Sleepy Floyd Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Just received an answer to a TrailBoss question I sent to Higdon. Tfme frame for trailboss in beginning of 2023. Sleepy Floyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rider Rudy Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Major Crimes said: Fingers crossed. Me also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Huzzah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Maybe, but I would feel better about it if the factory in Australia was making that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 I wonder if I’m the only SASS shooter that has never loaded a round with Trail Boss? Sure it works. But to me it seems expensive. Back when powder was a available it was more or less same price for a 9oz jug as a pound of Bullseye/Unique/Red Dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 And I had to clean guns after every match. With Clays, once mid season. For about half the cost. Used 2 of those basically half pound bottles when I started. Went to Clays & Clay-Dot and never looked back. Ellie's 38s could go all season without cleaning with Clays. TB, not so much. JMHO Definitely prefer Wheaties over Cheerios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 48 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said: Definitely prefer Wheaties over Cheerios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savvy Jack Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 So some folks don't like it....who cares....move along! I'll be glad to see it return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Spade Mikey Wilson Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 To each his own. I've used it continually since the first time I tried it about 7 years ago. I just opened my last 5# jug so I should be good for some time. I've heard the 9oz vs, 16oz pricing comparison before. I don't think it is a big deal at all. In this sport a couple dollar difference in the price for a container of powder is nothing compared to the cost of this sport with other necessities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 4 hours ago, Springfield Slim SASS #24733 said: Maybe, but I would feel better about it if the factory in Australia was making that statement. This is the last official statement from ADI, dated Dec 2021. Trail Boss – This propellant is unlikely to be released in 2022 as there continues to be an active research and development project associated with its manufacturing optimisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 About six months back, I picked up nine unopened 9 oz cans for $5 each, and an unopened 5 pounder for $40 at an estate sale, so I started using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 16 hours ago, Three Foot Johnson said: About six months back, I picked up nine unopened 9 oz cans for $5 each, and an unopened 5 pounder for $40 at an estate sale, so I started using it. Winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Nelson #11784 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I'll believe it when I see it on the market. We have heard nothing as positive or definite Down Under AFAIK. As to its usefulness, I did use it in WB ammo (never CAS) BUT its real place in MY loading line up is for loading old military cartridges...in my case 8 x 56 Rimmed (1895 Steyr) You can load ANYTHING of that type with it, with full confidence that while the velocities may be low (1200-1400) you are NOT going to hurt those old guns...(or yourself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I run Ringer bullets in 357 and 44 mag calibers, all soft cast to BHN=9. Trail Boss has matching 11,581 +/- PSI loads for 44 Russian, 44 SP, 38 SC, 38 SP and 357 Mag. I was fortunate (blind luck) to come across two 2# jugs in 2019 before it went out of production. N32C Tin Star (VV) is the next down for a high VMD, but this powder is also scarce. In 38SP, 700-X, Clays, Nitro 100NF, Clean Shot and Titegroup are less expensive per load than Trail Boss. Primers are 10x more expensive per charge, than are any of these powders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Something about artillery shells here in Aus that each takes 18kg [ approx 40lb ] & TB is being used as the propellant..hence nothing on the shelves for the shooter..can't verify the story but it is out there in a big way. Maybe someone else may have some more input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Regulator Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 On 5/19/2022 at 12:39 PM, Hoss said: I wonder if I’m the only SASS shooter that has never loaded a round with Trail Boss? Sure it works. But to me it seems expensive. Back when powder was a available it was more or less same price for a 9oz jug as a pound of Bullseye/Unique/Red Dot Seems like this "are people stupid?" view comes up every time Trailboss is mentioned. That powder is everything I need for 45 Colt, Cowboy Action loads, and I hope to continue using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 41 minutes ago, Roscoe Regulator said: Seems like this "are people stupid?" view comes up every time Trailboss is mentioned. That powder is everything I need for 45 Colt, Cowboy Action loads, and I hope to continue using it. No offense intended. Certainly did not call you stupid. If TB works for you and you like it, by all means use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 There are MANY other powders that will work for this GAME at a lower cost and are more available SO, that could be why the "are people stupid" view may come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Trail Boss is a bulky powder that fills more of a pistol case than other powder which is why some people like it over other powders. Because it is bulky it takes up more room in a traditional one-pound plastic powder container, thus the less than one pound in the container. When it first came out some tried to download it like they did other powders but that resulted in inconstant loads, so again some did not like those results and voiced their dislike for the powder. I have not used it for Cowboy loads but have used it for loading rounds for old military revolvers and rifles to great success, just have to adjust my rifle sights accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderRiverCowboy Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 I see the "woke "crowd has Made it to SASS , Offended by You dont like my powder really come on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Catorce Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Trail boss was highly recommended to me when i first started reloading. I think mostly because it would have been extra obvious when you double charge a 38 by mistake. I was then recommended Clays by Hodgdon. After a little load adjusting, I did not see / feel / hear a difference between. Clays and TB. what I did notice was that Clays was lower priced… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Regulator Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 The topic started as whether Trailboss would be available and when. There have been a number of other threads about whether it is cost effective or a good powder choice. Those who use the powder or would like to are the most likely to make relevant comments here. The problem I have with Trailboss issues is that there is nothing really comparable in attributes. There are certainly other choices in the absence of Trailboss, but are not the topic here. For me, that would be Clays, which has its own availability issues. I could use Clays in my shotgun loads also, if I can't get Extralite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Trail Boss... What do I use it for? .32 S&W .32 S&W Long .32 Nagant .32-20 .38 Short Colt .38 S&W .38 Long Colt .38 Special .357 Magnum .44 Special .44 Magnum .44-40 .45 Colt .45 ACP 56-50 Spencer .30-30 .30-40 .303 British 7mm Mauser 8mm Mauser .30-'06 (for bolt action rifles only) .32 Winchester Special .45-70 It's a pretty useful powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Badly Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 I use it for .357 because it fills the case better so it's easier to verify the powder drop. Due to it's lack of availability I have purchased other powders which are available to take it's place. I will start loading them soon and will not go back as TB availability was sketchy in 2019 when I started and involved hazmat and shipping charges to aquire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savvy Jack Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Did I do this correct? Other than old prices. I still missed something somewhere. Based on 44-40 loads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 OK! back on topic Trail Boss will NOT be available till 2023 maybe 2024 if ever. Hang up your irons all you TB only users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Savvy Jack said: Did I do this correct? Other than old prices. I still missed something somewhere. Based on 44-40 loads So what you're saying is that Trail Boss is not the cheapest or most expensive powder per 50 rounds, all else being equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savvy Jack Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, Tex Jones, SASS 2263 said: So what you're saying is that Trail Boss is not the cheapest or most expensive powder per 50 rounds, all else being equal. am still not quit sure what I was trying to say cept it looks like black powder loads yield the most expensive handloads and Bullseye the cheapest? My brain still hurts. I think is is obvious that "bulk" powder loads cost more to shoot compared to "light" powder loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Savvy Jack said: Did I do this correct? Other than old prices. I still missed something somewhere. Based on 44-40 loads Some are more efficient than others not a good way to figure out costs. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Nelson #11784 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 On 5/22/2022 at 9:57 AM, Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 said: Something about artillery shells here in Aus that each takes 18kg [ approx 40lb ] & TB is being used as the propellant..hence nothing on the shelves for the shooter..can't verify the story but it is out there in a big way. Maybe someone else may have some more input. Unlikely...BUT perhaps one or more CONSTITUENTS of TB is also used for artillery propellant????...which would have the same effect. I visited the old St Marys munitions factory many years ago as a young Midshipman on a visit from the Naval College (My Uncle was QC manager for Army ammunition at the time so I got the VIP treatment lol) and the artillery propellant looked a lot like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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