Itchy Trigger Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Quote "Though alarming, we simply have no affirmative right to police aid, even when a person, including a helpless child, faces imminent danger. We are all responsible for our own personal safety, whether we like it or not." Interesting article, I "kinda" knew it, but did not realize it had been confirmed by the Supreme Court in multiple cases. The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law (barneslawllp.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Jack Calder Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 How do we get all the leftist millennials to realize this is true? MISSION IMPOSSIBLE!! CJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I was shocked when I was taught this in Police Basic. I've never forgotten it, I've advised the unbelieving public of this fact many times. Pitifully few chose to believe, at least in that moment, that Colonel Cooper was right when he observed that "when the man in the green eyeshade is turning over the final card, your own best protector is YOU!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still hand Bill Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 The first time I read this, I was surprised, but now understand why it has to be that way. If the police had to protect every citizen, they would potentially be liable if they didn’t. With our litigious society the lawsuits would quickly cripple any police force. many do not understand they are on their own when it comes to protection. Unfortunately if they ever learn this by experience it’s a painful lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I carry a gun because carrying even a tiny Cop would be a challenge at my age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Still hand Bill said: The first time I read this, I was surprised, but now understand why it has to be that way. If the police had to protect every citizen, they would potentially be liable if they didn’t. With our litigious society the lawsuits would quickly cripple any police force. many do not understand they are on their own when it comes to protection. Unfortunately if they ever learn this by experience it’s a painful lesson. And often a final one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 You can’t convince some folks that the police are neither responsible nor equipped to provide personal protection to the general population. In most cases, the job of the police is to investigate and clean up after the crime has been committed. As a previous poster says, when the final card is turned… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Yet many have the motto on their squad cars, "To Serve, and Protect". Wonder if that motto could be used in court in case of a litigation or would it be best to remove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said: Yet many have the motto on their squad cars, "To Serve, and Protect". Wonder if that motto could be used in court in case of a litigation or would it be best to remove? I take that to mean protect society as a whole, not specific individuals in that society. When a cop pulls someone over for drunk or reckless driving he is protecting society, not a specific individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said: Yet many have the motto on their squad cars, "To Serve, and Protect". Wonder if that motto could be used in court in case of a litigation or would it be best to remove? The police “protect” the general public, not individuals. “Protective Custody”, often provided for certain individuals, is a service to the public in the interest of justice, but not simply for that individual’s own protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said: Yet many have the motto on their squad cars, "To Serve, and Protect". Wonder if that motto could be used in court in case of a litigation or would it be best to remove? ....... well, .... it doesn't say who gets "served and protected" ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 34 minutes ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said: Yet many have the motto on their squad cars, "To Serve, and Protect". Wonder if that motto could be used in court in case of a litigation or would it be best to remove? The article left out that police are obligated to protect you when you are inside that car in police custody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, sassnetguy50 said: The article left out that police are obligated to protect you when you are inside that car in police custody. The motto was started in the 60s by the LA Police Department and spread as these words were seen, believe it or not, from movies and TV shows showing this motto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Oooooooooops, doubled up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 In Los Angeles the police patrol units all used to say “To Protect and Serve”. They no longer have that motto on their cars because they got sued for not protecting someone or a group of someones. The LA Sheriff’s cars had something similar. They covered the motto with “Dial 911” in big letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Don't forget, when seconds count, the police are only hours away. At least up here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Cassidy #45437 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 The Supreme Court's reasoning was that the police simply cannot be everywhere at once, but if they ruled the police were responsible for protecting every individual, they would be sued for not being everywhere at once. In other words, if a crackhead starts beating down a door and the homeowner calls 911, but the crackhead gets in and murders them before the police arrive, the police would be held liable. As a result, police are charged with protecting society writ large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 we used to have the New South Wales Police Force then we had the New South Wales Police Service now we have the New South Wales Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchy Trigger Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said: Yet many have the motto on their squad cars, "To Serve, and Protect". A motto that was made famous by Dragnet, but to my knowledge there are no police cars with that on their doors today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Itchy Trigger said: A motto that was made famous by Dragnet, but to my knowledge there are no police cars with that on their doors today. Cut to the source https://www.lapdonline.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I can see where the school teacher has A right to be pissed, because the cops wearing the bulletproof vest did not come in and get in the way of the bad guy shooting people. But that one in Arizona - where the guy is running from the cops and jumps off the bridge into the lake. I would have stood there and watched him drown too. Now, if he swam to the shore, the cops should have run down off the bridge to the shore of the lake and got him as he came out of the water. But if he jumped in the water inAND hisIS drowning they're supposed to get him? How about if he ran out the middle of the rush hour traffic and he was about to be run over by a semi? Are they supposed to run out behind him and push him out of the way, OR are they JUST supposed to turn their head away so they don't get splashed? If he decided his best way to escape from the police was to dive into a wood chipper, should they have reached in and tried to pull him out before he got chopped up? Stupid. Man that can't swim jumps into the water - he has made the decision to drown. Now IF some little five or six year old kid had been playing on the railing, and fell into the lake, and the cops stood up there and watched him go glug-glug - yeah, that ain't right. But that's not what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 50 minutes ago, Itchy Trigger said: A motto that was made famous by Dragnet, but to my knowledge there are no police cars with that on their doors today. I still see some around from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 50 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: I still see some around from time to time. Oh yes, the Motto is still around on many departments still. I see it everyday here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 18 hours ago, Cyrus Cassidy #45437 said: The Supreme Court's reasoning was that the police simply cannot be everywhere at once, but if they ruled the police were responsible for protecting every individual, they would be sued for not being everywhere at once. In other words, if a crackhead starts beating down a door and the homeowner calls 911, but the crackhead gets in and murders them before the police arrive, the police would be held liable. As a result, police are charged with protecting society writ large. You’re right — police are not responsible for protecting an individual even if a known threat exists. I had a liberal friend for whom the first step in becoming a gun owner was becoming convinced this was true. And becoming a gun owner was his first step in becoming a conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 I've heard of this before. I have a hard time relating it to situations like Uvalde. Obviously folks other than the police thought there was a duty to protect. Was that just a communication failure? Was the duty to protect the kids just an issue of personal decency (missing), with no legal basis or responsibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 While the police might not have a duty to protect you, I think they do have a duty to stop crime. So if someone is beating me to death with a crowbar, and the cop is standing there, he should have the duty of stopping the crime of murder. Protecting me from being killed is just a little side thing. So in a school shooting, while he may not have the duty to protect the student or the teacher, he does have the duty to stop the crime of the guy shooting up the school. Doesn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 17 minutes ago, Alpo said: While the police might not have a duty to protect you, I think they do have a duty to stop crime. So if someone is beating me to death with a crowbar, and the cop is standing there, he should have the duty of stopping the crime of murder. Protecting me from being killed is just a little side thing. So in a school shooting, while he may not have the duty to protect the student or the teacher, he does have the duty to stop the crime of the guy shooting up the school. Doesn't he? As far as it goes, you’re correct. However, it doesn’t mean that the police have to stand guard or even send patrols. All the more reason to provide your own personal protection and even more reason for strict enforcement of the Second Amendment!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 It's easy to confuse the idea of Duty with the concept of legal duty, the breach of which can give rise to an individual lawsuit. There's nothing wrong with the concept that police have the 'duty to protect' as long as one doesn't assume that that duty is actionable by an individual. That requires special circumstances. The general duty is to the public as a whole, not to individuals. It's still a duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 https://lawenforcementactionpartnership.org/peel-policing-principles/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 My town's police cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/7/2022 at 4:23 PM, Itchy Trigger said: A motto that was made famous by Dragnet, but to my knowledge there are no police cars with that on their doors today. On 11/7/2022 at 4:26 PM, Rip Snorter said: Cut to the source https://www.lapdonline.org/ On 11/7/2022 at 6:05 PM, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said: Oh yes, the Motto is still around on many departments still. I see it everyday here. The LAPD Motto is still “To Protect and Serve”, but it was removed from their cars for a time in the 2000’s, but it looks like I was incorrect. The newer cars do have it and it’s right next to their police emblems on the doors of their black and whites. This photo is from 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: The LAPD Motto is still “To Protect and Serve”, but it was removed from their cars for a time in the 2000’s, but it looks like I was incorrect. The newer cars do have it and it’s right next to their police emblems on the doors of their black and whites. This photo is from 2020. You’ll notice that the statement is now in MUCH SMALLER print. It used to take up a LOT MORE space!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, Blackwater 53393 said: You’ll notice that the statement is now in MUCH SMALLER print. It used to take up a LOT MORE space!! If I recall the motto was on the black paint in white and it was on the two rear fenders and in the back of the trunk lid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 When I was traveling to California every other month in the ‘90s, I remember it taking up most of the rear quarter panels on both sides! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: If I recall the motto was on the black paint in white and it was on the two rear fenders and in the back of the trunk lid. That's what I thought - large white block printing on the black parts of the car. Maybe that was later. But here we have a screen capture of the Adam-12 parking lot. Small black cursive on the white door. To the right of the emblem, so it was under the handle on the driver's side and next to the hinge on the passenger side. This is 67 - first year of the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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