evil dogooder Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 Simple question. Has anyone every seen a mag tube dented at a match to the point where there shooter could not continue?
Tequila Shooter Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, evil dogooder said: Simple question. Has anyone every seen a mag tube dented at a match to the point where there shooter could not continue? I haven’t but PWB has a pinned post that black carbon fiber mag tubes are approved along with knurled mag tube caps.
McCandless Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 Just now, Tequila Shooter said: I haven’t but PWB has a pinned post that black carbon fiber mag tubes are approved along with knurled mag tube caps. That's what he's getting at. 10 minutes ago, evil dogooder said: Simple question. Has anyone every seen a mag tube dented at a match to the point where there shooter could not continue? Yes.
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tequila Shooter said: I haven’t but PWB has a pinned post that black carbon fiber mag tubes are approved along with knurled mag tube caps. A solution in search of a problem.
Matthew Duncan Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 42 minutes ago, evil dogooder said: Simple question. Has anyone every seen a mag tube dented at a match to the point where there shooter could not continue? No.
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 No. But I HAVE seen several Uberti's with so much rust in the steel mag tube that the shooter could not continue the match because rounds would hang up in the tube. I believe that carbon-fiber tube mod was designed to solve both potential problems. Good luck, GJ
Tequila Shooter Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 Along the theme, has anyone seen a vendor selling either one of those items?
Patagonia Pete Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 OK .. where do you get one of these?? I have seen/found the tube liners ... in alum and cf ... for the 38s ... but not an actual tube replacement. Where's the beef tubes??
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: No. But I HAVE seen several Uberti's with so much rust in the steel mag tube that the shooter could not continue the match because rounds would hang up in the tube. I believe that carbon-fiber tube mod was designed to solve both potential problems. Good luck, GJ A stainless steel magazine tube will do the same, and be more correct in appearance. OLG
Flyin Shootest Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 I’m laying out up front, I don’t much care for the appearance of the carbon fiber magazine tube, to that end I have been pondering 2 lines of thought. 1. Can the carbon fiber mag tube be manufactured in such a way as to be unable to pick out the carbon fiber tube over a factory tube with casual observation? If so, what difference will it make? 2. Having been the T/O when a shooter experienced a magazine chain fire, seeing the repercussions first-hand, how will a carbon fiber magazine tube fair and from a safety perspective, I’m not sure I’d want to be the insurance underwriter, and I’d want to see some safety data before I put one on my rifles. F.S.
Ozark Shark Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Patagonia Pete said: OK .. where do you get one of these?? I have seen/found the tube liners ... in alum and cf ... for the 38s ... but not an actual tube replacement. Where's the beef tubes?? I have cf sleeves in my .357s. Definitely improved round feed.
Ozark Shark Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Flyin Shootest said: I’m laying out up front, I don’t much care for the appearance of the carbon fiber magazine tube, to that end I have been pondering 2 lines of thought. 1. Can the carbon fiber mag tube be manufactured in such a way as to be unable to pick out the carbon fiber tube over a factory tube with casual observation? If so, what difference will it make? 2. Having been the T/O when a shooter experienced a magazine chain fire, seeing the repercussions first-hand, how will a carbon fiber magazine tube fair and from a safety perspective, I’m not sure I’d want to be the insurance underwriter, and I’d want to see some safety data before I put one on my rifles. F.S. Your concern in number 2 is valid. Anyone who has ever seen the cf shrapnel from a Formula 1 or IMSA car crash knows those shards are sharp enough to cut tires.
Cypress Sun Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 I have never witnessed a rifle mag tube getting dented or bent. I have seen a '97 mag tube get slightly dented. Simple matter really....if you don't want your firearms damaged, quit throwing them around like a damn bowling ball.
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 PLUS ONE for Cypress Sun you betcha.
Yul Lose Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 I’ve seen it once. The user dropped the rifle hard on the prop bench and the mag tube hit the wood on the front of the table so hard it dented and wouldn’t allow the follower to pass. I saw a mag tube on a 1897 shotgun get hit with an accidental discharge at the unload table.
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 Haven't seen a mag tube get dented at a match, but I've heard of several Ubertis years ago that had dents in the tube directly from the factory. Dent was under the forearm and not obvious, but made loading a problem.
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 So ONE guy comes up with something that looks no wise cowboy is enough to change the rules? What's next carbon fiber forearms and buttstocks, dayglow sights? Sheez.
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 Why didn't the ROC use some common sense and just tell the guy to buy a new tube?
Captain Clark Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: Why didn't the ROC use some common sense and just tell the guy to buy a new tube? Bingo!!!!
Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Flyin Shootest said: I’m laying out up front, I don’t much care for the appearance of the carbon fiber magazine tube, to that end I have been pondering 2 lines of thought. 1. Can the carbon fiber mag tube be manufactured in such a way as to be unable to pick out the carbon fiber tube over a factory tube with casual observation? If so, what difference will it make? 2. Having been the T/O when a shooter experienced a magazine chain fire, seeing the repercussions first-hand, how will a carbon fiber magazine tube fair and from a safety perspective, I’m not sure I’d want to be the insurance underwriter, and I’d want to see some safety data before I put one on my rifles. F.S. I have work with carbon fiber and I would trust it as my mag tube over steel!
Tequila Shooter Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 I like the idea of the easy off tube plug, if it matches the color of the tube or is brass. I don’t think carbon fiber was around in the Old West.
DeaconKC Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 A coat of black paint will hide the appearance of the tube.
Flyin Shootest Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 said: I have work with carbon fiber and I would trust it as my mag tube over steel! It's not so much the strength, as I am fully aware that carbon fiber can be stronger than steel. The real concern is the the dynamics of how the energy from more than one round going off in the magazine is dissipated. If the energy can't blow the tube up as has been my experience with a steel tube, will the energy be forced to preferably blow the plug out and shoot all the shrapnel down range, or not so preferable back at the shooter? Reality is, I REALLY don't want to be anywhere close to a chain fire ever again no mater what the magazine is made of. Reading PWB postes on other threads this was a one-off approval, so most likely we won't be seeing them in general use, so the discussion has become an academic one. F.S.
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