Supposedly: "“female Armenian guerrilla fighters, 1895.”

[Subdeacon Joe]

[Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L]

About 4 - 1/2 foot tall?

[Sedalia Dave]

She could darn near hide behind that revolver.

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

3 hours ago, Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L said:

About 4 - 1/2 foot tall?

Believable

[Charlie Harley, #14153]

Would not want to make either mad at me. 

[Pat Riot]

They appear to have enough ammo to settle any fracas they might get into. 
 

I can’t tell for sure but it almost look like that's a top break revolver that’s not fully latched. What kind of revolver is that? Anyone know?

[Subdeacon Joe]

26 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

What kind of revolver is that? Anyone know?

 

I'm hoping that someone knows.  My guess is a Webly Mk. 4 Navy but I'm likely wrong.

[Noz]

I have a theory about the breed of the rifle but do  not wish to announce it cause I'd probably be wrong.  Let's let ALPO ask them for their rank and ID card.

[Cat Brules]

Well,

first, I don’t think those two darlings have much ammo showing at all.

second, the rifle looks like an old German Mannlicher Model 1895

Pistol?  Unsure, no comment.

 

Cat Brules

[Alpo]

The one with the stripes I might believe.

 

The one with the curly hair - she doesn't look like she has ever touched a rifle before in her life.

 

I understand "posed picture", but I've seen dead outlaws in 1880s American West photographs holding their gun better.

[Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619]

They do have that Armenian look, though....

[Pat Riot]

Those things that look like bandoliers appear to have a cover or flap covering their cartridges. Those little decorations along the bottoms of the bandoliers look like bullets poking out of cartridges. 

[J-BAR #18287]

Lorena Bobbit’s ancestors?

 

[Abilene Slim SASS 81783]

55 minutes ago, J-BAR #18287 said:

Lorena Bobbit’s ancestors?

 

The one on the right has the hilt of a good-size cutter showing on her left hip. 
 

[Arkansas Jim 107095]

The one on the left also has one on her left hip. 

[Major Crimes]

8 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

I'm hoping that someone knows.  My guess is a Webly Mk. 4 Navy but I'm likely wrong.

 

It doesn't seem to have that obvious step down or flat just behind the hammer from the frame to the grip a Webley has? may be the angle?

 

 

[Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062]

would the one on the left be closely related to Gomez Addams ?

 

 

[Major Crimes]

[Fence Cutter]

2 hours ago, Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 said:

would the one on the left be closely related to Gomez Addams ?

 

I was thinking Tiny Tim.

 

 

[Pat Riot]

Here is a little more info on these ladies. 
 

https://thefemalesoldier.com/blog/armenian-guerrillas

I believe that revolver is a Nagant

1 hour ago, Major Crimes said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895

[Subdeacon Joe]

4 hours ago, Major Crimes said:

 

It doesn't seem to have that obvious step down or flat just behind the hammer from the frame to the grip a Webley has? may be the angle?

 

 

 

 

Good catch.  When I went back it looks like I should have said Mk. IV, and that too would have been incorrect.  

It doesn't have that step, but it also doesn't have the squared off butt.  Plus the cylinder seems to be too long.

 

[Subdeacon Joe]

1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

Here is a little more info on these ladies. 
 

https://thefemalesoldier.com/blog/armenian-guerrillas

I believe that revolver is a Nagant

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895

 

Pat, what Major Crimes pointed out also holds true for the Nagant.  No flat step right behind the hammer.

But thanks for the information on the ladies.

[Rye Miles #13621]

17 hours ago, Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L said:

About 4 - 1/2 foot tall?

Billy the Kid was reportedly only 5'4", Wyatt Earp was a giant at 6". People were much shorter on average back then. I'll bet there about 5' 

 

 

[Sedalia Dave]

Interesting 

 

 

[Tom Bullweed]

The Swiss and French had a number of military revolvers in the 1875-1900 period that resemble this revolver.  Most were in 11mm short case cargridge.

This looks like a studio gun since neither lady has a holster or visible ammo.

[Utah Bob #35998]

[Utah Bob #35998]

I think the rifles are Swedish m1896

[Joke 'um]

The rifles were probably taken from dead Turks.  Turkey (the Ottoman empire) was engaged in a decades long attempt to exterminate the Armenians.  

The Germans and Ottomans were allies in WWI.  At one point a German army faced off against the Ottomans.  The Turks were, as usual, trying to wipe out the Armenians.  The Germans, needing the region's oil, were protecting the Armenians.  The British had advisors with the Armenians.  Strangely, this put the Brits and Germans on the same side in a small part of WWI.

[Alpo]

Notice the bandolier in Bob's picture. The cartridge heads are covered with a flap that snaps down. The bullet noses are exposed underneath the bottom of the bandolier.

 

That way when you need to reload you just pull up one of the snap flaps to get access to the ammunition.

 

The two ladies appear to be wearing similar bandoliers, but they have them on backwards. The snapped flap is in against their body. That, I believe, would make it quite difficult to access the spare ammunition.

 

This is another thing that makes me think "posed picture", not "actual guerillas".

[Utah Bob #35998]

9 minutes ago, Alpo said:

Notice the bandolier in Bob's picture. The cartridge heads are covered with a flap that snaps down. The bullet noses are exposed underneath the bottom of the bandolier.

 

That way when you need to reload you just pull up one of the snap flaps to get access to the ammunition.

 

The two ladies appear to be wearing similar bandoliers, but they have them on backwards. The snapped flap is in against their body. That, I believe, would make it quite difficult to access the spare ammunition.

 

This is another thing that makes me think "posed picture", not "actual guerillas".

She also appears to have a pistol holster.

[Subdeacon Joe]

1 hour ago, Alpo said:

The snapped flap is in against their body. That, I believe, would make it quite difficult to access the spare ammunition.

 

Or it could prevent it from hanging up on brush or rocks.

[Steel-eye Steve SASS #40674]

My guess would be a Gasser style revolver: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasser_M1870

[Cat Brules]

Yes, the revolver looks so much like several revolvers of the “period,” that I coils be one of several that I’m unfamiliar with.  This pistol is either broken, or simply not latched.

 

Cat Brules

[Utah Bob #35998]

2 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

Or it could prevent it from hanging up on brush or rocks.

And protect the ammo from dirt/ mud. Possible.

[Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062]

10 hours ago, Fence Cutter said:

 

I was thinking Tiny Tim.

 

 

 

 

the eyes and smile ain't right fer TT