Make do Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 I have noticed that the rule book talks about double cocking (dc) vs. single cocking (sc), with stating sc is faster. Is it true? I currently dc and have been encouraged to change to sc. This is what I have noticed about the two styles from videos. 1. Most sc seem to cock the second pistol after the first is fired - so they are spending time with two cocking actions. The really fast ones have the second pistol cocked during the time the first one is being aimed and fired. So, a dc is only spending one time for two pistols being cocked which in theory should be as fast as the faster single cockers. 2. The sc I have observed for the most part when there is a change in direction seem to have to cross over the pistols. Whereas a dc can switch direction by just starting with the pistol in line with the target saving a bit of time. Example would be 3 targets sweeping down and back for ten rounds. This crossing over by sc seems to slow them down a bit. I have not been able to watch on video a really fast gun fighter on how they handle a change in direction. 3. A disadvantage I have seen for dc is the shots can happen so close together that they are called for two shots at once. Even the fastest sc don't seem to get this call. 4. From what I can tell many sc cock both pistols coming out of the holsters 5. So, what am I missing that makes sc faster than dc other than the really fast gunfighters are sc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Shapiro Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Depends on the shooter, depends on what you practice. There is no right answer to this question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 I agree with Doc. If you are proficient with a particular technique, then practice it and perfect it for YOUR usage. Your #3 is misleading. A really fast SC can double up on a discharge. Its been done..... and I got it on video. 10 shots on steel in 1.79 seconds..... but shots 7 & 8 from the Left and Right pistols discharged simultaneously. Actually, the 10 shots only took about 1.35 seconds. The rest of the time was the draw from holsters. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Mars Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 If one is faster than the other, I have no idea. Bobcat Brian and others are incredibly fast as a single pistol cocker. One issue with cocking both at the same time are split pistol stages and habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 PLUS ONE for ALL OF THE ABOVE. The real hazard to Double Cocking if if you have split pistols and or have to move after the first five. Double Cocking is is very easy to end your first five, have to move, and have a Cocked pistol in your hand. You can't move with a cocked pistol which results in a "P" in the very least. Most skilled Gunfighters (myself included) are cocking the next gun while firing the leading gun. Most of us (myself included only Double Cock coming out of the holsters. However, FIRST learned is BEST remembered. Once you spend time and practice with one method or the other, changing becomes very difficult. There is only ONE real MANTRA. SPEED only comes from lots of PRACTICE. Neither method is naturally faster than the other. So PRACTICE Padawan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possum Skinner, SASS#60697 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Bad River Marty is an excellent example of a very fast double-cocker. T-Bone used to do it. One way for dc’ers to handle split pistol is to cock and fire one pistol then do two pairs. That said, single-cocking is my preferred method. However, it is not the only way to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 6 hours ago, Make do said: ...have noticed that the rule book talks about double cocking (dc) vs. single cocking (sc), with stating sc is faster. Is it true? Where exactly is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Make do Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 Your right the handbook refers to alternating pistols for shooting, I took that to mean single cocking instead of double cocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mean gun mark Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Make do said: Your right the handbook refers to alternating pistols for shooting, I took that to mean single cocking instead of double cocking There is no rule which states the pistols must alternate either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT. ELI 35882 GUNFIGHTER Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 It's whatever you're comfortable with. I prefer the rhythm of single cocking. One of the fastest gunfighters around singles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Ethan # 94321 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Here is a link to a 2017 post on this subject. Buck D Law post an excellent explanation of what most of the faster gunfighter's do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 I am an average GF-er and now, shooting B Western, shoot GF only about a third of the stages. I shoot left gun first as much as possible but will change leads up to twice per stage, like shooting a Nevada sweep. I left the gun roll in recoil, catch the trigger with my thumb and cock the hammer by closing my ring finger, bringing the sights back in line with my eyes. I do not worry about double or single cocking; I just grab the hammer when the gun rolls back. As an average cowboy, I can shoot a Naveda sweep in 4.2 (others are much faster). This method works if the recoil is sufficient. My .45 Vaqueros is easy to use. I gave to shoot 100 gr bullets at 900 fps in my Ruger .32 birdshead to get the small roll. Ruger .38s have never rolled enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Bud Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 I think Doc Shapiro pretty much nailed it down, there is no right answer to the question and it more depends on the shooter. However, the fastest I've seen in a speed pistol match was indeed a double cocker, very impressive to watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 39 minutes ago, Bison Bud said: I think Doc Shapiro pretty much nailed it down, there is no right answer to the question and it more depends on the shooter. However, the fastest I've seen in a speed pistol match was indeed a double cocker, very impressive to watch! Agree. The fastest I've seen in a speed pistol match was Bad River Marty..... who is a double cocker. He's got a rare gift of shooting those pistols fast and accurate. Lassiter is basically an alternating style shooter and he's dang fast also. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null N. Void Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 I’m not shooting GF anymore because of a back problem. When I was shooting it, I double cocked. The advantage I had with it is that I learned to easily switch leads so I never had to cross pistols. I could never alternate. My thumbs always worked together. There are great GFs in both styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil dogooder Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Unfortunately im relearning how to cock due to a recent surgery. Way slower than I used to be. There really isn't a reason right answer. Your body, your hands, your mind. I'm much faster alternating. Sub 3 seconds from holsters is the pretty much norm for most sweeps I run, when I can go all out, sub 2 is not that hard. I can name about half a dozen who can do it as well. Just remember it's not about how fast you can shoot but how fast spotters can keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackaroo, # 29989 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 On 9/18/2022 at 8:09 AM, Make do said: I have noticed that the rule book talks about double cocking (dc) vs. single cocking (sc), with stating sc is faster. Is it true? I currently dc and have been encouraged to change to sc. This is what I have noticed about the two styles from videos. 1. Most sc seem to cock the second pistol after the first is fired - so they are spending time with two cocking actions. The really fast ones have the second pistol cocked during the time the first one is being aimed and fired. So, a dc is only spending one time for two pistols being cocked which in theory should be as fast as the faster single cockers. 2. The sc I have observed for the most part when there is a change in direction seem to have to cross over the pistols. Whereas a dc can switch direction by just starting with the pistol in line with the target saving a bit of time. Example would be 3 targets sweeping down and back for ten rounds. This crossing over by sc seems to slow them down a bit. I have not been able to watch on video a really fast gun fighter on how they handle a change in direction. 3. A disadvantage I have seen for dc is the shots can happen so close together that they are called for two shots at once. Even the fastest sc don't seem to get this call. 4. From what I can tell many sc cock both pistols coming out of the holsters 5. So, what am I missing that makes sc faster than dc other than the really fast gunfighters are sc? 4. From what I can tell many sc cock both pistols coming out of the holsters If you cock before you have the gun at 45 degs that's illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null N. Void Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Regardless of style, it’s pull, rotate, and then cock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fretless Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Null N. Void said: rotate Can you explain "rotate" for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null N. Void Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Fretless said: Can you explain "rotate" for me? Revolver comes out of holster pointed down. One then rotates the revolver past 45 degrees down range with wrist action and then proceeds to cock the revolver with the thumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancy Shot, SASS #67163 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 I shoot FCGF by Double Cocking and do it well enough I do it out in public where people can see. Most GF's that beat me are Single Cocking. I've tried to switch, but it ain't happening. Chancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 For people that shoot BP as gunfighters do you see any advantage double cocking vs single cocking. Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Sadie Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 It’s what you practice. As for split pistols, with double cocking, I don’t see how that would be a disadvantage over single cocking; guess it depends on how you handle the split pistols. What I do (if moving left to right on the stage) is cock my left pistol first, then double cocking for four shots (hammers are both down). Move, then shoot my right pistol first, then double cock for four shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Shamrock Sadie said: It’s what you practice. As for split pistols, with double cocking, I don’t see how that would be a disadvantage over single cocking; guess it depends on how you handle the split pistols. What I do (if moving left to right on the stage) is cock my left pistol first, then double cocking for four shots (hammers are both down). Move, then shoot my right pistol first, then double cock for four shots. Shamrock Sadie gives good advice for DC type Gunfighters. I alternate. I alternate nearly 99.9% of the time and rarely do a lead change. For split pistol stages, I COUNT .... 1, 2, 3. 4, Don't Cock. This 'Mental' sequence helps keep me from cocking for that 6th round. This is only ONE way to handle various GF scenarios. As mentioned above, you need to find YOUR STYLE, your mental approach, your capability in order to successfully shoot GF....... 'Your Way'. Good luck. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possum Skinner, SASS#60697 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 21 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: I alternate. I alternate nearly 99.9% of the time and rarely do a lead change. For split pistol stages, I COUNT .... 1, 2, 3. 4, Don't Cock. This 'Mental' sequence helps keep me from cocking for that 6th round. ..........Widder That’s exactly what I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Sheridan Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I prefer to SC and alternate as it allows my sequence and cadence to be the same with the pistols as the rifle the majority of the time. If it’s a split pistol stage I just run all 5 from one pistol then 5 from the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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