Gracos Kid Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Interesting read that could effect us ..... Not for argument, but to inform.... Bullet Control: Proposal in Congress to Outlaw 'Bulk' Ammo Sales, Mandate Background Checks :: Guns.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Sackett Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Sounds like New York State….. Glad I moved out of there….. Sam Sackett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 It figures and they even came up with a catchy acronym. What’s cool or maybe not cool, snowflakes typing “AMMO” into a search will see many internet sites selling ammo. That’ll get their wittle bwains huhting dem sumting fewce. From the article: The Ammunition Modernization and Monitoring Oversight (AMMO) Act, introduced in the Senate by U.S. Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), and in the House by U.S. Reps. Robert Garcia (D-Calif.) and Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.), would adopt a very California-like bullet control regime on a national basis. Just another incursion into American’s (not them above) rights under the 2nd Amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 It is ironic that Wasserman Shultz, the Jewish socialist Democrat from Florida, wants to regulate ammo...and thereby firearms, after her own people were massacred by terrorist because they were UNARMED by law. Just shows the depth of the money being funneled to the anti-gun politicians by socialist left wingers like Bloomberg and Soros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Just more BS aimed at controlling people. Need that like we need a mumps epidemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 It's a major pain here in california. Hell... if you're visiting from out of state, you better bring your own - you cannot legally buy it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Hmmm…..all demonrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 37 minutes ago, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said: No offense meant, but I am getting sick of hearing / seeing this lame logic. There should be no reason for an ammo shortage due to government manipulation. That’s tyranny and that is in violation of the Second Amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: No offense meant, but I am getting sick of hearing / seeing this lame logic. There should be no reason for an ammo shortage due to government manipulation. That’s tyranny and that is in violation of the Second Amendment. None taken. Maybe this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungadin Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 They just get more and more infantile. License and background check 3D printers Ammo Background checks, hey it is part of the equation, after all guns don't kill bullets do Lead bans Powder limits and storage requirements You have to be a FFL to sell your own gun, if you make enough $ and we'll tell you what is enough.... I can still give it away right? Next Lead as a controlled substance, not pot or Fentanyl Reloading equipment background checks licensing for bullet molds What will the liberals put people in jail for besides election violations and non usage gun related issues? And every move makes protecting yourself more expensive and difficult for the people that need it the most, the constituency they claim to care about. The ones that get less policing than us rich white folk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Gungadin said: They just get more and more infantile. License and background check 3D printers Ammo Background checks, hey it is part of the equation, after all guns don't kill bullets do Lead bans Powder limits and storage requirements You have to be a FFL to sell your own gun, if you make enough $ and we'll tell you what is enough.... I can still give it away right? Next Lead as a controlled substance, not pot or Fentanyl Reloading equipment background checks licensing for bullet molds What will the liberals put people in jail for besides election violations and non usage gun related issues? And every move makes protecting yourself more expensive and difficult for the people that need it the most, the constituency they claim to care about. The ones that get less policing than us rich white folk? Excellent points. It’s my opinion that want to live like a version of the USSR. The powerful have the means while they control the populace for their own entertainment and egos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Congress Critters propose bills all the time, sometimes even knowing the bill will go nowhere. Bobby Rush (D-IL) routinely proposes a bill to ban all handguns. The bill never goes anywhere. I doubt that this stupid bill will probably die in committee in the House and IF it comes to a vote in the Senate, they may not even have the votes there. Manchin, Testor, King are all likely to vote against this and there may be a couple of more Democrat Senators that won't vote for this. The half wits who proposed this probably know the bill won't go anywhere, they can go back to their constituents and donors and say they tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Here in Kansas at the Sheels and Cabela's I have visited of late ammo is abundant. All calibers, decent pricing. No one seems to be buying. Even LPPs can be found for $70/1000. A guy can buy all he wants now. Who knows how long that will last... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 What is defined as 'bulk', in this bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 A few years ago I pointed out to a "Let's just ban bullets because they aren't "arms"" type that, using that logic we can ban ink and type to fight printed child pornography because the First Amendment is about freedom of the PRESS, not ink or type. Only the press itself is mentioned. Got the usual sputter and "That's not what it means!" BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Pat Riot said: No offense meant, but I am getting sick of hearing / seeing this lame logic. There should be no reason for an ammo shortage due to government manipulation. That’s tyranny and that is in violation of the Second Amendment. 1 hour ago, Pat Riot said: No offense meant, but I am getting sick of hearing / seeing this lame logic. There should be no reason for an ammo shortage due to government manipulation. That’s tyranny and that is in violation of the Second Amendment. Yes it is, but that doesn't seem to matter to the left wing politicians (and too often others as well) who have been violating the Constitution since it was written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 10 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: It's a major pain here in california. Hell... if you're visiting from out of state, you better bring your own - you cannot legally buy it here. Stop in NV first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 hours ago, bgavin said: Stop in NV first. Don’t go to CA. I really can’t say much about that. I am flying to Orange County for Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 5 hours ago, Chantry said: Congress Critters propose bills all the time, sometimes even knowing the bill will go nowhere. Bobby Rush (D-IL) routinely proposes a bill to ban all handguns. The bill never goes anywhere. I doubt that this stupid bill will probably die in committee in the House and IF it comes to a vote in the Senate, they may not even have the votes there. Manchin, Testor, King are all likely to vote against this and there may be a couple of more Democrat Senators that won't vote for this. The half wits who proposed this probably know the bill won't go anywhere, they can go back to their constituents and donors and say they tried. But what if it does pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungadin Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 8 hours ago, Chantry said: Congress Critters propose bills all the time, sometimes even knowing the bill will go nowhere. Bobby Rush (D-IL) routinely proposes a bill to ban all handguns. The bill never goes anywhere. I doubt that this stupid bill will probably die in committee in the House and IF it comes to a vote in the Senate, they may not even have the votes there. Manchin, Testor, King are all likely to vote against this and there may be a couple of more Democrat Senators that won't vote for this. The half wits who proposed this probably know the bill won't go anywhere, they can go back to their constituents and donors and say they tried. You are right, often it is a media stunt or the next election cycle they can claim they proposed a bill to make all people nice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said: But what if it does pass? Worry about that if it makes out of committee and goes for a vote. IF it passes hope for a court to strike it down. I know for damn sure every single Congress Critter in CT is all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, Chantry said: Worry about that if it makes out of committee and goes for a vote. IF it passes hope for a court to strike it down. I know for damn sure every single Congress Critter in CT is all for it. Worry should start the minute it even comes up. To many are voting because of favors given and received if you promise to vote their way. Do you really believe a politician works for the people. Politicians no longer worry about re elections, nor the NRA, and those that have moved out of Blue States have intermingled and weakened the Red States because they have been indoctrinated and billions are coming from anti gun people. How many ever thought that a country such as Australia would fall? As long as we wait and stay silent, it creeps in, until its so big we can no longer do anything about it. Just remember, these new people we elect have been indoctrinated in grade school up ward and Law School like Harvard has seen many of theirs go into politics and judges who don't uphold the laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Sooner or later if these laws keep getting passed, I and a bunch of us are just going to have to get our FFLs and become retailers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 How does this work with reloading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Probably badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said: Do you really believe a politician works for the people. Of course not and that applies to both parties. However this isn't the first time and it's definitely not the last time a bill is going to be proposed that we don't like. Get used to it, the Bruen ruling has led to both sides slinging poo at the walls to see what will and what will not stick. The fall out from Bruen will last for years as the courts decide where the lines are: what can be banned, what should not have been banned, what is the threshold for a person to be disqualified from owning gun and probably more I haven't thought of. I can see a case in the future where a court rules the NFA Act of 1934 is constitutional, but the Hughes Amendment to the FOPA law of 1986 is un-constitutional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buckshot Bear said: How does this work with reloading? They have not thought that far and I hate to provide a hint. But when the technology comes available, cases and bullets will require micro-stamps. It would be another angle to attempt to regulate parts which are not within the current law. But there is no way to micro-stamp powder and powder does not require bullets and casings... When, oh when, will they finally focus on the criminals rather than interfering with law-abiding citizens? The proposed legislation calls for micro-stamping cartridges when the technology comes available. Besides the actual stamping, this will require a manufacturer to track every cartridge into every box and the supply chain will need to track this information all the way to the first retail purchaser. This will increase costs significantly! And since it will not stop a criminal, it serves no legitimate public purpose, And such a requirement is expressly disallowed as a criterion post-Bruen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Honestly for the average crim, they'd never use a single box in their entire criminal career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I had a thought today when shopping for bullets at Bass Pro. Do ya think maybe the Chinese is pressing their American comrades to do more to try and disarm Americans so their invasion will go a little easier in a few years? I didn’t say it was a good or bad thought. It was just a somewhat humorous but scary thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Ya know, if these commie bastages are gonna invade I hope they do it before I am too stove up to help out punching holes in little red stars on green helmets… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall Tale Todd Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said: But what if it does pass? Then we fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 29 minutes ago, Tall Tale Todd said: Then we fight. Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 15 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: What is defined as 'bulk', in this bill? "more than 100 rounds of .50 caliber ammunition or more than 1,000 rounds of any other caliber of ammunition in any period of five consecutive days." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 6 hours ago, John Kloehr said: Sooner or later if these laws keep getting passed, I and a bunch of us are just going to have to get our FFLs and become retailers. Those have been targeted too. They're getting revoked at an unprecedented rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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