Alpo Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Thought about putting this on the Smith & Wesson board, but just like I only go to the Saloon (ACS) here, I only go to the lounge there, and if I posted this there some moderator would move it to the correct forum and I would never see the answer. Smith & Wesson automatics. Do they have a lock? Someone on a third board questioned why Smiths have locks and Colts don't, and as I was explaining that it occurred to me to wonder if they put them on the automatics. I don't do Smith and Wesson automatics, so I don't know. But I'm sure someone here will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangler Rich SASS #42157 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 None of mine do, but none of my revolvers do either. WR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I've never seen the lock feature on an S & W semi-auto. I know that some of them have a feature that if the magazine is not in the gun, it will not fire. Don't know what this feature is called though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Mag, safety , something that will get ya KILLED in a gun fight CB 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I haven’t seen an internal lock on an S&W semiauto. Now that you brought this up it makes the logic of having a lock on revolvers that much more ridiculous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 12 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: I know that some of them have a feature that if the magazine is not in the gun, it will not fire SOME of them? I thought that, except for their version of the 1911, all of their automatics had a magazine disconnect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 I was starting to wonder. I posted this question an hour ago, and after 30 minutes, 123 people had looked at it, but there were no responses. I was starting to think that I was not the only one that did not do Smith and Wesson automatics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 15 minutes ago, Alpo said: SOME of them? I thought that, except for their version of the 1911, all of their automatics had a magazine disconnect. I haven't handled all of the different S & W semi's, I can only speak of the ones I have handled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stump Water Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 15 minutes ago, Alpo said: I was starting to think that I was not the only one that did not do Smith and Wesson automatics. You're not. I have a S&W 1911, but other then that I don't do S&W autos. And from what I've seen over the years it a pretty big crowd. Gotta be pretty frustrating for an outfit like S&W to not be able to capture more of the SA market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 said: Mag, safety , something that will get ya KILLED in a gun fight CB Something I have removed or disabled on every semi-auto I have owned that had such a gadget....except a Model 51 Remington .32 acp. Never could figure that one out, but I never carried that collector's item anyhow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Someone must be buying them. I have shot their semiauto pocket pistols but none of their standard sized models. The same goes for Ruger and Springfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 There was one S&W auto back in the 90s built for export that had a lock, but I am not aware of any US specced ones that do [or did]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I have several M&P automatics, none have a lock or magazine disconnect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 I would like to have a 39-2. Why? To tell the truth, I have no damn idea. Single stack, 8 round, 9 mm, magazine disconnect, safety works backwards. But I'd still like to have one. The single stack eight rounds wouldn't bother me. I've got a VIS, and a Luger and a PSP and a P38 and a 1911 - all 9 mm, all 8 round single stacks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 2 minutes ago, Alpo said: I would like to have a 39-2. Why? To tell the truth, I have no damn idea. Single stack, 8 round, 9 mm, magazine disconnect, safety works backwards. But I'd still like to have one. The single stack eight rounds wouldn't bother me. I've got a VIS, and a Luger and a PSP and a P38 and a 1911 - all 9 mm, all 8 round single stacks. The 39s are some of the sweetest shooters you can imagine. You will love it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 My model 41 in .22lr has a mag disconnect. Dont know about the others. Imis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob, SASS #23113 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 The first generation on the M&P 9 and M&P 40 had an internal lock as an option. It used the same type of key as the revolvers. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 40 minutes ago, Silent Bob, SASS #23113 said: The first generation on the M&P 9 and M&P 40 had an internal lock as an option. It used the same type of key as the revolvers. That looks like where the safety goes, I wonder if it's just the safety with out the thumb lever but a key instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 said: That looks like where the safety goes, I wonder if it's just the safety with out the thumb lever but a key instead? Maybe not. This one appears to have both a thumb safety and a lock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Well apparently I was wrong, I have one of those , pulled it out and it's just like that. Looked it up found this: 15 INTERNAL KEY-OPERATED LOCK • Your M&P® 22 COMPACT pistol is equipped with an internal key operated lock (FIGURE 17). NOTE: The internal key operated lock is only accessible when the safety lever is up in the “SAFE” position. However that is a 22 much different than the center fire guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) S & W - M & P Sheild. Manual safety No lock No magazine disconnect (I physically tested it). Just noticed a spot of rust in the picture though. Edit - For some reason, I can't add a pic to this post from my cell phone. Edited June 14 by Cypress Sun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, Cypress Sun said: Just noticed a spot of rust in the picture though. Around the magazine release? A failure common to that model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 7 minutes ago, Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 said: Around the magazine release? A failure common to that model. No, I know about that spot, that's why I remove the mag release upon every cleaning for application of corrosion inhibitor. The spot I'm talking about is on a hollow pin behind the manual safety at the very top rear of the grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 4 hours ago, Cypress Sun said: S & W - M & P Sheild. Manual safety No lock No magazine disconnect (I physically tested it). Just noticed a spot of rust in the picture though. Edit - For some reason, I can't add a pic to this post from my cell phone. Years ago, a salesman told me the only Shield models with magazine disconnects were the California models. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 I Sent an email to the S&W team asking why the new 1854 lever gun was designed to hold only nine rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 I don't do anything Smith & Wesson, for the same reason I don't do Chevy. Both are the most handsome to look at, but I don't want to own either one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLFY Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 (edited) The S&W key lock was a move by the company to appease the clinton white house (which was super anti 2A at that time). Many shooters loathed S&Ws “sleeping w the enemy” and swore off the brand. Sorry, I couldn’t avoid commenting. Alpo, how does your Colt 9mm 1911 only have an 8 shot mag? All my 9mm Colt magazines hold 9. Edited August 26 by WOLFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 My M&P Compact .22 has the internal lock. My new M&P 2.0 'COMPETITOR' model does not have the lock, nor does it have the magazine safety disconnect. ..........Widder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 On 6/14/2024 at 10:03 AM, Alpo said: I would like to have a 39-2. Why? To tell the truth, I have no damn idea. Single stack, 8 round, 9 mm, magazine disconnect, safety works backwards. But I'd still like to have one. The single stack eight rounds wouldn't bother me. I've got a VIS, and a Luger and a PSP and a P38 and a 1911 - all 9 mm, all 8 round single stacks. Alpo, if you want a nice single stack 9mm, look for a Star Firestar M43. It's a small frame, about like a Officers ACP, 7 shot, single action semi auto. Compact enough to conceal, but heavy enough tha recoil is easy. I carry mine in a lockbox under the driver's seat of my Jeep along with 2 spare magazines. Forty Rod has one too and he just loves it. They're fairly inexpensive, most times selling for about $400. Magazines aren't cheap though, but are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 On 6/14/2024 at 6:58 AM, Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 said: Mag, safety , something that will get ya KILLED in a gun fight CB The first thing I do when I get a new semi auto pistol is the remove that stupid thing (if the gun has one). It usually makes the gun easier to operate and to feel smoother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 (edited) I’m getting a S&W Victory model .22,cal. today I’ll let you know……. Looks like it does though https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/sw22-victory Edited August 26 by Rye Miles #13621 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Graybeard Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 Rye...I don't know about the regular Victory...but the Performance Center Victory I have handled...is the biggest piece of crap I have had the misfortune of handling. It is a friend of mines weapon...and he is going to send it back. A left handed person cannot use it at all. The oversize mag release is very light and when I go to fire it...my trigger finger bumps..(touches) it and the mag falls out...or if you lay it on that side...mag pops out. The threaded bushing the screw in front of the trigger guard goes into was loose from the factory...very inaccurate that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Old Man Graybeard said: Rye...I don't know about the regular Victory...but the Performance Center Victory I have handled...is the biggest piece of crap I have had the misfortune of handling. It is a friend of mines weapon...and he is going to send it back. A left handed person cannot use it at all. The oversize mag release is very light and when I go to fire it...my trigger finger bumps..(touches) it and the mag falls out...or if you lay it on that side...mag pops out. The threaded bushing the screw in front of the trigger guard goes into was loose from the factory...very inaccurate that way. My friend has several Victory's including the Performance Center one. He has no problems with any of them. Maybe it was a lemon, it does happen you know. This guy loves it, scroll down to the review. https://www.pewpewtactical.com/smith-wesson-sw22-victory-pistol-review/ Edited August 26 by Rye Miles #13621 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 On 6/14/2024 at 9:58 AM, Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 said: Mag, safety , something that will get ya KILLED in a gun fight CB Or something that will save your life in a gun grab or scuffle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 (edited) RYE, A shooting pard of mine has a couple of them. To me, it was o.k., but he liked it enough to modify them with some Tandimcross parts and now he loves them. BUT, we both also have Ruger MKIV's (a few of them) and are modified with Volquartsen parts.....ala The Scorpion and Black Mamba. They are tops. I even have a late 60's/early 70's S&W model 41, which is probably one of the finest .22 auto pistols ever made (in my opinion). Its as reliable as the Volquartsen's, but not as accurate. The Volquartsens have good accuracy with most of the store bought stuff like Federal 'black box bulk' and CCI mini mag HP. Ironically, my S&W model 41 has the best accuracy with CCI Stingers. ..........Widder Edited August 27 by Widder, SASS #59054 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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