Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Simple question and am looking for a simple yes or no. Do you consider pistols that are shot back to back but from 2 different positions split pistols? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Indian Dude Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Red, SASS #71733 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 No, no, no, no, no. My definition of split pistols means something happens between the first 5 shots and the second 5 shots that requires at least one pistol to leave one's hand. Shooting a different firearm or handling a prop are examples. Moving between shots is not splitting and (in my not at all humble opinion) can not be considered part of the definition. Just because one does not like or feel comfortable moving with a gun in each hand does not change the definition. I don't even mind splitting pistols as long as I can safely stage them between strings. Just don't make me shoot duelist. RR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spades Hanlin SASS#66204 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 No ! Spades H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Most Wanted Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Yes. Only because I have seen GFs shoot it double duelist to avoid over cocking. I didn't like it until I started counting to four instead of five(if I counted to five six was cocked) then I thought they were fun. What's not to like about running with both guns out bringing bad intentions to the next target. Yes or No answer on the wire. Seriously ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubious Don #56333 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 No. Hazard to moving between 5/5 is double cockers primarily, will need extry attention in the form of honorable mention during reading of the stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spades Hanlin SASS#66204 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 No. Hazard to moving between 5/5 is double cockers primarily, will need extry attention in the form of honorable mention during reading of the stage Beg to differ. Saw it happen 3 weeks ago to very seasoned Gfer that single cocks, he did fire the round before moving but he did do it.. Not to mention stumbling with guns out.. It happens!! Spades H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasty Newt # 7365 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Remember when gunfighters had to "qualify?" We could go back to something similar: "Must be able to walk and chew gum simultaneously." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 no, only when there as another gun between them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partner Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 No. In fact I like them occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.T Chambers, SASS#76185 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Yes, there is an action required after 5 shots and before the next 5 shots can be fired. MTC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spades Hanlin SASS#66204 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Remember when gunfighters had to "qualify?" We could go back to something similar: "Must be able to walk and chew gum simultaneously." Sooo, these types of things don't, or won't ever happen to a GFer, once they have had the qualif as GFer course??? Spades H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 NO!! er, sorry, didn't mean to shout ...... no Coffinmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pit Bull Tex Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I have not shoot gunfighter for that long.I will not move with my pistols.I always shoot a stage with movement Double duelist,only because I am not comfortable moving with my pictols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wylie Harp, #21158L Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Yes | Yes ~:Wylie:~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tn Tombstone Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Yes, it changes the rhythm for one thing. It would be the same as you shooting 5 rifle and moving for the next five. That said, I do not mind seeing this at matches on a stage or maybe two. I wonder how many of the "no's" are gunfighters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.T Chambers, SASS#76185 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Yes, it changes the rhythm for one thing. It would be the same as you shooting 5 rifle and moving for the next five. That said, I do not mind seeing this at matches on a stage or maybe two. Outstanding example Tn Tombstone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 yes and no, depending on the shooter. I don't consider them as split pistol... I like split pistol stages so that I can transition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I'm confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Creek Red, SASS # 22854 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack, SASS #20451 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 NO. The 3 CAS Handbooks do not use the term "split" but they clearly define a "shooting sting" as shots from one type of firearm prior to the use of the next type of firearm engaged. They also give examples of activities that do not use a different type of firearm but still require some activity between the first portion of the shooting string and the last. So by the rulebook 2 positions do not constitute a split sequence since no other type of firearm was used. Do I think it is a good idea?? NO I think it is a penalty trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 a simple..... NO. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefro, SASS#69420 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 a simple..... NO. ..........Widder Yea but ......................................No J R-E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 JEDI Jester Spades, here are my discussion points based on your discussion points. If movement is short or far, even the traditional style shooter has to maneuver the stage and watch out for a SAFETY, particularly when they turn and holster on the move AND draw their 2nd pistol on the move. Moving with 2 loaded revolvers (hopefully with hammers down) is always a safety concern for all of us. But the shooter has the option of doing it or not, based on their comfort level to do so. And remember, even without movement, there can be some stages where a GF chooses to shoot DD, even if both pistols are fired back to back from the same position. Its odd, but it can happen. And the GF makes that choice based on their comfort level of the particular stage. Anyhow, thats just my thoughts. Besides, I almost feel like I've got an advantage over most Trad style shooters when pistol are back to back AND split. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordyce Beals Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Simple question and am looking for a simple yes or no. Do you consider pistols that are shot back to back but from 2 different positions split pistols? No, same as rifle(not used very often or ever) or shotgun safe to move conditions. Fordyce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Rick, SASS #49739L Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 No, not any more than moving between SG targets. CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spittoon O Tool SASS #62053 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Only if the shooter chooses to do it duelist instead of gunfighter. Spittoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 No, as long as I can walk/run them hammers down on empty chambers to next position, they are not split. Gun in-between is what I call a split pistol stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spades Hanlin SASS#66204 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 JEDI Jester Spades, here are my discussion points based on your discussion points. If movement is short or far, even the traditional style shooter has to maneuver the stage and watch out for a SAFETY, particularly when they turn and holster on the move AND draw their 2nd pistol on the move. Moving with 2 loaded revolvers (hopefully with hammers down) is always a safety concern for all of us. But the shooter has the option of doing it or not, based on their comfort level to do so. And remember, even without movement, there can be some stages where a GF chooses to shoot DD, even if both pistols are fired back to back from the same position. Its odd, but it can happen. And the GF makes that choice based on their comfort level of the particular stage. Anyhow, thats just my thoughts. Besides, I almost feel like I've got an advantage over most Trad style shooters when pistol are back to back AND split. ..........Widder I agree for the most part with you. Strict answer to Deuces question is without a doubt ( NO ) !!! Spades H. i shoot em the way they write em, always have, always will with a smile too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 No. I don't care for split pistols I.e. Some manipulation or another gun between my pistols. But shoot 5 and move to shoot 5 more, I very much enjoy and often write that into my matches. The upcoming Nevada state championship has such a stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Longhair 27261 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Thanks for the replies so far. Just for the record we have 17 no's and 6 yes. I am not counting the ones that did not actually answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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