Subdeacon Joe Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Can you spot it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Yep Of all the people in the Saloon, I would be surprised if you didn't catch this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Yup---Load going into cannon backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex M Rugers #6621 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Looks like the guy with the load is fixing to put it in the barrel backwards. But then , I'm not too familiar with cannon. Rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Load looks backwards to me Imis who only loaded tanks, not real guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 The officer (whatever he is)is pointing to the guy ready to load the cannon. The guy loading is looking at him. The officer is saying, "You idiot, turn it around"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Spotted it right away...I guess I am in good company. None of us here would make that mistake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Maybe the loader just didn't like the gunner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 It's not just the reporters. Sometimes the gun makers themselves get confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 22 minutes ago, Ramblin Gambler said: It's not just the reporters. Sometimes the gun makers themselves get confused. I'll bet that the HK image is the product of some marketing folks, not gun people; marketing people are very close to "reporters". LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Am I correct, that when this type of cannon goes off, it violently bucks to the rear? If this is indeed what happens, then the soldier preparing to light the charge, has his hand on one of the spokes of the cannon wheel. Assuming this is not a good idea, as his hand would get mauled when that wheel spins backward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Not defending reporters (because most don't know crap when they see it), but this seems to me to be the artist of the picture screwup! Just sayin................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I suspect the artist did it on purpose. He has too many other little details correct. He was just having fun. My 15mm French Foot Battery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Willie Nelson Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 will it shoot backwards? 55 minutes ago, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said: Am I correct, that when this type of cannon goes off, it violently bucks to the rear? If this is indeed what happens, then the soldier preparing to light the charge, has his hand on one of the spokes of the cannon wheel. free ride... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 58 minutes ago, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said: Am I correct, that when this type of cannon goes off, it violently bucks to the rear? If this is indeed what happens, then the soldier preparing to light the charge, has his hand on one of the spokes of the cannon wheel. Assuming this is not a good idea, as his hand would get mauled when that wheel spins backward? I believe that the first image shows the (I believe to be) Assistant Gunner is using a spike to rupture the powder bag prior to inserting the fuse or detonator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said: Am I correct, that when this type of cannon goes off, it violently bucks to the rear? If this is indeed what happens, then the soldier preparing to light the charge, has his hand on one of the spokes of the cannon wheel. Assuming this is not a good idea, as his hand would get mauled when that wheel spins backward? The fellow holding on to the wheel is preparing to punch a hole in the powder bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 As others have said, #3 is ready to prick and prime. As to the guns jumping back, the video posted shows that it isn't a sharp, sudden recoil. Easy to let go. However, once he had pricked the charge and inserted the quill he would step away from the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 said: I believe that the first image shows the (I believe to be) Assistant Gunner is using a spike to rupture the powder bag prior to inserting the fuse or detonator. And, if you look at the rear of the carriage, you will see a trooper moving the tongue and the Gunner is behind the cannon aiming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 7 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: "The load points that way, you idiot!!!" The dumbfounded look on the loader's face is just priceless. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: However, once he had pricked the charge and inserted the quill he would step away from the gun. "The quill"? The man between the officer and the guy aiming is holding a burning match on a pole. I assumed that once the guy with the spike punctured the bag, he'd just stick the match to the touchhole. What is this "quill" you mention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Nelson Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: None of us here would make that mistake... Speak for yourself. I use rimmed cartridges for a reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Alpo, the quill used to be made from the quill of a goose feather. The quill was cut to length, filled with fine powder, inserted thru the touchhole and into the chamber. The quill was lit, fire went down the quill into the chamber....BOOM! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Alpo said: "The quill"? The man between the officer and the guy aiming is holding a burning match on a pole. I assumed that once the guy with the spike punctured the bag, he'd just stick the match to the touchhole. What is this "quill" you mention? The Quill is a primer that is detonated with friction. It is inserted into the touch hole and attached to the lanyard. When the lanyard is pulled, friction activates it and ignites the powder in the pouch below, that was punched with the spike. An alternate method is to fill the touch hole with black powder and light it with a punk or burning cord. Either way, it is supposed to go BOOM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 different descriptions of a "quill", both correct. Goose quill early, friction igniter later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 When I attenden The U.S. Army's Comanche County Cannon Cockers College we loaded from the other end, it was a new thing at the time! Blackfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 said: The Quill is a primer that is detonated with friction. It is inserted into the touch hole and attached to the lanyard. When the lanyard is pulled, friction activates it and ignites the powder in the pouch below, that was punched with the spike. Not quite. What you described is a "friction primer." 2 hours ago, Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 said: An alternate method is to fill the touch hole with black powder and light it with a punk or burning cord. Either way, it is supposed to go BOOM! Passed the mid-1700s that was rarely done by field artillery. It had been replace by the quill. No more flask. No more wind blowing the powder off the top of the vent. Just: 4 hours ago, Alpo said: The man between the officer and the guy aiming is holding a burning match on a pole. touch the slow match on your Linstock and, if all the cannoneers have done their jobs properly, your piece discharges. Quills are almost as fast as friction primers. Reenactors make them in several ways. One is to use paper soda straws if you can find them. The other is to get old fashioned cellophane tape - not always easy - take a strip about 8 or 9 inches long, wrap it sticky-side out around a skewer, then roll it in FFFFg powder. Store it in a plastic soda straw. These cost about three or 4 cents to make, opposed to the over a dollar each for friction primers. 1 hour ago, BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 said: When I attenden The U.S. Army's Comanche County Cannon Cockers College we loaded from the other end, it was a new thing at the time! Just like metallic cartridges, a fancy new fad. It will never last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just to be a little picky, the bucket should be wider at the bottom than at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 So now we have big bucket bottoms in the game? Another off the cuff question; HOW COME THESE GUYS ARE DRESSED IN THEIR CLASS A UNIFORMS AND PLAYING WITH BLACK POWDER? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grampaw Willie, SASS No.26996 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 said: So now we have big bucket bottoms in the game? Another off the cuff question; HOW COME THESE GUYS ARE DRESSED IN THEIR CLASS A UNIFORMS AND PLAYING WITH BLACK POWDER? they are lending dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I learn something new every day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 53 minutes ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: I learn something new every day! Me too, Abilene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 said: Just to be a little picky, the bucket should be wider at the bottom than at the top. I thought those type were metal. All wood buckets I've ever seen were wider at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 said: So now we have big bucket bottoms in the game? Another off the cuff question; HOW COME THESE GUYS ARE DRESSED IN THEIR CLASS A UNIFORMS AND PLAYING WITH BLACK POWDER? 1. Because one can never be too well dressed before the enemy. After all, these artillerymen are part of the Imperial Guard. 2. The picture is illustrating the plastic soldiers inside .https://www.emodels.co.uk/zvezda-1-72-french-foot-artillery-1812-1814-8028-plastic-model-kit.html http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=965 3. The bucket bottoms are correct on the plastic soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I'm guessing wider at the bottom made them less prone to knocking over? A wet swab is pretty important to safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Wide bottom and narrow top helps keep the liquid inside the bucket when it is being carried. Especially when it is slung under the gun carriage. It also makes is more stable when the mop is inserted and removed during the heat of battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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