with the strength. It's the design. When it come to pressure the 92 is superior. It will handle 25% more pressure than the marlin 336/1895 and probably 30% more than the 1894. Bottom line is you will never see a Marlin chambered in 454 casull. At least not for long. True that. The 1885 was JMB's first design sold to Win. Browning had been making that gun since 1875. (I got to handle an original JMB 1875. ) In it's modern configuration, as in the Browning 1885, it can be had in 300 Win mag!!!! Where do you get this info? Browning had already developed the twin locking bolts in the 86's. The 1883 Marlin didn't even have a locking bolt. The tip of the finger lever is all that held the breech bolt in place. That's why it died off coming into the Smokeless era.

Let’s talk traditional levergun pressures. Top end for a 30-30 is at about 40,000 PSI. The 44mag top end loads see about 40 to 45,000 psi. For the other pistol cal leverguns that’s the top end limit. But Rossi chambers their 92’s in 454 Casull. The Casull ammo can see upwards of 60,000. That's 308 and 30-06 pressures. Not even Marlins 336/95 action will handle those pressures. The Rossi 92 actions are doing fine at those levels. The reason the 92 will handle this pressure is because of two things inherent in it's design. First is the twin locking bolts. The other leverguns like the marlins and the 94 win have single locking bolts that come up behind the breech bolt and are turned flat with the thin side toward the breech bolt. Under load it flexes much like a 2x4 used as a pry bar does when you use the flat wide side down. The 92 has two locking bolts turned to the narrow side so the wide portion doesn't flex. Next is the angle of engagement of the two. The single locking bolt gun has to have the locking bolt laid back at a much more severe angle in relationship to the breech bolt. If it were more perpendicular the action would seize up when fired. So, once the pressured reach the 50,000 point or so, the action tries to fly open. The 92 on the other hand with its twin locking bolts which disburses the pressure over more area, are positioned more toward the perpendicular which helps to prevent the action from trying to fly open. On a side note, Freedom Arms, the folks that deleloped the 454 casull did some testing using a Marlin 336/95 style action chambered in 454 Casull. After a few rounds it actually pushed the breech bolt over the locking bolt out the top of the receiver. They probably had the lever tied so it wouldn't fly open. The Winchester 86 is a strong action too, but I think the 92 is stronger because it has a frame web just behind and below the locking bolts that ties the two side of the receiver together. The 86 doesn't have that web. This is my 24" octagon converted from 45lc to 454 Casull. I built this one because the round barrel carbines are just too light. The gun will do 2 MOA at 200 yds. But, I can't. I have a friend that has good eyes and a tree stump shoulder that can do it with full power Casull ammo. For me that just too punishing. I have it sighted in at 75 yds with Buffalo bore's +P 45lc's

About 20 years ago CAI offered sporterized 6.5 Swedish Mauser's. Most were either Carl Gustav or Husqvarna. They came on a ADL type synthetic stock and were D&T-ed for scope rings and had a cheap 3x9 scope on them. All for under $200 each. So, I ordered 6 or 8 of them. I knew I was going to keep one for myself so I took them all to the range with some cheap PMC ammo and shot them all for groups. Most where 3 to 4 MOA but of those guns there was a Gustav that even with the cheap ammo cheap scope and the original 2 stage trigger consistently shot 1 MOA or less. Guess which one I still have. Point is you gotta shoot it to know whatcha got.