Deadeye Joe Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I am working to get involved in Cowboy Action Shooting, and am currently in the process of building up a full loadout. I was wondering if it would be possible for me to participate with only one revolver for the time being and reload during the stage. (I would be using a Remington 1858 with a spare cylinder, so it would not take too long) I looked through the rulebook and didn't necessarily see any provisions against it, except that in one-handed duelist you are not able to touch the pistol with your offhand except for resolving malfunctions. On one hand, from the interactions I've had at local clubs I believe they would be flexible, but on the other I am worried that it may slow down the pace of the game and make for a worse experience for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Someone will lend you one. Get another holster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 21 minutes ago, Deadeye Joe said: I would be using a Remington 1858 with a spare cylinder Are you talking about a cap and ball or a cartridge conversion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadeye Joe Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 17 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: Are you talking about a cap and ball or a cartridge conversion? I was planning on doing a cartridge conversion, but I would still be able to use it for cap and ball if desired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Was checking because if it is a cap and ball you would have to cap it on the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 34 minutes ago, Deadeye Joe said: I was planning on doing a cartridge conversion, but I would still be able to use it for cap and ball if desired Don’t believe you can carry a loaded spare conversion cylinder on the firing line, dropping it could be problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 The rules for carrying ammunition for stage reloads do not allow carrying a loaded spare cylinder. (SHB pp.3-4) EXCEPT for loaded (uncapped) percussion cylinders (as Larsen mentioned): A complete reload for percussion revolver shooters is handled by staging a loaded, uncapped revolver down range or switching uncapped cylinders and capping on the clock. SHB p.13 Note: Any ammo carried to the stage in an illegal/unapproved manner that is actually used for stage reloads falls under the “Use of illegally acquired ammunition” penalties. SHB p.4 The penalty of using “illegally acquired” ammunition (i.e., NOT carried to the line/staged by the shooter in an approved manner) is a PROCEDURAL. Any targets hit using that ammo are scored as MISSES. SHB p.18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Its legal to shoot the rifle stage with a single shot rifle though isn't it (even if its annoying to the posse)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 The rules are posted on the home page. "Rifles or carbines used in the main and team matches must be original or replicas of lever or slide action rifles manufactured during the period from approximately 1860 until 1899, incorporating a tubular magazine and exposed hammer." So, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I was at a BIG shoot a few years ago where for some reason the MD let some bozo with a single shot shoot the match. After the entire match backed-up on day one and people found out the cause of the back-up let's just say the MD was educated and advised that a lot of people were not going to shoot days two and three if that shooter was not removed or required to shoot a legal rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 8 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: The rules are posted on the home page. "Rifles or carbines used in the main and team matches must be original or replicas of lever or slide action rifles manufactured during the period from approximately 1860 until 1899, incorporating a tubular magazine and exposed hammer." So, no. Going to enforce this, because at club that I shoot at one guy does it often and it adds so much time to the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 All comments regarding how to carry reloads aside, SASS/CAS requires TWO revolvers: "Contestants shoot in several four firearm stages (courses of fire) in which they engage steel targets in a specifically designed scenario and shooting sequence." SHB p.2 Borrow a second revolver or take the misses for "unfired rounds". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Gunslinger Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 While PaleWolf is stating the official rules, Match Directors tend to let some things slide at monthly matches in the interest of letting everyone participate. I'd show up to the match and ask if you can do that. Odds are after you do it the first time someone will loan you a revolver. At our monthly matches we have some nice tables set up at the shooting positions and it would be pretty easy to pre-stage your extra cylinder on the table at the pistol shooting position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 This raises an even more interesting question. Can you shoot Gunfighter with only one pistol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Chapo Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 23 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: This raises an even more interesting question. Can you shoot Gunfighter with only one pistol? Anything that can be done in (double) duelist can be done in gunfighter. Gunfighter is just double duelist + a rule allowing us to have two loaded guns out at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 That is what is known as a joke. Logically if you only have ONE gun how can you shoot Gunfighter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITE LIGHTNIN,SASS # 527 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Years ago Tom doodlysquat shot the match with one revolver and was very quick at reloading the second pistol he had many revolver’s but had fun shooting just one may he RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Gunslinger Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 43 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: That is what is known as a joke. Logically if you only have ONE gun how can you shoot Gunfighter? You had me wondering about you for a minute. I was gonna say, wouldn't Gunfighter with one pistol just be Duelist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 7 minutes ago, Idaho Gunslinger said: You had me wondering about you for a minute. I was gonna say, wouldn't Gunfighter with one pistol just be Duelist? Nah, he would just be a Onegunfighter Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, WHITE LIGHTNIN,SASS # 527 said: Years ago Tom doodlysquat shot the match with one revolver and was very quick at reloading the second pistol he had many revolver’s but had fun shooting just one may he RIP Beat me to it. Tom was a very good friend of mine. We shot together all over the place. He was one of the best people I've ever known. Tom was good at everything he ever did. He use to shoot matches ENCLUDING END OF TRAIL using only one revolver and doing a complete reload on the clock. There is nothing to prevent that action. Yes, you CAN ABSOLUTELY shoot Duelist using only one revolver if you do it right. Just reload the revolver at the appropriate time and shoot the next 5 rounds. Snakebite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Use a Schofield! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Jordan, SASS 18742 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 about 20 years ago we did have a "one pistol category" with the intention of encouraging more new shooters to join I would think now that " taking the misses" would violate " Spirit of the Game" maybe? I now have been corrected as to the correct legal term as follows: I should have said : I would think now that " taking the misses would "Be a procedural" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 2 hours ago, River Jordan, SASS 18742 said: about 20 years ago we did have a "one pistol category" with the intention of encouraging more new shooters to join I would think now that " taking the misses" would violate " Spirit of the Game" maybe? Quote A “Spirit of the Game” infraction occurs when a competitor willfully or intentionally disregards the stage instructions to obtain a competitive advantage (e.g., taking the penalty would result in a lower score or faster time than following the instructions). SHB p.11 How would taking 25 seconds in miss penalties be any kind of "competitive advantage"...along with a 10-second PROCEDURAL for: "Failure to attempt to fire a firearm, engage a prop, or perform a stage maneuver." (SHB p.21) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Chapo Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 6 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: That is what is known as a joke. Logically if you only have ONE gun how can you shoot Gunfighter? The same logic could apply to this entire thread. How can a person expect to shoot a 4 gun game with only 3 guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITE LIGHTNIN,SASS # 527 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Just now, WHITE LIGHTNIN,SASS # 527 said: Tom used to say he couldn’t afford more guns and we knew he had a safe full he did for the fun of it miss him and all the others that have gone in the last few years,filthy luker,midway,grey beard, and I saw that mrs slickshot added to the list Whitelightnin sass # 527 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Haller Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 My guy once shot a local match using rifle, shotgun and one schofield revolver and reloading on the clock; he was pretty quick with it! 6 hours ago, DeaconKC said: Use a Schofield! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 On 6/25/2024 at 11:30 AM, Idaho Gunslinger said: While PaleWolf is stating the official rules, Match Directors tend to let some things slide at monthly matches… Yep. Like a Shooter reaching for his shotgun and then realizing he forgot to bring shells to the firing line. TO just hands the Shooter shells from the TO’s belt and all is good. Just a monthly. Until by reflex a TO hands shells to Shooter who forgot to load up her shotgun belt at a State match. I was the TO 🥵. Terrible shame a Shooter gets called out for not following official rules because official rules ain’t adhered toat monthly’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Or, SASS could adopt an NCOWS category called Working Cowboy. In this category, the shooter needs only one pistol and one rifle. It's so simple yet so terrifying to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, Cholla said: Or, SASS could adopt an NCOWS category called Working Cowboy. In this category, the shooter needs only one pistol and one rifle. It's so simple yet so terrifying to some. It's not "terrifying". It's call NCOWS...we are SASS. I know, let throw all the rules out and just have a bloody free for all!!!! In the spirit of DEI...let's DO IT!!!!! Or...we can just be...terrified. Oy... Phantom...not surprised things never change around here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 11 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: It's not "terrifying". It's call NCOWS...we are SASS. I know, let throw all the rules out and just have a bloody free for all!!!! In the spirit of DEI...let's DO IT!!!!! Or...we can just be...terrified. Oy... Phantom...not surprised things never change around here... Welcome back Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. M. BROWN, SASS # 27309 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 On 6/25/2024 at 12:10 PM, El Chapo said: Anything that can be done in (double) duelist can be done in gunfighter. Gunfighter is just double duelist + a rule allowing us to have two loaded guns out at the same time. Just remember that if you are in the Gunfighter Category, you have to shoot 5 with each hand. JM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. M. BROWN, SASS # 27309 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 On 6/24/2024 at 10:15 PM, Deadeye Joe said: I am working to get involved in Cowboy Action Shooting, and am currently in the process of building up a full loadout. I was wondering if it would be possible for me to participate with only one revolver for the time being and reload during the stage. (I would be using a Remington 1858 with a spare cylinder, so it would not take too long) I looked through the rulebook and didn't necessarily see any provisions against it, except that in one-handed duelist you are not able to touch the pistol with your offhand except for resolving malfunctions. On one hand, from the interactions I've had at local clubs I believe they would be flexible, but on the other I am worried that it may slow down the pace of the game and make for a worse experience for others. If you are shooting one pistol and you need to reload, you may use both hands. The rule about one hand is during the actual firing the pistol. JM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 I wouldn’t even think abiut doing that, wait until you get another pistol ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Funny how times changed. When I started several stages called for only some of the guns we now use. Sometimes only 1 pistol. Sometimes no shotgun, etc. I still have a bunch of old stage instructions that way. And it was not uncommon to have a shooter come with only 1 revolver. It was his or her choice to either reload on the clock or take the misses. We didn't have the Gunfighter category back then. But now, you might be able to shoot gunfighter with 1 pistol - just taking a miss for every other target . Don't see that it would matter much, but you could shoot in two handed category or duelist if you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 While I have no objection to someone starting with one pistol and taking the misses for unfired rounds, I can't help but observe the cost of leather for one pistol, plus the cost of a second pistol and new leather for carrying both... would be a false economy. Just get the second pistol before buying leather. Or get the leather for two and ask to borrow a second pistol for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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