Subdeacon Joe 24,734 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L 2,009 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 About 4 - 1/2 foot tall? Link to post Share on other sites
Sedalia Dave 11,939 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 She could darn near hide behind that revolver. Link to post Share on other sites
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 6,855 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L said: About 4 - 1/2 foot tall? Believable Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie Harley, #14153 2,771 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Would not want to make either mad at me. Link to post Share on other sites
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 20,763 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 They appear to have enough ammo to settle any fracas they might get into. I can’t tell for sure but it almost look like that's a top break revolver that’s not fully latched. What kind of revolver is that? Anyone know? Link to post Share on other sites
Subdeacon Joe 24,734 Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 26 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: What kind of revolver is that? Anyone know? I'm hoping that someone knows. My guess is a Webly Mk. 4 Navy but I'm likely wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
Noz 1,863 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 I have a theory about the breed of the rifle but do not wish to announce it cause I'd probably be wrong. Let's let ALPO ask them for their rank and ID card. Link to post Share on other sites
Cat Brules 1,726 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Well, first, I don’t think those two darlings have much ammo showing at all. second, the rifle looks like an old German Mannlicher Model 1895 Pistol? Unsure, no comment. Cat Brules Link to post Share on other sites
Alpo 6,234 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 The one with the stripes I might believe. The one with the curly hair - she doesn't look like she has ever touched a rifle before in her life. I understand "posed picture", but I've seen dead outlaws in 1880s American West photographs holding their gun better. Link to post Share on other sites
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 824 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 They do have that Armenian look, though.... Link to post Share on other sites
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 20,763 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Those things that look like bandoliers appear to have a cover or flap covering their cartridges. Those little decorations along the bottoms of the bandoliers look like bullets poking out of cartridges. Link to post Share on other sites
J-BAR #18287 5,735 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Lorena Bobbit’s ancestors? Link to post Share on other sites
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 2,577 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 55 minutes ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Lorena Bobbit’s ancestors? The one on the right has the hilt of a good-size cutter showing on her left hip. Link to post Share on other sites
Arkansas Jim 107095 60 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 The one on the left also has one on her left hip. Link to post Share on other sites
Major Crimes 2,271 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: I'm hoping that someone knows. My guess is a Webly Mk. 4 Navy but I'm likely wrong. It doesn't seem to have that obvious step down or flat just behind the hammer from the frame to the grip a Webley has? may be the angle? Link to post Share on other sites
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 2,311 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 would the one on the left be closely related to Gomez Addams ? Link to post Share on other sites
Fence Cutter 656 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 said: would the one on the left be closely related to Gomez Addams ? I was thinking Tiny Tim. Link to post Share on other sites
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 20,763 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Here is a little more info on these ladies. https://thefemalesoldier.com/blog/armenian-guerrillas I believe that revolver is a Nagant 1 hour ago, Major Crimes said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895 Link to post Share on other sites
Subdeacon Joe 24,734 Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Major Crimes said: It doesn't seem to have that obvious step down or flat just behind the hammer from the frame to the grip a Webley has? may be the angle? Good catch. When I went back it looks like I should have said Mk. IV, and that too would have been incorrect. It doesn't have that step, but it also doesn't have the squared off butt. Plus the cylinder seems to be too long. Link to post Share on other sites
Subdeacon Joe 24,734 Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Here is a little more info on these ladies. https://thefemalesoldier.com/blog/armenian-guerrillas I believe that revolver is a Nagant https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895 Pat, what Major Crimes pointed out also holds true for the Nagant. No flat step right behind the hammer. But thanks for the information on the ladies. Link to post Share on other sites
Rye Miles #13621 6,194 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 17 hours ago, Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L said: About 4 - 1/2 foot tall? Billy the Kid was reportedly only 5'4", Wyatt Earp was a giant at 6". People were much shorter on average back then. I'll bet there about 5' Link to post Share on other sites
Sedalia Dave 11,939 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Interesting Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Bullweed 419 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 The Swiss and French had a number of military revolvers in the 1875-1900 period that resemble this revolver. Most were in 11mm short case cargridge. This looks like a studio gun since neither lady has a holster or visible ammo. Link to post Share on other sites
Utah Bob #35998 15,351 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites
Utah Bob #35998 15,351 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 I think the rifles are Swedish m1896 Link to post Share on other sites
Joke 'um 911 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 The rifles were probably taken from dead Turks. Turkey (the Ottoman empire) was engaged in a decades long attempt to exterminate the Armenians. The Germans and Ottomans were allies in WWI. At one point a German army faced off against the Ottomans. The Turks were, as usual, trying to wipe out the Armenians. The Germans, needing the region's oil, were protecting the Armenians. The British had advisors with the Armenians. Strangely, this put the Brits and Germans on the same side in a small part of WWI. Link to post Share on other sites
Alpo 6,234 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Notice the bandolier in Bob's picture. The cartridge heads are covered with a flap that snaps down. The bullet noses are exposed underneath the bottom of the bandolier. That way when you need to reload you just pull up one of the snap flaps to get access to the ammunition. The two ladies appear to be wearing similar bandoliers, but they have them on backwards. The snapped flap is in against their body. That, I believe, would make it quite difficult to access the spare ammunition. This is another thing that makes me think "posed picture", not "actual guerillas". Link to post Share on other sites
Utah Bob #35998 15,351 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Alpo said: Notice the bandolier in Bob's picture. The cartridge heads are covered with a flap that snaps down. The bullet noses are exposed underneath the bottom of the bandolier. That way when you need to reload you just pull up one of the snap flaps to get access to the ammunition. The two ladies appear to be wearing similar bandoliers, but they have them on backwards. The snapped flap is in against their body. That, I believe, would make it quite difficult to access the spare ammunition. This is another thing that makes me think "posed picture", not "actual guerillas". She also appears to have a pistol holster. Link to post Share on other sites
Subdeacon Joe 24,734 Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Alpo said: The snapped flap is in against their body. That, I believe, would make it quite difficult to access the spare ammunition. Or it could prevent it from hanging up on brush or rocks. Link to post Share on other sites
Steel-eye Steve SASS #40674 48 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 My guess would be a Gasser style revolver: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasser_M1870 Link to post Share on other sites
Cat Brules 1,726 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Yes, the revolver looks so much like several revolvers of the “period,” that I coils be one of several that I’m unfamiliar with. This pistol is either broken, or simply not latched. Cat Brules Link to post Share on other sites
Utah Bob #35998 15,351 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: Or it could prevent it from hanging up on brush or rocks. And protect the ammo from dirt/ mud. Possible. Link to post Share on other sites
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 2,311 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 10 hours ago, Fence Cutter said: I was thinking Tiny Tim. the eyes and smile ain't right fer TT Link to post Share on other sites
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