Blastmaster Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 On the Wire, practically this week, we have talked about Target Size & Distance, Target Shapes and Scenerios and sweeps possible being to touch. All good topics. Todays topic is,,,, who or should I say, what percentage of the shooters actually reads the stage description in THEIR SHOOTER HANDBOOK,, before it is read to them by the PM at the stage, when provided to them, and obviously at annual and above matches? Yer on your own at monthlys. I don't want to hear about all the poor written stage descriptions, yes there are bad ones out there but likewise, a whole bunch of excellent written stage descriptions too. I just want to know what percentage (guesstimate) actually reads and trys to understand the written stage description pre match. Just perhaps, if majority of people did read and try to understand the stage before match day, then those "different" sweeps mentioned on the other thread wouldn't be such brain teaser or P traps. Thanks, Blastmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I read the book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I read it at least half a dozen times. That's where I start working on my strategy for shooting the stage; movement, transitions, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I read it, always. MT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oklahomabound Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 We read them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.T Chambers, SASS#76185 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I read it at least half a dozen times. That's where I start working on my strategy for shooting the stage; movement, transitions, etc. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rance - SASS # 54090 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I'll read the stages I'm gonna be shootin the next day.. that night I'll read the stages for the next day... Mainly to see if there's any quirky stages to think about.. I might make a mental note so when the stage comes up.. I tell myself.. Ok.. it's this one.. I don't try to get them engrained into my ol' brain.. Why? I've seen many times on the day of shootin' the stage has been change.. for some reason or another... I don't have a problem with it because it ain't branded into my ol' brain anyhow I seem to have just as good as luck understanding the stage when it's read by the RO on the stage.. Rance Just the way I do it Oh yeah.. original question.. I guess I do read the book.. at least part of it.. Always read the match and range rules.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 All of the good shooters read the book. Since they think it is a good idea, I read it too. Drifter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Shapiro Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I read the stuff up front before the match. For the stages, just when we get to the stage in question. Too many times I've found that something was changed from what was in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Matt McCord, SASS #24683 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Absolutely yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Most everyone I know reads the book for major shoots and a whole lot study the heck out of the stages they will be shooting the night before. Many also download monthly club stages, for the many that provide them and print and read/study them also. This is a competition and whatever gives a shooter an edge is fair and legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Coroner Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Most everyone I know reads the book for major shoots and a whole lot study the heck out of the stages they will be shooting the night before. Many also download monthly club stages, for the many that provide them and print and read/study them also. This is a competition and whatever gives a shooter an edge is fair and legal. +1, yep,that is me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nada Chance, SASS #29547 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I not only read them, I take them back to the club and use the stages in our monthly matches. Exposes the members to others types of stages and presentations so they are less surprised when get the chance to shot at other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I take registration packet back to the motel/B&B and read from cover to cover. Don't memorize the stage instructions for two reasons. 1) May be last minute improvements causing me to try and forget what I had memorized. 2) My long term memory ain't that good no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Ray Hality, SASS# 37355 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I do read them. Sometimes. I have found that sometimes the stages as written are not correct when covered at the time to start shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I take the shooters book and depending on the match, either read it or study it. A loosey goosey match - I will just read it to see what kinds of things they have in mind. A quality match, say Winter Range, I can be pretty well assured what is in the book is what we are going to shoot. That shooters book; I will study, disect and make notes. (my shooters books are a mess of unreadable scribbles and various arrows denoting movements by the time a match is over) I will choreograph my movements, transitions, long gun staging and breakdown any sweep sequences that might be problematic. I will also sit down with my friends who are shooting and invite their input and ideas on attacking the stages as well. At the hotels breakfast table over bowls of Froot Loops and "Make it yourself" waffles, we will again discuss that days stages. Does it help? Who knows, but I always feel more prepared when I have put in the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I read it GG ~ :FlagAm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Two Feathers, SASS #58400 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I'll read it before the stage. Mostly to see if there is a better way to move, transition, stage guns than what I first thought. Then I ask the berm marshalls if what I'm thinking is legal. Yep, I have been accused of gaming it, but I gotta take every advantage I can get to try and stay out of last place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crosscut Jack, SASS #67759 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 We read them as soon as we get them. We also refer to them prior to shooting each stage. Withm major hearing loss it sometimes dificult for me to hear the stages and directions. Crosscut Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Hi Blastmaster, I always do at annual matches. I'm a jittery person and fluster easily at these events. So, I want to have some idea what to expect and what I might be confused about. That way, if it is not covered in the walkthrough, I have my question ready and don't hold things up. At monthlies, I never read them. Regards, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Since I can't read, I always search out someone who can and have them read them too me. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Nelson #19958 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Absolutely! I read it, make notes for clarification and get an "overview" before studying the actual stages of the next day. AND I would PREFER to get a good idea of the stages shot last time at such and such match PRIOR to signing up and traveling to a match I haven't been to before. For me there has to be a LOT of good reports in order to get my interest and look at taking the time and expense of going. But at annual matches the moment they say "there are some changes to the shooters book" then obviously I don't spend too much time on it. Too many changes and the likelihood of my return diminishes proportionately. Doc Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I read it at least half a dozen times. That's where I start working on my strategy for shooting the stage; movement, transitions excuses for when I screw it up, etc. Sorry, Philly, I chose not to resist. Grizz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Filly Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Yes I read it! Painted Filly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Sorry, Philly, I chose not to resist. Grizz You are truely a wise ass........................uhhh..................man............a wise MAN. Yeah, that's what I meant to say. (I'd have disappointed if you resisted. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Mingo Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Heee Haaa .. Is that what your suppose ta do with that book.. Heee Haaa Crazy(who has used his ta light the campfire)Mingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio Brazos Kid Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 One Club I shoot at puts them on the internet and distributes them to the members. This is a great idea, and lets you study the scenario well ahead of time. Gives you time to read and understand the more complicated sweeps, and figure a way to not become confused while shooting them. I always print them out, study them, and carry them with me to the match. RBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird, SASS #22893 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Always read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twelve mile REB Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Its good to know were you're going even if the map doesn't show all the cruves. Yes, I read it. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastmaster Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 Great!!! Everyone so far that has posted gets an A++++++... Now, ya think the person to the left and the person to the right and the person behind ya have read the shooters book as well as all you when it is read during the stage reading. Perhaps a good percentile has,,,, but then maybe not..... Why you ask? Well, if they had studied the scenerios as well as all that has posted, then the percentile of P's from a different type of sweep wouldn't be so high. Just a therory...... and,,,,,, just saying. Blastmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Muerto Negro Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I read it. But don't get to crazy with it. It's been my experience that the book gives you an idea of the lay out but,after I see the stages I tend to change things. El Muerto Negro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Yep. Read it. Walk the stages, with book in hand and look them over. Many times will talk with other Duelist that I respect about how we might shoot it. But even doing all that. I try not to OVER think it. Just get the general idea, then move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I don't read the stage description before hand. Most I'll do is check the round count before I fill the loading strip for the stage and maybe see if we end with the shotgun so I can use plastic hulls and save the brass hulls for when I need the hulls to fall freely. Very occasionally I'll peek at it real quick if the walk through instructions are unclear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Yep. Read it. Walk the stages, with book in hand and look them over. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el Gato Gordo - SASS #15162 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 We do. Curiosity always gets the best of us! Salud, amigo! eGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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