Buckshot Bear Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Tyre Nichols video is all over Australian news. I've read that racism is maybe a police motive for what happened to Nichols, but watching the video it looks like the majority of the police were black....is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gus, SASS# 66666 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 All five were of the same racial demographic as the victim. Video is damning to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Not likely https://www.npr.org/2023/01/26/1151721800/memphis-officers-charged-tyre-nichols-murder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 "They" (the news) are definitely trying to make noise around 'racism'. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/27/opinions/tyre-nichols-memphis-police-department-jones/index.html One other article I read blames the 'white' instructors at police academies for installing racist thoughts into black cops minds against black suspects. They always find a way to blame things against whites, this time they had to dig extra deep but they pulled something out of their backsides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 I've still got a lot of questions that have not been answered yet. We are getting blurry video without knowing the details. It looks like they fought with him a long time. At what point did they eventually get him handcuffed? I'd also want to see the toxicology report and a specific cause of death. Why did they stop him in the first place? Was he wanted, carrying drugs, suspended license? Why did he fight and flee the police? And what knucklehead breaks out the OC spray when everybody is trying to wrestle a suspect and get them handcuffed? I didn't even carry OC spray. That stuff is more dangerous to me than the perp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, Buckshot Bear said: "They" (the news) are definitely trying to make noise around 'racism'. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/27/opinions/tyre-nichols-memphis-police-department-jones/index.html One other article I read blames the 'white' instructors at police academies for installing racist thoughts into black cops minds against black suspects. They always find a way to blame things against whites, this time they had to dig extra deep but they pulled something out of their backsides. Opinion piece by Van Jones, but of course it gets play from CNN. The modern civil rights movement is cemented in victim mentality, blame and finger pointing. There is no room for self-discipline or personal accountability, so long as it can be pinned on someone else. The deficiencies, indiscretions and shortcomings of a community have no room in the conversation. It’s always someone else’s ( whites, Asians, cops typically, the “rich” excluding athletes and entertainers ) or histories fault. All this does is cause people of different races to self-segregate more than normal and fertilize resentment, fear and hostility to one another in a most illogical fashion. It’s all just another part of a rapidly accelerating moral and cultural decay bent towards government control, intervention and puppeteering. The honest truth is people self-segregate any way based on various socio-economic, demographic factors. It’s human nature, not something that I feel can be defined as good or bad, just human nature- one part of human nature that is grossly manipulated and weaponized as causal of society’s ills but the so-called fight against seems lately to cause even more ills, if that makes any sense. Ive got to work over on Ralph Abernathy/West End Mall area either tomorrow or Sunday. You can bet I’m going heeled. Or if the Antifas go crazy again I’ll stay home so I won’t be forced to go Rittenhouse on their asses. Our Governor has already mobilized the National Guard. At least our governor does his job. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-activates-1k-national-guard-troops-ahead-of-anti-cop-protests/ar-AA16OePa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 36 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: I've still got a lot of questions that have not been answered yet. We are getting blurry video without knowing the details. It looks like they fought with him a long time. At what point did they eventually get him handcuffed? I'd also want to see the toxicology report and a specific cause of death. Why did they stop him in the first place? Was he wanted, carrying drugs, suspended license? Why did he fight and flee the police? And what knucklehead breaks out the OC spray when everybody is trying to wrestle a suspect and get them handcuffed? I didn't even carry OC spray. That stuff is more dangerous to me than the perp. Those cops weren’t professionals from what I saw, but amateurs. Maybe I’m missing something, but it is not hard to spot when a situation is not under control. Memphis is a crappy city for the most part. You have to head east to places like Germantown to find civilization. I have family up there and never liked that place. Drugs, hookers, corruption and whatever other sorts of vice you wanna find flourish there. The agencies of government are likely just a reflection of its idiot leadership. In Memphis, it seems you’re never more than a block away from trouble. Kinda like Miami and Jersey City- too other places I’d rather not set foot in again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 From what I saw on the video I can’t believe 5 cops could not restrain and cuff this guy, it usually takes 2 or maybe 3. Sometimes only one. I think they lacked the training required. Just MHO, I’m not law enforcement and never was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 I knew nothing of this event until seeing it here. I haven’t watched the videos. I did scan thought the search headlines on DDG. I looked at one article that justified my suppositions in this case. My first thoughts regarding this incident occurred on Jan 7th were why wait until Jan 27th to release the video. My second was that the media immediately knew jerked their same old song then realized the officers were also black so they had to come up with a new spin: Here is that spin pasted below. The spin: Cops are bad. Black cops are bad because they were trained under systematic racism, therefore they are brainwashed. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/when-the-officers-are-black-tyre-nichols-death-raises-tough-questions-about-race-in-policing/ar-AA16PDKP Edit: From that article above: Rashad Robinson, “What this illustrates is that we do have a deep problem that is beyond black and white and it’s about blue,” he said. Me: What we have is 2 generations of people, regardless of race, that have no respect for the law. And most of them are city dwellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 @Rye Miles #13621 I was editing when you clicked “Like” above. It wouldn’t hurt me feelings if you removed that “Like”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 If I had to put a pin in it: There were egos involved. These officers were members of an elite squad and the start of this was a questionable traffic stop where the suspect ran after being removed from the car, chemical spray and taser were deployed. The spray blew back on an officer and they had to run. Amateur armchair opinion but this looks like a ' you DIDN'T just make me chase you?' And look what you made me do!' coupled with embarassment/anger over weapons discharge and injury. Adrenaline and ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 6 minutes ago, Texas Joker said: If I had to put a pin in it: There were egos involved. These officers were members of an elite squad and the start of this was a questionable traffic stop where the suspect ran after being removed from the car, chemical spray and taser were deployed. The spray blew back on an officer and they had to run. Amateur armchair opinion but this looks like a ' you DIDN'T just make me chase you?' And look what you made me do!' coupled with embarassment/anger over weapons discharge and injury. Adrenaline and ego. So one has to wonder why he ran. They said because he was afraid of the cops. Hmmm...are we being told everything here? Why would you run from the cops? They had to drag him out of the car. I guarantee they would not have to drag me out of the car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 We're not supposed to get political here. In these situations there is always more to the story than our media portray and it takes YEARS and work for someone not in the courtroom to find. This is being published in almost real time. Video and social media try and convict in seconds, and a court system designed in the 18th century... And by no means am I anti police, my son is on the job. Depending on where you are in the US there can be shall we say... REASONS to not trust the local boys in blue. The locals tend to know the reasons. I'm from a 'reason I pulled you over is you ain't from around here' town. OR he had a reason to rabbit and the cops knew the reason but needed RAS to stop him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 48 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: So one has to wonder why he ran. They said because he was afraid of the cops. Hmmm...are we being told everything here? Why would you run from the cops? They had to drag him out of the car. I guarantee they would not have to drag me out of the car! I have not watched the videos, I have read the traffic stop was for reckless driving but the video does not show this. I also read the stop began with guns drawn and orders to exit the vehicle. The LE unit (SCORPIAN) directing these actions is focused on drugs, violence, car theft, and gangs. The target areas are defined as those with the most 911 calls in the city. It seems this stop did not start with any expected "Do you know why I pulled you over?" or "License, registration, and proof of insurance, please." At this time, I am relying on the fact these officers were fired, arrested, and charged as rightly indicating they did wrong, and am at this time trusting the firings, arrests, and charges are not simply an effort to manage public perception. I am also interested in knowing if Tyre had drugs in his system. Running from the police is generally a bad idea, but if he legitimately feared for his life and did not cause and had no way to avoid the violence against him... I will likely watch the videos at some point, they may refine my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 I guess you could say they kicked the tyre down the road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Having been to Memphis multiple times on business, albeit years ago,......my money is on gangs. Police are being paid off, or under the thumb of one, Tyre belonged to or had affiliations with another. Time will tell. Just MHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.K. Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 I believe this is the result of teaching kids that the Police "are bad people" and "only out to hurt you." And as Obam bam instructed "Resist, Resist!" And in my opinion not having Father's in the home contributes greatly to this outcome. Just my 2 cents Thanks Pards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 4 hours ago, John Kloehr said: I have not watched the videos, I have read the traffic stop was for reckless driving but the video does not show this. I also read the stop began with guns drawn and orders to exit the vehicle. The LE unit (SCORPIAN) directing these actions is focused on drugs, violence, car theft, and gangs. The target areas are defined as those with the most 911 calls in the city. It seems this stop did not start with any expected "Do you know why I pulled you over?" or "License, registration, and proof of insurance, please." At this time, I am relying on the fact these officers were fired, arrested, and charged as rightly indicating they did wrong, and am at this time trusting the firings, arrests, and charges are not simply an effort to manage public perception. I am also interested in knowing if Tyre had drugs in his system. Running from the police is generally a bad idea, but if he legitimately feared for his life and did not cause and had no way to avoid the violence against him... I will likely watch the videos at some point, they may refine my opinion. The reason the police officers had their guns drawn is all stops after dark a HIGH risk. I am not nor are my kids in the business but I lived in an affluent city in the SF East Bay that is separated from the high crime areas by the hills from the hoods. The chief of police wanted the residents to learn about policing so there was a Citizens Police Academy. What I learned was that night time traffic stops have a higher probability of shit happening. What I learned was you don't cross between your cruiser & the stopped vehicle & you stay out of the driver's view as much as possible. All the time with your hand on the grip of your handgun. Now in high crime cities I guess you my have your gun at the ready before talking to the driver? P.S. the night shift ride along was interesting. One traffic stop & one alarm call at an office building. This in a town where one office with the rank of Sargent liked to "harass" high school boys. He eventually picked on the wrong kid & got reassigned to the county jail. The city contracted with the sheriffs dept. to provide the personnel for the city police dept. Part of the training were physical contact rules and what is shown on the video is definitely verboten. The worst incident in the 27 years I lived there was a Chicago style gang shootout at a nightclub parking lot. The club on weekends catered to residents on the west side of the hills. The police department just about had to station a car there on Friday & Saturday nights because of the many fights. The city finally got the landlord to terminate the lease. P.S. I have a question for you law dogs. What do you do when in a situation where you can control a person like in Memphis & there is no reason to believe the subject is a danger to others if they are left to flee the seen on foot? To me other than being tall Tyre if not fueled by drugs like PCP wouldn't have the strength to break free & run away fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 This appears to be a horrific beating by black officers against a black man. Not white on black in this event. But now some are complaining that these officers were fired very quickly, because they are black. So it's still racism against POC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 No logic involved - Feelings and doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said: No logic involved - Feelings and doctrine. And narrative. Can't forget to push the narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 Calling some journalists 'pond scum' is disrespectful to pond scum. "Black cops are often socialized in police departments that view certain neighborhoods as war zones. In those departments, few officers get disciplined for dishing out ‘street justice’ in certain precincts — often populated by Black, brown or low-income people — where there is a tacit understanding that the ‘rulebook’ simply doesn’t apply," Van Jones said. "Cops of all colors, including Black police officers, internalize those messages — and sometimes act on them." Jemele Hill, a writer for The Atlantic, tweeted that the "entire system" of policing is based on White supremacy. "I need so many people to understand this regarding Tyre Nichols. Several of the police officers who murdered Freddie Gray were Black. The entire system of policing is based on white supremacist violence. We see people under the boot of oppression carry its water all the time," Hill wrote. Rep. Maxwell Frost, D-Fla., said in a now-deleted tweet that Nichols' death is a "result of white supremacy." "Doesn’t matter what color those police officers are," Frost said. "The murder of Tyre Nichols is anti-Black and the result of white supremacy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 as stated above - there is always more to the story than we get in the news - and im asking the same question "Why did they stop him in the first place? " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 As a Tennessean with friends in Memphis, I’m watching this case more than I would otherwise. I’ve read articles from multiple sources with their respective biases, and watched all the released videos. The full story of what happened between the original traffic stop and Mr Nichols being in cuffs still has a lot of gaps. What is crystal clear is that from the time he was in cuffs and medics arrived, there were twenty minutes where the medics stood by and did nothing until the ambulance arrived. There is something in those twenty minutes which sickens me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I am not a LEO, nor do I play one on TV. However, as a fellow human, I can fully understand how LEOs come to the breaking point with constant 13% crime and B.S. When that perp took off like a rabbit after struggling and (no doubt) running his damn mouth, I figure this was the last straw. If you are pulled over the the LEOs, this is *his* time, not *your* time. Your time is later, in court, etc. Do not run your mouth. Do not run, period. Do not fight or struggle. Do not spew attitude. Use your manners, because the LEO has a reason to pull you over in the first place. Time after time after time after time after time.... I see the same 13% crap: running the mouth, running away, fighting with the LEO, etc. I have zero sympathy for perps who are this stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Chris Rock made a great public service commercial about this very subject. It's probably not PC enough to post a link but you can look it up on Youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 54 minutes ago, bgavin said: I am not a LEO, nor do I play one on TV. However, as a fellow human, I can fully understand how LEOs come to the breaking point with constant 13% crime and B.S. When that perp took off like a rabbit after struggling and (no doubt) running his damn mouth, I figure this was the last straw. If you are pulled over the the LEOs, this is *his* time, not *your* time. Your time is later, in court, etc. Do not run your mouth. Do not run, period. Do not fight or struggle. Do not spew attitude. Use your manners, because the LEO has a reason to pull you over in the first place. Time after time after time after time after time.... I see the same 13% crap: running the mouth, running away, fighting with the LEO, etc. I have zero sympathy for perps who are this stupid. I just can't understand how 5 cops could not get this guy under control! If they did their job he wouldn't have run! I just don't get it! I've seen countless videos of one or two cops getting someone cuffed and under control and they were a lot bigger than this guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I coach a brother at our lodge, who is a LEO. He's a fine and upstanding man, but being human, I figure even he would reach a breaking point with dirt bags. One of my clients is a retired CHP, so I asked him the proper etiquette about how to get a traffic ticket. He grinned at me, then gave me a very thorough education on how to get a ticket... keynotes highlighted above. Here in CA, the LEOs are somewhat reluctant to merrily write traffic tickets, because each one requires a seven page report, including sexual orientation notes. Several other lodge brothers are retired LEOs from Folsom and San Quentin prisons, where all they see, day in and day out, are dirt bags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 These cops were part of an "Elite Unit?" XXX was their "Elite Unite" supposed to be doing? Chasing drivers who were weaving a little bit? Most of them looked a little bit overweight and out of shape to be in an "Elite Unit." And their 4 letter language when they knew they were on camera? Of course since Memphis is 65% black, I assume they show preferential treatment in hiring candidates for their police department. Of course the left-wingnut, liberal, socialist, anti-white media and Democrats will blame Trump and Republican voters. Another formerly great American city gone down the toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Oh, and now we find out two of the officers involved were hired after Memphis "lowered" it's hiring standards. It just gets better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 It might help to educate the populace on the meaning of STOP. You'd think they learn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 11 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said: It might help to educate the populace on the meaning of STOP. You'd think they learn! When you’re excused from responsibility because you’ve been “oppressed” or because you’re “underprivileged” or because your neighborhood or your family is “disadvantaged”, you don’t learn morality or accountability. You have always been given a free pass because “he doesn’t know any better” or “he hasn’t had the breaks”. So, when it comes down to the point where you have to “own it” and THE MAN calls you out on it, you aren’t prepared to answer for your actions and you just assume that “I ain’t gotta go by those rules”. When you take the “whoopin’ “ that you’re eventually going to get, either physical or otherwise, all your “family” and the press/media say what a”fine young individual” you are that “he didn’t/doesn’t deserve what he got” and the people who were put in the position of having to deal with your misdeeds are excoriated for doing their job! I’m not saying that this guy should have had the crap beaten out of him or that the officers in question are in any way right in what they did. But I AM saying that to run or fight in this kind of situation has repeatedly proven to end badly and even the stupidest individual should have noted that it could get you badly hurt or killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I get the breaking point thing, but five cops simultaneously reaching a breaking point, or is this like the sled dogs early in Call of the Wild where there’s one Alpha and the rest idly stand by for their turn to pounce on the kill of a weak and offending member of the sled team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 It's been my observation that as the criminal justice system breaks down, the level of 'street justice" increases. This street justice refers to the level of violence used by not only law enforcement, but gangs, homeowners and general potential victims of criminal activity. The District Attorney, Judge and politician who remove the penalties of committing crimes are directly responsible for escalating street justice. Of course, the voting population in that area elect the DA, Judge and politician so ultimately, who is responsible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Bob I’ve been hearing how corrupt Memphis is from my family up there since the late 80’s early 90’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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