John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I wonder how much business they lost making it so difficult for non licensees to ship a firearm. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 16 minutes ago, John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 said: I wonder how much business they lost making it so difficult for non licensees to ship a firearm. Likely no even a rounding error. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 They hired a lot during 2020 & 2021 due to Covid shipments. Perhaps they are dropping the positions they filled during those couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 From a Google search https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/30/investing/ups-job-cuts/index.html#:~:text=UPS announced Tuesday that it,%2492 billion to %2494.5 billion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Depends on what help.a lot of their employees are 3-6am sorting help. Perhaps they mean 12000 full tim equivalents that could mean 40000 part timers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 “…Most of the cuts will be full-time and part-time management positions and contract workers…” -Wall Street Journal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Lately, at two suburban PO's the most I've seen was two clerks for ten or twelve customers...that's if one clerk isn't looking for one customer's vacation-hold mail! At the rate the stamps for a First Class letter keep going up, they might as well charge $1.00 (currently 69 cents...or it was on Friday), and get it over with. As for shipping rates, I ordered a model railroad part on ebay and it cost about twice the cost of the item to ship it! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Amazon Prime Membership Shipping is Free ! Everything else I pay for online with a credit card . Or I purchased it in-person . UPS has been A$$40les to deal with for years now. I'm getting back to doing deals with a handshake and in-person wen ever possible. Rooster 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 said: I wonder how much business they lost making it so difficult for non licensees to ship a firearm. Profits are probably higher as they increased rates and fees while reducing workload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 hours ago, John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 said: I wonder how much business they lost making it so difficult for non licensees to ship a firearm. When did this happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Trailrider #896 said: Lately, at two suburban PO's the most I've seen was two clerks for ten or twelve customers...that's if one clerk isn't looking for one customer's vacation-hold mail! At the rate the stamps for a First Class letter keep going up, they might as well charge $1.00 (currently 69 cents...or it was on Friday), and get it over with. As for shipping rates, I ordered a model railroad part on ebay and it cost about twice the cost of the item to ship it! UPS not USPS is cutting peoples jobs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said: From a Google search https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/30/investing/ups-job-cuts/index.html#:~:text=UPS announced Tuesday that it,%2492 billion to %2494.5 billion. Thank you. From that article; "UPS’ business surged to record levels in the first three years of the pandemic, as online shopping exploded. The company’s sales topped $100 billion for the first time in 2022. The fact that revenue in 2023 fell more than 9% and won’t top that benchmark again in the near future is “candidly difficult and disappointing,” said CEO Carol Tome on a conference call with investors Tuesday." Sounds to me like false expectations based on unusual circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) I think part of the problem (maybe a big part) is that a large portion of the population in this country and around the world have run out of credit. When interest rates went from 3% to 7% here in the US, it impacted home sales and large purchases and while that is local and not global, that has a big impact on the global economy as the US are big consumers. Add to that the increase in Credit Card Interest to 30% and it's a recipe for disaster. Folks are spending all they make, they have spent all of their equity, and they are hitting their credit limit. Labor costs are up, materials costs are up, transportation costs are up, and taxes are up (but the economy is doing fine according to the WhiteHouse ) and that makes everything even more expensive. Toss in the end of the "Free Covid Money" and I suspect it will be a lot worse before it gets better. UPS is smart to start making the moves now. Trucking has been downsizing for a while. Just my $0.02, which probably won't even buy the glue on the back of the tape used to seal the UPS boxes.... Edited January 30 by Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L said: Double Tap....Dang Phone! Edited January 30 by Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) It is not so much that prices are going up as it is the value of a dollar is getting less. This happens when the money press doesn’t stop whether it is for “defense”, “relief”, “entitlement/social programs”, or “ foreign aid” - the four biggest scams driving inflation and bankrupting this country at the expense of our present and future middle and lower classes. Free handouts have created labor shortages , driving up labor costs to get people to show up ( and largely screw around all day), while scarcity (in goods and housing) has driven up prices furthering the purchasing power problem even more. Edited January 30 by Dirty Dan Dawkins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, July Smith said: When did this happen? Started May '22 and I think they hammered the current policy in August '22. https://www.freightwaves.com/news/senators-want-gun-shipment-stats-from-trucking-rail-companies-following-shootings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 A lot of their business was shipping for Amazon. Amazon does much of that itself now still leaving the more difficult routes to ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Didn’t they hire a bunch of people for the Holidays?? Those were pretty much temporary jobs, I assume those are included in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 40 minutes ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said: A lot of their business was shipping for Amazon. Amazon does much of that itself now still leaving the more difficult routes to ups. That was mentioned in the article I read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 32 minutes ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said: A lot of their business was shipping for Amazon. Amazon does much of that itself now still leaving the more difficult routes to ups. .Pretty much this. From what I'm seeing & hearing is that anything near an Amazon warehouse in the urban and suburbs gets shipped using Amazon vans For the more rural areas where there aren't a lot of Amazon deliveries on a regular basis Amazon hands it off to USPS and UPS (and maybe Fedex) Not entirely sure what 3rd party vendors who sell on Amazon do, best guess is what ever is cheapest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Here in Vermont, from Amazon, anything that will fit in a standard mailbox ships USPS, anything larger usually comes UPS. But they do break that rule sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 im wondering if the USPO delivering all those prime orders hasn't had an effect on this ? cutting into their margins , they are a business that needs to make a profit after all , that is not a dirty word - its essential to our economy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 14 hours ago, sassnetguy50 said: Started May '22 and I think they hammered the current policy in August '22. https://www.freightwaves.com/news/senators-want-gun-shipment-stats-from-trucking-rail-companies-following-shootings At least locally I have never been able to ship from a UPS Customer Center, always have had to take it to the local UPS hub. My understanding is the UPS CCs are sort of a franchise and UPS did not want to be liable for firearms damaged or stolen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I wonder how much of it is due to the union contract: “Our members just ratified the most lucrative agreement the Teamsters have ever negotiated at UPS. This contract will improve the lives of hundreds of thousands of workers,” Teamsters General President Sean M. O’Brien said in a statement. “Teamsters have set a new standard and raised the bar for pay, benefits, and working conditions in the package delivery industry. This is the template for how workers should be paid and protected nationwide, and nonunion companies like Amazon better pay attention.” Under the tentative agreement, full- and part-time union workers will get $2.75 more per hour in 2023, and $7.50 more in total by the end of the five-year contract. Starting hourly pay for part-time employees also got bumped up to $21, but some workers said that fell short of their expectations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Gotta hunch that there’s going to be lots of layoffs in the not too distant future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, July Smith said: At least locally I have never been able to ship from a UPS Customer Center, always have had to take it to the local UPS hub. My understanding is the UPS CCs are sort of a franchise and UPS did not want to be liable for firearms damaged or stolen. UPS Customer Centers are UPS owned and run. UPS Stores are privately owned and run, set their own rates and fees, do not accept firearms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, sassnetguy50 said: UPS Customer Centers are UPS owned and run. UPS Stores are privately owned and run, set their own rates and fees, do not accept firearms. Thanks for the clarification. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 said: I wonder how much of it is due to the union contract: Not so much the contract, it was the strike before the contract. Lots of big customers switched to FedEx, and they will not all come back. At least not right away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 6 hours ago, John Kloehr said: Not so much the contract, it was the strike before the contract. Lots of big customers switched to FedEx, and they will not all come back. At least not right away. The hardest customer to win is the customer you just lost. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Don’t worry everyone. I am sure the president will do everything possible to fix this. I am sure it’ll be part of his reelection campaign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 11 hours ago, Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 said: I wonder how much of it is due to the union contract: “Our members just ratified the most lucrative agreement the Teamsters have ever negotiated at UPS. This contract will improve the lives of hundreds of thousands of workers,” Teamsters General President Sean M. O’Brien said in a statement. “Teamsters have set a new standard and raised the bar for pay, benefits, and working conditions in the package delivery industry. This is the template for how workers should be paid and protected nationwide, and nonunion companies like Amazon better pay attention.” Under the tentative agreement, full- and part-time union workers will get $2.75 more per hour in 2023, and $7.50 more in total by the end of the five-year contract. Starting hourly pay for part-time employees also got bumped up to $21, but some workers said that fell short of their expectations. I guess yellow freight going out of business cause of the teamsters didn't concern em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Texas Joker said: I guess yellow freight going out of business cause of the teamsters didn't concern em i had not considered that but this could be the problem , every time things get to a strike , something has to give , breaking the source of your income to get a raise never made sense to me , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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