Badlands Bob #61228 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 I was just reading about the new ammunition laws that take effect in California. They can't sell ammo to anyone who lives out of state and you can't bring ammo into the state. Apparently, you have to be registered with the California DOJ and your I.D. information has to match up with what they have on file or you get turned down. Some of the new laws went into effect Jan 1 and the ammo background check starts in July. I know there are lots of SASS clubs in California. Kind of makes it hard for out of state shooters to participate in matches.
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 40 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: I was just reading about the new ammunition laws that take effect in California. They can't sell ammo to anyone who lives out of state and you can't bring ammo into the state. Apparently, you have to be registered with the California DOJ and your I.D. information has to match up with what they have on file or you get turned down. Some of the new laws went into effect Jan 1 and the ammo background check starts in July. I know there are lots of SASS clubs in California. Kind of makes it hard for out of state shooters to participate in matches. No, it doesn’t.
Texas Lizard Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 We have not seen any rules or regs at this...I'm not sure if any one really knows what is going to happen...Or even how do it once here... Texas Lizard
Jackaroo, # 29989 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 Any border patrols at the state line on I40?
Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 34 minutes ago, Jackaroo, # 29989 said: Any border patrols at the state line on I40? Nope
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Jackaroo, # 29989 said: Any border patrols at the state line on I40? Nope, but that won’t stop Chicken Little from spreading the news.
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 I don't think I40 is their big problem. Blackfoot
LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 https://www.laxammooc.com/california-ammo-laws-for-2019/ https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/article189213039.html If these sources are correct, BB may be pretty close to correct.
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 As I read the two articles in the link I learned two things: 1) without a CAL state drivers license one may not buy ammo there and 2) it is prohibited to bring ammo purchased out of state into California. It seems to me that would effectively prohibit many shooters from participating is SASS matches in California.
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 said: As I read the two articles in the link I learned two things: 1) without a CAL state drivers license one man not buy ammo there and 2) it is prohibited to bring ammo purchased out of state into California. It seems to me that would effectively prohibit many shooters from participating is SASS matches in California. I didn't read the article, but my understanding is the out of state purchase applies to California residents.
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted January 19, 2019 Author Posted January 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: I didn't read the article, but my understanding is the out of state purchase applies to California residents. Can I drive in ammunition I bought out of state? No. On Jan. 1, it will be illegal to import into California ammunition purchased in another state. The legislature passed a bill in 2016 that would have allowed hunters to bring in up to 50 rounds from out of state without taking it to a dealer, but Proposition 63 overrode that, according to the Department of Justice.
Sedalia Dave Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 If you reload them you are not bringing ammunition your BOUGHT into the state.
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said: If you reload them you are not bringing ammunition your BOUGHT into the state. True, but that is not an argument I want to make to law enforcement or a magistrate. How can I prove my ammo was handloaded? Yes, the burden of proof is on the state, but do I want this legal fight? As a retiree does anyone want some large legal bills? I think I will shoot elsewhere and donate to organizations prepared to take the issue to court.
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 Even a stronger reason now to reload- None of those new stupid-arse laws affect receiving reloading components to your door. OLG
Tyrel Cody Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Even a stronger reason now to reload- None of those new stupid-arse laws affect receiving reloading components to your door. OLG YET
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, Tyrel Cody said: YET YUP....... OLG
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted January 19, 2019 Author Posted January 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Even a stronger reason now to reload- None of those new stupid-arse laws affect receiving reloading components to your door. OLG Just wait till the 1st Crip gets caught sneaking around with a Rockchucker. Here comes Prop 64.
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, Badlands Bob #61228 said: Just wait till the 1st Crip gets caught sneaking around with a Rockchucker. Here comes Prop 64. Those POS's ain't that smart.......... OLG
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: Can I drive in ammunition I bought out of state? No. On Jan. 1, it will be illegal to import into California ammunition purchased in another state. The legislature passed a bill in 2016 that would have allowed hunters to bring in up to 50 rounds from out of state without taking it to a dealer, but Proposition 63 overrode that, according to the Department of Justice. Is "I" a California resident? Does that apply to visitors bringing in ammo for personal consumption??
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: Is "I" a California resident? Does that apply to visitors bringing in ammo for personal consumption?? I can tell you that out of state folks can not buy ammo in PRK now. Don't have, and can't find and answer about out of state folks bring in ammo for a shooting event. OLG
Assassin Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 I can see it now, people selling baggies of powder behind the bowling alley or dumpster. Yeah man, there's enough here to load 100 rounds. And, only single stage presses can be sold no progressives (pardon the pun).
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 This is a good site to peruse, if you have questions. https://oag.ca.gov/firearms Or, use the "contact us" link on the site to ask questions you are not sure of. https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/contact
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 Here in Reno Nevada, next to the Calif. border on I-80 we see lots of Californians at our gun shows taking cases and cases of ammo on hand trucks out to their vehicles. So unless the border check point in Truckee will now be tasked with asking about ammo who's to know where the ammo came from. Or soon,Sir do you have fruits or vegetables and 10,000 rounds of ,223! Please pull over to the secondary check point. SO instead of drug sniffing dogs, we now have ammo sniffing dogs. You laugh...but wait. Ike
Matthew Duncan Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said: Here in Reno Nevada, next to the Calif. border on I-80 we see lots of Californians at our gun shows taking cases and cases of ammo on hand trucks out to their vehicles. So unless the border check point in Truckee will now be tasked with asking about ammo who's to know where the ammo came from. Or soon,Sir do you have fruits or vegetables and 10,000 rounds of ,223! Please pull over to the secondary check point. SO instead of drug sniffing dogs, we now have ammo sniffing dogs. You laugh...but wait. Ike Feds can't enforce state laws.
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 Boarder check point is California operated. Keep out food with pests that destroy crops. Also maned by Calif. Highway Patrol! Not an ICE thing.
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." The "liberals" - socialistic dictators - obviously do not believe or accept that. Nor do they believe in free speech, etc. A very sad time.
The Shoer 27979 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 55 minutes ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said: Boarder check point is California operated. Keep out food with pests that destroy crops. Also maned by Calif. Highway Patrol! Not an ICE thing. Ike it is not the CHP it is the California department of agriculture that man's that station and most of them just ask questions, I go through there everyday 5 days a week
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 OK, it's not who runs it. It is a California check point, not Federal. They could easily staff it with CHP, Agri people or a hi-bred that can monitor both food and ammo is what I was trying to say. For me its not that far fetched! Ike
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 The law prohibits California resident from bringing ammo that they purchased out of state back in. If I leave California for EOT with my ammo and bring back what I don’t use, I’m not breaking the law. If someone from out of state brings ammo here for their own use, they aren’t breaking the law. And if a person were to get caught buying ammo out of state and bringing it in, (they would have to prove where it was purchased as this is still the USA), the punishment is an infraction with a $100 fine. This sucks, and it is dumb, but it’s not the end of the world. I’m supposed some of you ever leave your homes with as much as you worry.
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Smokestack SASS#87384 said: The law prohibits California resident from bringing ammo that they purchased out of state back in. If I leave California for EOT with my ammo and bring back what I don’t use, I’m not breaking the law. If someone from out of state brings ammo here for their own use, they aren’t breaking the law. And if a person were to get caught buying ammo out of state and bringing it in, (they would have to prove where it was purchased as this is still the USA), the punishment is an infraction with a $100 fine. This sucks, and it is dumb, but it’s not the end of the world. I’m supposed some of you ever leave your homes with as much as you worry. Good info. Do you have a reference for the $100 fine?
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 said: Good info. Do you have a reference for the $100 fine? I’ll see if I can dig it up.
LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, Smokestack SASS#87384 said: The law prohibits California resident from bringing ammo that they purchased out of state back in. If I leave California for EOT with my ammo and bring back what I don’t use, I’m not breaking the law. If someone from out of state brings ammo here for their own use, they aren’t breaking the law. And if a person were to get caught buying ammo out of state and bringing it in, (they would have to prove where it was purchased as this is still the USA), the punishment is an infraction with a $100 fine. This sucks, and it is dumb, but it’s not the end of the world. I’m supposed some of you ever leave your homes with as much as you worry. Unfortunately, for some of us, I suspect a conviction of that type would negate some needed security clearances for employment. I've known of individuals denied employment in law enforcement because of firearms related convictions.
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L said: Unfortunately, for some of us, I suspect a conviction of that type would negate some needed security clearances for employment. I've known of individuals denied employment in law enforcement because of firearms related convictions. I am not even almost suggesting that anyone break the law. Just pointing out that you won’t do 20 years in prison if you erroneously got convicted.
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 said: I think I will shoot elsewhere. I think I will stay in Arizona.
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Smokestack SASS#87384 said: I’ll see if I can dig it up. PLZ do-My search 'foo', is worst than my shoot'n......... OLG
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