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  1. I do not know the correct name for the rounded, curved, button primers. I was hoping someone could educate me. Here are a few photos. Curved primer, should be pre-1970's rounded style No.111 Stamp Code LE52 should equate to 25 May 1976
  2. I was looking at the WINCHESTER LITTLE BIG HORN CENTENNIAL 1876-1976 44-40 AMMO and it brought some questions. I noticed all of the boxes I could find on the net were coded LE which would be May 1976....of course right? Well, I also noticed a few that had flat primers rather than the rounded primers (for the lack of knowing the correct name for the rounded primers). So far the only days of production I can find are the 19th, 23rd and 25th. I also noticed that the hand-loading components "White Box" with the red W were produced from 1974 to 1977. Any idea if this was the transition from one primer design to the other?
  3. Oh well in that case, I retract my advice!!!!!!!
  4. You may already have but I'd call him out on the forum and spread his name.
  5. If I recall correctly I purchased my Marlin 1894CB 44-40, Marlin 1894C 357, Winchester 1887, and Uberti Winchester 73' from folks on this forum. All were like new and I would trust these guys more than I would a store. I purchased two Uberti Cattleman 357's and knew I had to work on them before I left the store. I ended up replacing the hammers on both due to timing issues. At the time I lived in south Georgia. Sounds like a day trip to Alexandria would be your best bet. Down in Valdosta Georgia we had a Gander Mountain. I would go there often to just look at guns but their prices were out of this world. Many times you can pay FFL on both ends of shipping and still get nice guns from these SASS guys. They have a reputation to keep.
  6. If you know what you want, you may be better off buying one from a cowpoke ranch hand off this forum. That is what I did. I live in Hickory and don't recall seeing any around here. Don't think I have purchased anything from a gun story in 12 or 13 years.
  7. That's right, there were only two true revolvers that those two different cartridges fit, The 45 Colt and the 45 Schofield. It would appear that by 1909 when the military was using the Colt M1909 double action, that the ammunition was reverted back to the standard military loading, longer case 45 Colt cartridge...but had a wider rim.
  8. Another interesting, something to think about is that the Model 1909 ammunition used by the military was normal Colt length using RSQ smokeless powder packed in Military boxes.
  9. Oh, the M1873 and Schofield revolvers were long superseded by the Model 1909 when this particular 1920's ammo was manufactured, thus the shorter cartridge was still being used by the Military well into the 1920's?
  10. No, there were short and long cartridges this 45 "short" Colts and 45 "long" Colt...LOL no, no, no, I agree with you 100% "45 Colt", and no other!!!
  11. I know you guys have seen this article: https://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/45_short_colt.htm I read Jim's article about the 45 Colt Government ammo ever so often to try and keep it fresh in my brain. This last time I read it I decided to try an maybe get a close date for the deteriorated ammo box. Jim please chime in if you know the date!!!!Here is the box Jim stated they were filled with black powder and that coincides with Winchester's "Green" top label. Winchester labels black powder loads with green labels. Not sure when Winchester ceases manufacture of black powder loads but it was somewhere between early 1920's and 1928ish.The top appears to be of the type that fully encases the box, evident of the "1920" box used between 1920-1927The K-code, whats left of it, can be seen on the bottom of the right flap. It could be K4545T. Winchester switched to the K-code system in 1920.The "label" on those "two-piece" boxes...as you can partially see, covers the top, wraps around the ends and lapped over the bottom, sealing the box. Again, part of the "1920" design.The "RED W" on the end label started in 1906 and was common, overprinting the cartridge cut, between 1906-1915/WWI era. After about 1915-1920, the cartridge cut was removed and the red "W" was overprinted by cartridge name call-outs as is seen in the 45 Colt Government photo.Still an interesting piece for more than just the long Colt short Colt argument!My guess is that the date of manufacture of this box would be between 1921 and 1925.Jim also states that Kieth made a statement in "Sixguns", page 285, about Remington...not Winchester!There were other shorter 45 Colt cartridge manufactures...at least three in total Winchester 45 short Colt cartridge. (notice I said short, not Short!!!)Guy Hildebrand, a.k.a. Oldammoguy shows photos of all three. https://www.oldammo.com/march08.htmHeadstamps1. Jim's "WRA Co. 45 Colt" (Black Powder)2. "REM-UMC 45 Colt" (Smokeless Powder) mentioned by Elmer Kieth in his book "Sixguns".3. "Peters 45 C. Govt" (Black Powder)I honestly think this is were the tern 45 long Colt comes from. (notice I said long not Long??)....later than we think, probably in the 1920's...right in the midst of Elmer Kieth's 20 year old youth days. Here are some photos from my Winchester "World's Standard Guns and Ammunition" catalog 83 dated 1925. Winchester's 1938 catalog, the next in line that I have, does not offer information for this cartridge. We all know this 45 Colt Government cartridge was for the 45 S&W but fits the 45 Colt SAA. Wait for it...........there is not such thing as a 45 Long Colt or 45 Short Colt but here is the proof there was a 45 long Colt and a 45 short Colt (see what I did there?)
  12. A comfortable load would be primers, no powder and a wax bullet!
  13. Don't be too hard on me. This is a work in progress and I will edit, change, add to etc as often as I can. The Version/Patch is nothing more than the date. I will also be adding "credits" where I can remember. 5-14-2020 Version 5.20 Patch 14 There is no such animal but it helps me keep track,,,,this is not easy, I am drained! I wont be making any followup posts. If you are interested, visit the link below and read down the page to the Version/Patch download link. Cheers!! LINK
  14. On a side note, back around 1909, the US Government's loading machines kept dropping an occasional "double charge" of Bullseye in their M1909 45 Colt loads. Most of the time they would blow the gun with the first shot. DuPont came up with a replacement powder called RSQ. One could fire six consecutive double charged 38 caliber loads before it got ugly. Being "rescued" by DuPont, Major K. K. V. Casey requested it be called "RSQ"......Resque! The powder was dropped two years later with the Model 1911.
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